Are there any Android phones that don't lag over time?

[Michael Goff]

The Razer has 8GB of RAM, as much as the typical Windows computer. Do you think it can have more apps in memory than an iPhone with 3GB of RAM? Well no **** Sherlock.

The question should be, why does a mobile OS needs that much RAM to perform well? I mean even many Windows gaming machines come with just 8GB of RAM.

8GB of RAM in a PC is not the same as 8GB of RAM in a phone and you know that.

 

[jamezr]

This whole ram thing and Android versus IOS is so needless.
IOS is more optimized to run on less ram than Android. Known fact...so what?
Which one provides a better overall user experience for you? Use that one....no matter what specs it has or brand name...use what provides the better user experience for you....

I have had Android phones that have lagged.....then i have had iPhones that lag as well.
Don't believe iPhones lag too? Just look in the iPhone section here on MR...so many reporting stutters and lag.

I just don't understand the need of some to put down another platform because it is not they're favorite.....

 

[AustinIllini]

8GB of RAM in a PC is not the same as 8GB of RAM in a phone and you know that.

I honestly don't think he does.
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This whole ram thing and Android versus IOS is so needless.
IOS is more optimized to run on less ram than Android. Known fact...so what?
Which one provides a better overall user experience for you? Use that one....no matter what specs it has or brand name...use what provides the better user experience for you....

I have had Android phones that have lagged.....then i have had iPhones that lag as well.
Don't believe iPhones lag too? Just look in the iPhone section here on MR...so many reporting stutters and lag.

I just don't understand the need of some to put down another platform because it is not they're favorite.....

iPhone owners like to come to the Android section and complain. I can only assume they're insecure about their choice.

 

[torana355]

This whole ram thing and Android versus IOS is so needless.
IOS is more optimized to run on less ram than Android. Known fact...so what?
Which one provides a better overall user experience for you? Use that one....no matter what specs it has or brand name...use what provides the better user experience for you....

I have had Android phones that have lagged.....then i have had iPhones that lag as well.
Don't believe iPhones lag too? Just look in the iPhone section here on MR...so many reporting stutters and lag.

I just don't understand the need of some to put down another platform because it is not they're favorite.....

I think these days almost all phones have more then enough power and Ram to run great so its really a non issue. Use the phone you like, and don't say a phone is not good because it didn't sell so many units, not every brand is able to sell the volume that Apple does, it does not mean they are not good phones.

 

[Macalicious2011]

I've been reading up on this for a while now and it seems that IOS just handles memory better. Android, from what I've read seem to keep everything active which is why you can download on Android. All apps are somewhat active in memory, wherein IOS it is on stand by until it's needed hence why the IOD so limited to usually one app at a time, no real multitasking or anything as the whole phone is designed for longevity and battery life.

So if you have 25 apps on Android running, 1 runs full memory for the app and 24 are limited to maybe 60% or greater of its total ram when in the background where IOS just kills it in standby and it doesn't affect the usage of the phone.

So IOS will seem faster I am guessing overall.

I have an s8 and yes I have lagged a bit, however, I don't use my phone that heavy but I am going IOS next phone probably.

I have had my Pixel 2 XL for 10 month but technically its an 18 month old phone.

Its the most "iPhone-like" Android experience I have had. There is currently no lag and its as speedy as when I bought it. Compared with my GFs Xr, its just as fast if not faster. I can swipe and switch between photos, Instagram and chrome without any hesitation or stutter.

 

[Michael Goff]

I honestly don't think he does.
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iPhone owners like to come to the Android section and complain. I can only assume they're insecure about their choice.

Do you think I should explain how swap works so he knows how a PC and Mac both handle programs when they run low on RAM?

 

[AustinIllini]

Do you think I should explain how swap works so he knows how a PC and Mac both handle programs when they run low on RAM?

Allow me

1) With the computer powered on, open the chassis and rip out the sticks of RAM.
2) Take hammer to phone
3) Place memory stick ripped out of computer on the pile of iPhone shards
4) piece together shattered screen with glue gun. If you use tape you will be instantly killed
5) turn on phone
6) Dial 911 (or 999 depending on your locale)
7) Tell them you're insane and you need to be instituionalized
8) Post on PRSI

It's fairly simple.

