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I use to clean install Mac OS to get better performance. Even SSDs have overhead.

Some people swear by clearing system cache. Weekly reboots. Every system can get sluggish. Fragmented.

But really I have not seen that with Huawei Mate 9. NAND storage for one thing is faster, not sure why but it downloads and installs like greased lightning. Made setup fly and... no lag as it installed 50 apps or something.

I have to fault Instagram as the cause of trouble, of freezing, of requiring kill or force stop and clear its cache. Sometimes turning wifi off and let it use cellular (my ISP tends to have trouble on weekends or Sundays).

I have samsung S7 and Blackberry DTEK 60 and both use SD 820, and both going back to them now, run like molasses.

This might change your mind.

https://forums.androidcentral.com/google-pixel-pixel-xl/799356-pixel-after-7-months.html#post5842233

"I just switched back to my Pixel XL, could not take the lag or the tallness of the S8+ anymore. I will only be upgrading to new Pixels every year from now on."
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It takes 2-3s to open the dialer? Wow, just wow. I have a s8, it opens the dialer straight away. And it's not "out of the box". Explain that to me?

It did it more with the last O/S version on my s7 edge. But now with the latest version, it rarely does it. It still lags in other stuff though.
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My S7 edge is lag free so I believe you.
Saying, "people who say thier device doesn't lag are either lying or don't know what they're talking about", is just a crappy way of re-enforcing ones argument, it's saying, " if you don't agree with me, you're an idiot".
There's no technical basis for such a claim, it's just arrogant and disingenuous.


Now, I do have an exynos, not a snapdragon, but I can't imagine that would make a difference.

I'm considering not upgrading this year, the Note 8 seems pricy, the S8 doesnt offer much more than what I have and everything else is either ugly or uses LED panels or doesn't offer anything worth upgrading for.
If the phone was laggy, it would have been replaced already.
But then again, what would I know? I'm either lying or I don't have a clue.
Then again, I could go and get all "confirmation bias" and find YouTube videos and forum entries to back up my findings......

Okay, let's rephrase this. The Snapdragon is the one that lags badly. Exynos isn't near as bad as it. But yes, it is a known issue all over the place. Especially with Samsung phones.
 

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This might change your mind.

https://forums.androidcentral.com/google-pixel-pixel-xl/799356-pixel-after-7-months.html#post5842233

"I just switched back to my Pixel XL, could not take the lag or the tallness of the S8+ anymore. I will only be upgrading to new Pixels every year from now on."
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That's like me quoting you to prove a point, confirmation bias, it's one sided, anecdotal evidence which doesn't hold up to scrutiny as it is anecdotal....opinion based on personal experience and heresay.

You'd be doing yourself and everyone else a favour if you would just be honest and say, "I can't prove this, but in my opinion......"

Example:
https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/amp....ts/5gdu0x/pixel_xl_input_freezestutteringlag/

The Pixel XL is a lag beast cos I read it on the net....
 
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That's like me quoting you to prove a point, confirmation bias, it's one sided, anecdotal evidence which doesn't hold up to scrutiny as is anecdotal....opinion based on personal experience and heresay.

You'd be doing yourself and everyone else a favour if you would just be honest and say, "I can't prove this, but in my opinion......"

Example:
https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/amp....ts/5gdu0x/pixel_xl_input_freezestutteringlag/

The Pixel XL is a lag beast cos I read it on the net....

LOL. That is like you saying, Hey, I am biased towards Android, and nothing you say or do will make me change my mind. It's a fact or there wouldn't be a ton of posts out there. It's your opinion that it doesn't have an issue.
 

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Here we go.....Let's put it this way. 90% androids lag, 20% iphones lag.

I am not sure what's your definition of lag is since you only say.

But with this definition all iphones (old or new) lag 100% of the time and Android 0%.
What I am refering to is the scrolling lag. If you need to swipe 3-5 times more (compared to Android) to scroll the same amount, that's a lag fest. And it is much more annoying than occasional stutters that you get in Android. And here is the evidence.

 

Klyster

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LOL. That is like you saying, Hey, I am biased towards Android, and nothing you say or do will make me change my mind. It's a fact or there wouldn't be a ton of posts out there. It's your opinion that it doesn't have an issue.
If a ton of posts is considered fact, then we didn't land on the moon, the Queen is a lizard and Elvis is still alive....
 
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If a ton of posts is considered fact, then we didn't land on the moon, the Queen is a lizard and Elvis is still alive....

