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Apple's iPhone Specs and Requirements
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All this insurance talk and no mention of the most obvious scenario:
Applecare.
Not exactly the same thing, but it should take care of everything save for accidental physical damage. So how long will 2-year applecare on an iPhone go for?
Applecare.
Not exactly the same thing, but it should take care of everything save for accidental physical damage. So how long will 2-year applecare on an iPhone go for?
I don't think you understand how hardware works. His point is that the iPhone does not have the hardware to work in a CDMA network. It is IMPOSSIBLE. Do you have ADD by any chance? You seem to either have a hard time understanding what several forum members have already said or you are simply ignoring the facts. CDMA is a dead end technology with only limited popularity in North America and Japan whereas GSM is available everywhere.What's your point... it will be done
The moon people the moon and back again with no major problems... we can hack a phone... if they can't... then I will wait for the beta testing to be over to get the real iPhone that works with other service providers and has 3rd party software and such...
Can't wait to use my Sprint iPhone 5.0 with iWork and iLife Mobile, and .MacMobile
Sorry to call the FUD here, but maybe you should go learn something about cell phones before you go spouting off.
T-Mobile and AT&T don't make phones, they sell service. The phone will work on any network that meets radio specifications and your carrier has roaming agreements with. And most have agreements with any others so they can have much larger coverage than their own owned network.
Motorola makes different phones for different regions, but they don't make a different one for every country. They make 2-3 models, and these models many times have two frequencies in common with another model. Do you know T-Mobile often sells the "European" version of their phones to U.S. customers? That's Because the European versions support 1900mhz, which T-Mobile needs, and that way they don't have to buy a bunch of the "American Market" handsets like Cingular does. Cingular has to get handsets made for its market because the European ones support 900mhz instead of the 850mhz they need. This is why the Sony Ericsson T610 was available in the U.S., and to T-Mobile subs, before it was available to Cingular customers (as the T616). The T616 did not yet exist at the time the 610 came out. But the T616 also supported 1900mhz, so you could get the phone on Cingular and then move to T-Mobile (or the old AT&T Wireless, which also used 1900mhz). But you couldn't do the same thing with the T-Mobile 610s, since they had lacked support for Cingular's frequency.
The iPhone is a quad-band phone, also called a "World Phone" because it covers frequencies used by major carriers around the world. Cingular uses 850mhz, T-Mobile uses 1900mhz. The iPhone covers both among its four. Therefore if you put a T-Mobile SIM into an iPhone, barring any special "network locking" which will be defeated within a week of the iPhone's release it will work. In fact, I seem to remember hearing that Apple was not going to do network locking on the iPhone.
Crazy thing I just found out the other day: You can take a pre-paid T-Mobile Phone, plug a regular subscriber T-Mobile SIM into it, and it works. Many carriers epoxy the prepaid SIMs in or find some other way of restricting the phone to pre-paid use only in those cases (since getting contract extensions for phone upgrades is what they want, and the prepaid phones are sold so cheaply).
And, uh, what was their source for this?
I laugh when I see that sort of thing. How often do you show photos to complete strangers when you're away from home?
And my single response is, thank god!
though, i wouldn't marry someone who would care where i spent money
At least two people actually mocked a guy for consulting his wife about a decent-sized purchase.
And people wonder why the divorce rate is sky-high these days. Holy cow.
Something tells me both of those guys will be giving up half of everything they own to some exasperated woman
wanna bet.
Maybe this has been gone over before in other threads, but how does the guy in the commercial find the nearest Seafood place? There's no GPS mentioned. Do you have to enter your location, or is it using the tower ID?
Having to key in your location would kill the utility of an app like that.
Having to key in your location would kill the utility of an app like that.
Mmmm... 120GB iPod...
Mmmm... Geek-chicks...
Off topic, but too outrageous to pass up
And in what circumstances would a woman share a home and a life with you not care where you spent money that (supposedly) supports the both of you? I think you're naive or terribly immature.
And in what circumstances would a woman share a home and a life with you not care where you spent money that (supposedly) supports the both of you? I think you're naive or terribly immature.