 

[Tsepz]

Do you think I should explain how swap works so he knows how a PC and Mac both handle programs when they run low on RAM?

You'd be wasting your time.

 

[akash.nu]

 

[AustinIllini]

I think I have watched this. Isn't the finding "yes, a little bit, but who cares?"

 

[Michael Goff]

I think I have watched this. Isn't the finding "yes, a little bit, but who cares?"

Pretty much. Some apps he even finds the opposite. The real thing is that iOS has always been better at compressing things into memory than Android. That's it.

 

[pika2000]

I'm not sure anymore, the goal posts have shifted.

These old phones only had 1GB ram.
Multitasking wasn't an issue really.

I loved my Galaxy S2

Yes, It’s not an issue. These operating systems are multi task capable. People saying iOS cannot multi task is basically false. The difference is just what Apple and Google allows in their APIs.

People usually claim that iOS cannot multitask because they cannot download in the background or run apps side by side. Reality is, iOS can do those. It can download and update apps/podcasts/etc in the background, and cloud services like google drive and OneDrive don’t seem to have an issue as well. We already see side by side apps on iPads. Yes, I cannot download a torrent in iOS while I’m playing a game, but that doesn’t mean the OS is not multi tasking capable.

So claiming iOS is not capable to multi task is absurd, and even more absurd if the definition of multi task is specific to the person’s desired activity.
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Because the hardware supports 8GB of RAM. Also, OEMs don't have full control of OS development so they pass the OS with more RAM. The Pixel 3 has four GB. What are you complaining about?

The poster that I replied to implied that Android also has good RAM management by comparing how his 8GB RAM Razer phone can keep more apps open than an iPhone with only 3GB of RAM. The contrast is obvious and quite hilarious.

One can see dozens of comparisons on YouTube on how Android phones with just 3 or 4GB of RAM are having problems with maintaining apps in memory compared to iPhones with 2 - 3GB of RAM. Those are more apt comparisons.

Android’s sweet spot is 6GB of RAM. That’s where its method of RAM management becomes less of an issue. 4GB is a minimum for sure, especially for a heavily customized Android like Samsung’s.

 

[Klyster]

Yes, It’s not an issue. These operating systems are multi task capable. People saying iOS cannot multi task is basically false. The difference is just what Apple and Google allows in their APIs.

People usually claim that iOS cannot multitask because they cannot download in the background or run apps side by side. Reality is, iOS can do those. It can download and update apps/podcasts/etc in the background, and cloud services like google drive and OneDrive don’t seem to have an issue as well. We already see side by side apps on iPads. Yes, I cannot download a torrent in iOS while I’m playing a game, but that doesn’t mean the OS is not multi tasking capable.

So claiming iOS is not capable to multi task is absurd, and even more absurd if the definition of multi task is specific to the person’s desired activity.

Okay, whatever, I was commenting that my old Razr was capable of multitasking by your definition.
I wasn't claiming ios can or cannot multitask.

And I also showed that android phones with less than 1gb of memory were perfectly capable of multitasking years ago, contrary to what you said.

Try using an Android phone with 2GB of RAM, and you'll find you can barely keep an app open

Yet, I've found that to be a complete twaddle personally.

Android’s sweet spot is 6GB of RAM. That’s where its method of RAM management becomes less of an issue. 4GB is a minimum for sure, especially for a heavily customized Android like Samsung’s

Galaxy S3, 1 GB ram

 

[mib1800]

Yes, It’s not an issue. These operating systems are multi task capable. People saying iOS cannot multi task is basically false. The difference is just what Apple and Google allows in their APIs.

People usually claim that iOS cannot multitask because they cannot download in the background or run apps side by side. Reality is, iOS can do those. It can download and update apps/podcasts/etc in the background, and cloud services like google drive and OneDrive don’t seem to have an issue as well. We already see side by side apps on iPads. Yes, I cannot download a torrent in iOS while I’m playing a game, but that doesn’t mean the OS is not multi tasking capable.

So claiming iOS is not capable to multi task is absurd, and even more absurd if the definition of multi task is specific to the person’s desired activity.
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The poster that I replied to implied that Android also has good RAM management by comparing how his 8GB RAM Razer phone can keep more apps open than an iPhone with only 3GB of RAM. The contrast is obvious and quite hilarious.