I believe you mean a mole. The queen is a mole. She even writes about video games.

http://letsplayvideogames.com/2016/...civilisations-in-games-and-how-ill-take-them/
 
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I've owed every Android imaginable and Samsung is the worst with LG not far behind. It is very annoying because I love everything else about Android. Believe it or not the Android phone that lagged the least was a $79 ZTE MAX PRO. I also rooted a LG Optimus once and that little phone was bad ass.
iPhone is much more consistent but will say my 5s with iOS 10 started lagging.
My theory with Android is the device needs to be restarted once a day. I'm always on the hunt for a app to automatically restart my phone every night while I'm sleeping but I don't think it will do that while locked My iPhones can go a year without restarting.

I wish rooting was a little more simple as I think folks would enjoy that experience.
Sure you did:
This year, OpenSignal counted more than 24,000 unique Android devices—both smartphones and tablets—on which its app has been installed. That is six times as many as in 2012. Posted Aug 5, 2015
 
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Sure you did:
This year, OpenSignal counted more than 24,000 unique Android devices—both smartphones and tablets—on which its app has been installed. That is six times as many as in 2012. Posted Aug 5, 2015
It's called a "figure of speech", of course I didn't literally own 24,000 Android phones. I did own more than enough to know Android phones lag after time, end of story.
 
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It's called a "figure of speech", of course I didn't literally own 24,000 Android phones. I did own more than enough to know Android phones lag after time, end of story.
Lol, so you've maybe owned 5 or 6, brilliant, not exactly in the same ball park as everyone imaginable now is it. The difference between us tho, I'm not saying everyone doesn't lag, I'm just saying mine doesn't. Which is my personal annecdotal evidence. But that alone Contradicts your generic statement!!
 
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Lol, so you've maybe owned 5 or 6, brilliant, not exactly in the same ball park as everyone imaginable now is it. The difference between us tho, I'm not saying everyone doesn't lag, I'm just saying mine doesn't. Which is my personal annecdotal evidence. But that alone Contradicts your generic statement!!
I'm 50 years old and my first Android was a HTC EVO, you were probably still on the nipple when that phone came out. I have a problem or issue with getting a new phone every 6 months, yes it's cost me lots of money but it beats doing drugs and such.
Maybe it's just you get the magical no lag Android devices and the rest of us get the laggy ones. I don't think it's by coincidence that this thread was even started.
 
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I'm 50 years old and my first Android was a HTC EVO, you were probably still on the nipple when that phone came out. I have a problem or issue with getting a new phone every 6 months, yes it's cost me lots of money but it beats doing drugs and such.
Maybe it's just you get the magical no lag Android devices and the rest of us get the laggy ones. I don't think it's by coincidence that this thread was even started.

Agreed!!! Many here are delusional millennial's and I refuse to continue to reply to those who think they have a magical phone that doesn't lag. There are 100s of articles out there that discuss Android and LAG and how to resolve/fix it. There wouldn't be if it wasn't an issue.

I also am near your age, and have had every major phone since the smart phone has come out.
 

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Does an occasional micro stutter count as lag? If it doesn't, then so far my S8+ hasn't lagged since release.
 
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Does an occasional micro stutter count as lag? If it doesn't, then so far my S8+ hasn't lagged since release.

That depends on whether or not the person responding has microstutters on their device of choice (or if they notice them). If the answer is no, then microstutters are unacceptable. If they notice it on their device, though, it’s alright. That’s how MacRumors works. We debate what is and isn’t acceptable and/or lag so our favorite devices are the best ever and without any real faults.
 
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That depends on whether or not the person responding has microstutters on their device of choice (or if they notice them). If the answer is no, then microstutters are unacceptable. If they notice it on their device, though, it’s alright. That’s how MacRumors works. We debate what is and isn’t acceptable and/or lag so our favorite devices are the best ever and without any real faults.

LOL, so true.
 

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I'm 50 years old and my first Android was a HTC EVO, you were probably still on the nipple when that phone came out. I have a problem or issue with getting a new phone every 6 months, yes it's cost me lots of money but it beats doing drugs and such.
Maybe it's just you get the magical no lag Android devices and the rest of us get the laggy ones. I don't think it's by coincidence that this thread was even started.

It isn’t a coincidence. Android has a reputation for lag, even though the iPhone has its own fair share of lag issues. Heck, this very board has people complain8ng about lag every and any time there’s an update.
 

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I am not sure what's your definition of lag is since you only say.

But with this definition all iphones (old or new) lag 100% of the time and Android 0%.
What I am refering to is the scrolling lag. If you need to swipe 3-5 times more (compared to Android) to scroll the same amount, that's a lag fest. And it is much more annoying than occasional stutters that you get in Android. And here is the evidence.


This is no longer the case at least on 2017 iPad Pro running iOS 10.3.2 as it has mostly caught up with 2012 Android scrolling.
 