Other phones which play movies and music may suck at doing so, but they are stellar as a phone.
This thing is 1st a gadget, 2nd a toy, and a phone added just for the suckers willing to sign up for 2 yrs paying some extraordinary monthly plan just to ensure the highly touted features of it.
Years of development and resources wasted on something that is not going to change the industry, market, or the world. By now we could have had an ipod with a few of the same features at a one time price along with a new operating system for the computers.
Must be using a different Cinulatt than me...
...because I have more than once walked into a cingulatt store and bought a phone without a contract...it's called "I'm a Cingular customer...here is some money...thanks."
Have a look at the advertising, and apple and att's websites...even the fine print.
There is no talk about a two year contract requirement any longer, which makes sense because:
1. att has clearly stated that there are *no subsidies* on this product. There is no "discount" for a two year commitment, so it would be really rather pointless.
2. This phone is being marketed in a different way, almost as a pure CE device.
3. The profits are up front for both att and apple; any money att gets from whatever phone service one gets with it is "free money" to them. You get a GoPhone/Pay-as-you go...even better. They have a 5-year agreement with Apple on this, there is no OEM model to speak of. The business model is different from pretty much any other phone out there.
4. if they continued to run ads stating there was a two year requirement when there wasn't, or vise versa, it would be a legal quagmire.
A lot of folks are so twisted by this thing that common sense seems to have escaped them. The phone is 499 or 599...you buy phone service. Pretty simple.
Now, while I remember this was the original plan, someone must have did some thinking and realized that "money is money" and there was no *need* to "lock in" anyone (since by law phones *must be unlocked now* at customer request, anyway) since it has core features that are locked to att's network and, if news from last week is to be believed, apple's own back-end hardware in att's phone network.
Add on the fact that contractually none of cingulatt's competitors have a shot at the thing for 5 years anyway, and its a business logic no-brainer; Apple and ATT stand to get more sales if the 2-year requirement (on a unsubsidized phone) was dropped.
or as my teenage son would say:
"Um, Dad? Derrrrr."
...because I have more than once walked into a cingulatt store and bought a phone without a contract...it's called "I'm a Cingular customer...here is some money...thanks."
Have a look at the advertising, and apple and att's websites...even the fine print.
There is no talk about a two year contract requirement any longer, which makes sense because:
1. att has clearly stated that there are *no subsidies* on this product. There is no "discount" for a two year commitment, so it would be really rather pointless.
2. This phone is being marketed in a different way, almost as a pure CE device.
3. The profits are up front for both att and apple; any money att gets from whatever phone service one gets with it is "free money" to them. You get a GoPhone/Pay-as-you go...even better. They have a 5-year agreement with Apple on this, there is no OEM model to speak of. The business model is different from pretty much any other phone out there.
4. if they continued to run ads stating there was a two year requirement when there wasn't, or vise versa, it would be a legal quagmire.
A lot of folks are so twisted by this thing that common sense seems to have escaped them. The phone is 499 or 599...you buy phone service. Pretty simple.
Now, while I remember this was the original plan, someone must have did some thinking and realized that "money is money" and there was no *need* to "lock in" anyone (since by law phones *must be unlocked now* at customer request, anyway) since it has core features that are locked to att's network and, if news from last week is to be believed, apple's own back-end hardware in att's phone network.
Add on the fact that contractually none of cingulatt's competitors have a shot at the thing for 5 years anyway, and its a business logic no-brainer; Apple and ATT stand to get more sales if the 2-year requirement (on a unsubsidized phone) was dropped.
or as my teenage son would say:
"Um, Dad? Derrrrr."
It's just a joke... there has been too many iPhone this and that threads... we understand already but it was just a joke.
Um, Okay... I guess???
AT&T/Cingular didn't sign up just to get the phone into a customers hands and then just not have service. Guaranteed payment by tying someone into a contract would be more plausible for them as a business.
Trust me, tehy didn't write on EVERY commercial "with 2 yr activation" only to decide a day later to change their mind on how the service will be distributed. Especially only weeks away from release. Plans, services, everything is all set in place and finalized, they just have not been released.