One can see dozens of comparisons on YouTube on how Android phones with just 3 or 4GB of RAM are having problems with maintaining apps in memory compared to iPhones with 2 - 3GB of RAM. Those are more apt comparisons.

Android’s sweet spot is 6GB of RAM. That’s where its method of RAM management becomes less of an issue. 4GB is a minimum for sure, especially for a heavily customized Android like Samsung’s.

iOS multi tasking just cannot make it. Other than music and handful of other apps, no other apps can concurrently execute in background with the foreground app. Background refresh app is just poor implementation.

Ios is crap with 1gb RAM. Can't even keep safari tab from refreshing. iOS can't even perform multitasking properly considering it has no concurrently running apps. Android with concurrently executing apps still perform better with the same amount of ram.

 

[pika2000]

Okay, whatever, I was commenting that my old Razr was capable of multitasking by your definition.
I wasn't claiming ios can or cannot multitask.

And I also showed that android phones with less than 1gb of memory were perfectly capable of multitasking years ago, contrary to what you said.



Yet, I've found that to be a complete twaddle personally.



Galaxy S3, 1 GB ram

Watch how the S8+ suffers with just 4GB of RAM. It also shows the huge gap between 4GB and 6GB (note 8), and less of a difference between 6 and 8GB (OnePlus 6).
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I have had my Pixel 2 XL for 10 month but technically its an 18 month old phone.

Its the most "iPhone-like" Android experience I have had. There is currently no lag and its as speedy as when I bought it. Compared with my GFs Xr, its just as fast if not faster. I can swipe and switch between photos, Instagram and chrome without any hesitation or stutter.

My Xiaomi Mi A1 also is smooth sailing so far even after 2 OS updates (Nougat to Pie). When you go stock/Android One, you already remove some potential problems (ie. the OEM's customizations) for future slowdowns.

When you are comparing "fast" in UI terms, especially with iPhones, it's not a straight comparison as iOS have UI animations that you cannot control.

 

[Klyster]

Watch how the S8+ suffers with just 4GB of RAM. It also shows the huge gap between 4GB and 6GB (note 8), and less of a difference between 6 and 8GB (OnePlus 6).

This has nothing to do with what we were talking about.
You said android can't multitask, let alone keep an app running with less than 2GB of ram, now you're off on some tangent about 4, 6 and 8 GB of ram and trying to prove it by showing videos of phones going against each other with different animation speeds, and different levels of optimization.

I'm just not following the point you're trying to make? You're all over the place frankly.

Are you backtracking on your earlier assertions of android's not being able to multitask with less than 2GB? Seems a bit like it....

What I do know is we're not seeing a lot of lag on these devices considering what they're trying to achieve.

 

[AustinIllini]

Alright, I think we all agree: No one cares about RAM or RAM management. All that matters are the empirical measurements we can take as a result of said RAM.

The way I see it: Android phones are on par with iPhone in terms of everything except one thing: Chipset. The chipset is the reason you can keep an iPhone for 4 years. The A-series chips are just so much better than they need to be right now.

Other than that, they're a matter of taste. To answer the original thread: Most Android flagships don't lag within their first 2-3 years and when iOS lags it's usually a 3-4 year old phone which installed a bad update.

 

[Tsepz]

There is no point in this RAM argument. In 10 years time there will be iPhones with 8GB and 10GB RAM and the very same people calling it ridiculous now, will be coming here with their 8GB RAM and 10GB RAM iPhones, calling 16GB in Android ridiculous.

Same folks who were here claiming 512MB RAM and a 3.5inch Display was fine on their iPhone 4S back in 2011 and were calling Androids with 1GB RAM and +4.0inch display ridiculous are now here with their iPhones having 3-4GB RAM and a +6inch Display.

This is a never ending thing with iFanboys and we need to put an end to it.

The unwritten rules around here are that any feature brought into Android must be bashed until Apple puts it in their phones, we get it already! Can we please move on?

 

[AustinIllini]

There is no point in this RAM argument. In 10 years time there will be iPhones with 8GB and 10GB RAM and the very same people calling it ridiculous now, will be coming here with their 8GB RAM and 10GB RAM iPhones, calling 16GB in Android ridiculous.