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I'm 50 years old and my first Android was a HTC EVO, you were probably still on the nipple when that phone came out. I have a problem or issue with getting a new phone every 6 months, yes it's cost me lots of money but it beats doing drugs and such.
Maybe it's just you get the magical no lag Android devices and the rest of us get the laggy ones. I don't think it's by coincidence that this thread was even started.


You're not much older than me.
Have you been through the Galaxy S8 thread with it's 200+ pages? If so, how much complaining about lag is there in there?

Like Michael just said, how about the iPhone lag threads? They exist, does that mean the iPhone is a lag beast?

Just because someone starts a thread about lag or have maybe they experienced lag on a particular device, this doesn't always means there is lag or the lag they see can be applied to the whole pool of the said device.

I'm not arguing that lag doesn't exist, just that some people seem to experience it more than others...I know, (anecdote here), a few people who don't save data or back up and can't install a 30mb app on their 32gb device due to insufficient room and wonder why thier phone is grinding to a halt.

I've witnessed iPhones running like bags of ****, not many mind you and probably nothing a reset wouldn't fix.

My S5 was much smoother with nova launcher, yes it did lag under certain circumstances but only under certain circumstances.

I've gone through 6 devices since then, did they lag? Depends on your definition of lag really.
The Note 3 had a little I guess, I recall the Note 4 had light stuttering until an update/patch.

Note 5 was near perfect except for the storage.

Note 7 was the best phone ever, apparently on xda the were waffling on about it's below average performance and lagginess.
I didn't see it lag at all, it was near perfect.

My S7 edge doesn't lag..hang on ..it did while it was being set up , running all the updates and downloads in the background but apart from that, nope.

I do feel these lag issues have been hyper exaggerated over time.
Like most things past, they get repeated by people who haven't even experienced the issues personally but people repeat like they did and it was yesterday.
5 years down the track, we're still bringing up the past as if it were still somehow relevant to a current topic.

I strongly believe peoples personal phone habits contribute to a devices performance much more than they will admit.
Much the same as with personal computers, no matter what the brand/OS.
 
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That depends on whether or not the person responding has microstutters on their device of choice (or if they notice them). If the answer is no, then microstutters are unacceptable. If they notice it on their device, though, it’s alright. That’s how MacRumors works. We debate what is and isn’t acceptable and/or lag so our favorite devices are the best ever and without any real faults.

The perennial debate about lag is usually about stutters you get on Android is a problem. My i7 pc with 16gb ram got stutters. We will have stutters until all the components can match each other in throughput or when they are so fast that we wont notice the stutters in human time.

Of course, this debate is with comparison with iphone which has much less stutters. Apple fans seems to think that without the stutters "lag" the iphone performs faster/better since it is smoother. But that is not the case. The problem with iphone is in order to maintain smoothness, it purposely slowed down the UI (so that things like network/storage data loading can catch up). Anyone who has used Android for extended period can immediately feel the "slow-motion" UI (esp. in scrolling) when using iphone.

So it all comes down to these 2 "lag":

1. Faster UI with stutters (Android)
2. Slower UI with less stutters (Iphone)

Iphone users been arguing about (1). But they failed to see (2) is also an issue.
 
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Like what happens to me often, let me try to explain.

I go to make a phone call. I unlock the phone, tap the phone icon, and it doesn't respond, I tap it again, no response, and then it jumps into the dialer after maybe 2-3 seconds. I try to hit contacts and again no response till a few seconds later. That is lag.

It's not just the dialer, but it happens in any app. Like I mentioned above, there isn't an Android phone that doesn't lag. The users don't know difference to detect it.

Some ROMs do help it not be near as bad. But most OEM factory ones have issues especially Samsungs.

The lag you are describing is from the launcher app. Try the Google now launcher, android allows you to customize. Another source of lag for some people is the default keyboard, with again the Google keyboard as a better alternative choice.

With the long list of android phones you say you've owned, I'm surprised you haven't tried any customizing with alternative keyboards and launchers.
 
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BlueGoldAce

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Yet display unit iPhones never perform badly.

As such, we have our answer.

No........


For example, a Galaxy S8 is LOADED with demo software that shows off all the cool features, etc; but completely inhibits you from doing anything normal for more than a few seconds. Then it switches back to demo.

Thus, you are making a statement of fact, without actually knowing what you are talking about.

All phones lag, even iPhone/iPads. I should know, I have owned every major iPhone/iPad/Pixel/Nexus/Galaxy/and even a few recent flagship Lgs & HTCs. They hide their lag differently, behind how the mutlitasking operates. This comes down to application storage, animations, etc.

The iPhone does the best at hiding lag, while the Pixel does the best with mutlitasking. Don't post a unrealistic youtube video of a speed-test, this is based off my personal long-term experience. Pure Android can go toe to toe with iOS, and I wouldn't make a bet. They are both going to succeed, and fail, in their own way.