There will be a 2 yr contract, and taking it out of the commercial is Apple's attempt to lessen the criticism for the contract before the item releases. It would hurt the hype, and to be honest, thats all the device has got. An underhanded tactic if you ask me.
Marriage doesn't make someone a *****, it just reveals the inner ***** that was already there.
I can't understand this logic. Yes there's a bigger outlay of money intially, but you can bet the phone plan's will be roughly the same. So, you're going to wait 60 months just to see what Apple will do to save a few bucks?? In 60 months, the phone will have cost you just about 33¢ a day to own. Certainly the experience they're creating now is worth that. That doesn't include your phone bill but that cost is offset by what you'll spend on a bill with another company.
I don't see it, really.
I'm not getting one, but only because it's just too much phone for me. I call the wife and a few other places. I work from home so I surf internet and get email on my 23" Display. I just don't need on a regular basis this kind of gadget for the sake of having it.
JGowan said:
I said a video camera, sport. Great reading skills you got there.
I don't understand why a mobile device needs wireless "N" speeds?
What are you transfering back and forth that requires that kind of speed?
I can't wait for the iphone. After using a BB 8700r, and Nokia e61, the iphone looks like the best of both + ipod.
Nokia's s60 platform sucks. Slow, out of memory issues and a terrible UI.
If you need to get a sense of the size, goto a cell store and pickup a e61i or e62, Size and weight are very similiar.
4.6x2.8x0.5 in.
Are you serious???@?!1
Oh?
Didja miss the part about "the money is upfront" and "5 year exclusive" and "they make more on Pay-as-you-go" and "more sales" and "new business model"?
TRUST ME...there is NO INDICATION anywhere any longer...the advertising, ATT or Apple that is is a requirement any longer. Nowhere. Not in the fine print...nowhere. Not in store...not online...not in broadcast...nowhere.
I mean dude, for 5.x months up until 24 hours after the release date this was the case...now, nowhere to be found.
Are you...high?
This thing has been all over everywhere since January; the criticism has been there from Day Zero. "Hurt the hype?"
What? Wait. I get it.
You aren't a Cingulatt customer...that's what that little rant is all about, isn't it
We'll see. If in 20 days, ATT requires a two year contract to *buy* the phone, I will come back here and digitally prostrate myself before you.
Promise.
Didja miss the part about "the money is upfront" and "5 year exclusive" and "they make more on Pay-as-you-go" and "more sales" and "new business model"?
TRUST ME...there is NO INDICATION anywhere any longer...the advertising, ATT or Apple that is is a requirement any longer. Nowhere. Not in the fine print...nowhere. Not in store...not online...not in broadcast...nowhere.
I mean dude, for 5.x months up until 24 hours after the release date this was the case...now, nowhere to be found.
Are you...high?
This thing has been all over everywhere since January; the criticism has been there from Day Zero. "Hurt the hype?"
What? Wait. I get it.
You aren't a Cingulatt customer...that's what that little rant is all about, isn't it
We'll see. If in 20 days, ATT requires a two year contract to *buy* the phone, I will come back here and digitally prostrate myself before you.
Promise.
You are mostly correct SeaFox, with the exception of this:
The Sony Ericsson T610 always worked on both Cingular/AT&T and T-Mobile. It's bands are 900/1800/1900MHz. Because T-Mobile doesn't have the 850 band, it was pointless for them to wait for the T616 with 850 to come to market.
Cingular/AT&T has both the 850MHz and 1900MHz bands.
T-Mobile only uses the 1900MHz band, but many of its phones support roaming onto competing networks' 850Mhz band in the United States.
The 900Mhz and 1800Mhz bands are not used in the US or Canada.
The Sony Ericsson T610 always worked on both Cingular/AT&T and T-Mobile. It's bands are 900/1800/1900MHz. Because T-Mobile doesn't have the 850 band, it was pointless for them to wait for the T616 with 850 to come to market.
Cingular/AT&T has both the 850MHz and 1900MHz bands.