Same folks who were here claiming 512MB RAM and a 3.5inch Display was fine on their iPhone 4S back in 2011 and were calling Androids with 1GB RAM and +4.0inch display ridiculous are now here with their iPhones having 3-4GB RAM and a +6inch Display.

This is a never ending thing with iFanboys and we need to put an end to it.

The unwritten rules around here are that any feature brought into Android must be bashed until Apple puts it in their phones, we get it already! Can we please move on?

I would be careful throwing around the "iFanboys" thing, but it's simply a matter of yelling at each other for no reason.

All that matters is the phone's behavior. That's it. The specs simply do not matter. I don't care if they have to but a mousewheel in there to get more horsepower. Just make it work.

 

[Tsepz]

I would be careful throwing around the "iFanboys" thing, but it's simply a matter of yelling at each other for no reason.

All that matters is the phone's behavior. That's it. The specs simply do not matter. I don't care if they have to but a mousewheel in there to get more horsepower. Just make it work.

Absolutely agree.

As for iFanboys, these are people who come down here, with no intention of buying anything Android and simply bash, it's become really stupid and a waste of time dealing with such individuals when we can have far more intelligent conversations.

We have seen these same statements about "X features not being needed or ridiculous" and then be praised once the iPhone gets it, this is the exact thing we see with RAM. I am betting we will have the same comments in 10years or even sooner.

 

[Macalicious2011]

My Xiaomi Mi A1 also is smooth sailing so far even after 2 OS updates (Nougat to Pie). When you go stock/Android One, you already remove some potential problems (ie. the OEM's customizations) for future slowdowns.

That’s a very good point. Even cheaper phones should that run stock android should sustain speed over time.

 

[1050792]

I would be careful throwing around the "iFanboys" thing, but it's simply a matter of yelling at each other for no reason.

All that matters is the phone's behavior. That's it. The specs simply do not matter. I don't care if they have to but a mousewheel in there to get more horsepower. Just make it work.

The issue I see is like when it's implemented by Apple is seen as "magical" and "innovation" take the OLED screen example, Android phones have had OLED screens for years as we know, which were always bashed by the iFans, when implemented in the iPhone X it was seen as much better than the competition OLED in this case Samsung which is the company that manufactures their screens, the arguments go like "Apple was waiting for OLED to be ready and they made the best OLED display on a phone". Like?
Even the Galaxy J5 screen looks better than the iPhone XS Max.

 

[Michael Goff]

The issue I see is like when it's implemented by Apple is seen as "magical" and "innovation" take the OLED screen example, Android phones have had OLED screens for years as we know, which were always bashed by the iFans, when implemented in the iPhone X it was seen as much better than the competition OLED in this case Samsung which is the company that manufactures their screens, the arguments go like "Apple was waiting for OLED to be ready and they made the best OLED display on a phone". Like?
Even the Galaxy J5 screen looks better than the iPhone XS Max.

Wow, are you serious?

 

[0388631]

I can't wait until Android Q comes out.
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Wow, are you serious?

He or she isn't wrong. At least a few sentences in. I do recall some Apple fans bashing OLED for one reason or another several years back.
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Okay, whatever, I was commenting that my old Razr was capable of multitasking by your definition.
I wasn't claiming ios can or cannot multitask.

And I also showed that android phones with less than 1gb of memory were perfectly capable of multitasking years ago, contrary to what you said.



Yet, I've found that to be a complete twaddle personally.



Galaxy S3, 1 GB ram

It's been a while since I dug up my S3, but wow, I'd forgotten how small and different Android looks back then. I was looking up the S series a week or two ago and the Android versions they ran. I was certain Wikipedia was wrong.

 

[Michael Goff]

I can't wait until Android Q comes out.
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He or she isn't wrong. At least a few sentences in. I do recall some Apple fans bashing OLED for one reason or another several years back.
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It's been a while since I dug up my S3, but wow, I'd forgotten how small and different Android looks back then. I was looking up the S series a week or two ago and the Android versions they ran. I was certain Wikipedia was wrong.

They're wrong with the J5 has just as good of an OLED as the XS Max.