I currently use the Galaxy S8+. In the past, Samsung was the worst about UI lag, and I still wouldn't put it on the level of the Pixel/iOS; but that is only in a side by side, useless comparison. The phone is super fast, super reliable, and that goes along with the gorgeous design, great camera, features, etc. The touchwiz launcher is the only play that lag is ever apparent, and Samsung is finally acknowledging that. An update was just released last week or so that directly addressed some of this lag. Personally, I wouldn't know, I always end up using Action Launcher on my Android phones, which eliminates any launcher/homescreen inconsistencies.

iPhone and Android are largely similar, when it comes to fixing "lag". If/when it appears, restart the phone. If this doesn't fix it, and you don't have a poorly coded rogue app (unique to android, increasingly rare, unless you go looking for crap apps, but this freedom allots many of android unique features/advantages over iOS), do a factory reset. Modern Pixel/Galaxies (I haven't recently tried this on another brand) backup and restore features are on parity with iOS. If this doesn't fix it, you have a faulty phone.

Beyond major hang-ups, which can be addressed as indicated above, this "lag" that people harp on here is largely miniscule and pseudo. If you get upset/worked up over the occasional hang, take a deep breathe and examine your expectations. I am not going to judge you and tell you to get a life, because tech is becoming increasingly integrated into how we live, but do keep a perspective. Maybe your Galaxy S8 (mine doesn't, but maybe yours does) occasionally hangs for a millisecond when you jump into a Samsung brand app (which you don't have to use); at the same time my Siri on my iPhone has failed for the 1000s time trying to give me simple directions. Every phone has its advantage and disadvantage.

The same can be said for Windows 10/macOS. I used to be a dire-hard macOS person, until the recent MBPtb, in which I purchased one, became increasingly frustrated, and moved on the Widows 10 (happy here). But, again, advantages and disadvantages.

Man, I always end up writing a book on here. Tl;dr? Enjoy your phone, and pet your dog today.....

***I didn't really read previous post, so keep that in mind. Also, the new iPad Pros, in my mind, are exempt from the "every device lags" argument. I have one, and it is the most fluid device I have used. While I can't say the same for other Apple products at the moment, the iPad Pro line is by far and away the best devices in their class; it is not even close. But, as we see with apps such as affinity photo, even these devices will be tax/lag as developers eventually harness their power (but this will largely be on cutting edge, professional apps, due to developers desire to appeal to a wide range of devices).***
 

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I'll just say this. I bought the Galaxy S8+ on a Friday, and returned it on Monday, and went back to my Nexus 6P, which is rooted and running a custom ROM.

The overall smoothness and fluid feel of the 6P was shockingly better then the S8+.

Yeah the S8+ is a cool phone, with great battery life, and futuristic design. But Touchwiz ( or whatever Samsung names it ) is still a laggy UI.
 

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I'll just say this. I bought the Galaxy S8+ on a Friday, and returned it on Monday, and went back to my Nexus 6P, which is rooted and running a custom ROM.

The overall smoothness and fluid feel of the 6P was shockingly better then the S8+.

Yeah the S8+ is a cool phone, with great battery life, and futuristic design. But Touchwiz ( or whatever Samsung names it ) is still a laggy UI.

You returned it without trying other launcher?

I am using tsf and it is very smooth (even better than iPhone smoothness)
 
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LIVEFRMNYC

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The perennial debate about lag is usually about stutters you get on Android is a problem. My i7 pc with 16gb ram got stutters. We will have stutters until all the components can match each other in throughput or when they are so fast that we wont notice the stutters in human time.

Of course, this debate is with comparison with iphone which has much less stutters. Apple fans seems to think that without the stutters "lag" the iphone performs faster/better since it is smoother. But that is not the case. The problem with iphone is in order to maintain smoothness, it purposely slowed down the UI (so that things like network/storage data loading can catch up). Anyone who has used Android for extended period can immediately feel the "slow-motion" UI (esp. in scrolling) when using iphone.

So it all comes down to these 2 "lag":

1. Faster UI with stutters (Android)
2. Slower UI with less stutters (Iphone)

Iphone users been arguing about (1). But they failed to see (2) is also an issue.


For myself I'm getting .....

Occasional stutters of Android's UI. No matter what manufacturer skin and even vanilla. I almost never have a noticeable stutter within an app.

Occasional stutters of iOS within the apps. iOS apps give me more stutters and crashes.
 

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For myself I'm getting .....

Occasional stutters of Android's UI. No matter what manufacturer skin and even vanilla. I almost never have a noticeable stutter within an app.

Occasional stutters of iOS within the apps. iOS apps give me more stutters and crashes.

Samsung touch wiz on my S8 just CMI compared to TSF launcher which never stutters.

Only encountered lag or stutters in older apps.
 
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