T-Mobile only uses the 1900MHz band, but many of its phones support roaming onto competing networks' 850Mhz band in the United States.
The 900Mhz and 1800Mhz bands are not used in the US or Canada.
(I am only a youngen
Don't worry.. most people on here seem to be about 13.
Well I would hope to say that 'silent' implied for 'vibrate'... After all if silent simply turned off the ringer then what would be the difference between 'silent' and 'off'?
Dave
Um, it would actually recive the calls, whereas it wouldn't if it was shut down? You could then afterwards check who has called you, and call them back. If you have your phone on vibrate, it usually means that you are in a place where it's not OK to have phones ringing / talking on the phone.
Besides speed, N gives superior range as well.
Don't get so offended ... I have heard a lot of Vista Owners complain that they had to make a walk around to make the Windows Mobile Phones to work with Vista lol
Didja miss the part about "the money is upfront" and "5 year exclusive" and "they make more on Pay-as-you-go" and "more sales" and "new business model"?
TRUST ME...there is NO INDICATION anywhere any longer...the advertising, ATT or Apple that is is a requirement any longer. Nowhere. Not in the fine print...nowhere. Not in store...not online...not in broadcast...nowhere.
I mean dude, for 5.x months up until 24 hours after the release date this was the case...now, nowhere to be found.
Are you...high?
This thing has been all over everywhere since January; the criticism has been there from Day Zero. "Hurt the hype?"
What? Wait. I get it.
You aren't a Cingulatt customer...that's what that little rant is all about, isn't it
We'll see. If in 20 days, ATT requires a two year contract to *buy* the phone, I will come back here and digitally prostrate myself before you.
Promise.
There is no indication of a lot of stuff. There is none of a plan, minutes, sms, internet, nothing. So would it be fair to assume then also that you get unlimited minutes free, unlimited sms, and blazing fast edge internet speeds to browse the NYT?
Explain to me your theory as to why they aired in June, weeks away from release, multiple commercials claiming a 2 yr activation only to remove them. Wait, maybe it was a mistake that someone forget to edit out? Or were the people who designed the commercial just having a laugh at everyones expense? Is this not a professional company who lives by meticulousness and attention to detail, eh?
After it comes outt, you can take the opporunity to digitally chill, prostrate to no one.
Here's a question I have that I have not seen asked yet in the many iPhone threads here. Will insurance be offered for the iPhone through AT&T or Line Lock who cingular currently uses? I have Cingular/ AT&T and I have a Blackberry 8700c I had also considered buying a treo a year and I half ago when I purchased my blackberry. Sadly I found out the Cingular does not offer insurance on it's smartphones. Let's hope their is an insurance offering for an iPhone. My contract just ended last month so I could easily get an iPhone if I had the money for one.
Just tie it into your Home or Renters insurance ... save the money on the overpriced phone insurance
No. There is no indication of any of the above; there are plenty of markers however to measure against when looking at current ATT plans.
What I don't understand is why you seem predisposed to thinking Apple is out to "screw" you? I can only surmise here that it may be because they didn't go with your provider of choice?
AT&T has their calling plans published on their website, as well as data plans for this class of phone.
One exec makes a mention in the press once of *considering* some sort of "minimum plan requirements" and people get twisted. There are multi-tiered plans for every kind of phone and customer that they serve...and while to a lot of people out here in Internetland its like, the dawning of a new age, to AT&T its a phone. Its an Ockam's Razor thing; the simple answer in this case is the correct one. You'll be able to apply a calling plan (minutes) from the product list, and a bolt-on data service plan appropriate for this "class" of phone, and what you want to pay for it...likely modeled on the PDA Personal/Personal Max/Connect Unlimited plans, switchable when you feel like. That's how AT&T works.
Why is this so...difficult...for people.
You are assuming that this was an Apple decision, aren't you? Apple is NOT an MVNO here...the service end is AT&T, and while Apple might be detail oriented or what have you, even they are not immune to an "11th hour decision" scenario. Something has changed (obviously).
You'll know what that is very soon, I'm sure