Best alternative to iPhone?

[Awesomesince86]

Actually most reviews say there are improvements. Or just look at DxO.

If you think DxO are credible then I don't know what to tell you. Remember when they put the OP7 (I think it was this model) as their highest ranked smartphone camera even though it was below average? Yeah, anyone willing to throw them some money can get a good review.

I'm not saying their aren't any improvements in the 12PM camera, but they are very very miniscule. And unoticeable to most people. That doesn't mean the camera isn't great however. But I think you are drinking the Kool aid a bit when it comes to the upgrades Apple says they implemented. The end user doesn't get as much of an upgrade as Apple are touting.

 

[Madtiger27]

If you think DxO are credible then I don't know what to tell you. Remember when they put the OP7 (I think it was this model) as their highest ranked smartphone camera even though it was below average? Yeah, anyone willing to throw them some money can get a good review.

I'm not saying their aren't any improvements in the 12PM camera, but they are very very miniscule. And unoticeable to most people. That doesn't mean the camera isn't great however. But I think you are drinking the Kool aid a bit when it comes to the upgrades Apple says they implemented. The end user doesn't get as much of an upgrade as Apple are touting.

Most if not all reviewers noted significant improvement. Again I have both in my house. Lol

Is the improvement like from 10 to 11? No. But 12PM is a refinement of everything that was wrong with 11 (which was a top notch phone in its own right). Bigger sensor and wider aperture allow from much better noise reduction without losing details especially when light gets low. That was my main complaint with 11…details are there with lots of noise. 12 PM fixed that. Portraits from the slightly longer lens are MUCH better. Don’t ask me why! It just is.

 

[Madtiger27]

You're getting sucked in by the Apple marketing team. Most reviews agreed that pictures from the 11PM are not noticeably or significantly different than the 12PM.

Btw Apple has made improvements to 12PM camera since intro. Ever so slightly better. ?

 

[The Game 161]

camera phones from the year before to the year after are never massive differences. however 12 pro max from 11 pro max I would still say was a good improvement for image quality. better portrait mode, better night mode, having night mode for portraits is a good step forward and overall sharper image quality from the year before. OIS is certainly good in most cases and why the next samsung phone likely has it as well.

not like the 12 pro max needed massive differences as it's already one of the best out there for overall image quality. deep fusion on all lens is noticeable in good lighting for sure.The gap in video certainly was really noticeable .

the people saying there isn't much difference is more from the 12 pro to 12 pro max which is true in certain situations. it's more in low light where it's more noticeable. from my experience there is certainly a difference from 11 pro Max to 12 pro max. I would say camera was the the only real difference from the 11 pro line. I would have been tempted to just stick with 11 pro max if I hadn't of sold it like a fool several months before.

 

[Madtiger27]

camera phones from the year before to the year after are never massive differences. however 12 pro max from 11 pro max I would still say was a good improvement for image quality. better portrait mode, better night mode, having night mode for portraits is a good step forward and overall sharper image quality from the year before. OIS is certainly good in most cases and why the next samsung phone likely has it as well.

not like the 12 pro max needed massive differences as it's already one of the best out there for overall image quality. deep fusion on all lens is noticeable in good lighting for sure.The gap in video certainly was really noticeable .

the people saying there isn't much difference is more from the 12 pro to 12 pro max which is true in certain situations. it's more in low light where it's more noticeable. from my experience there is certainly a difference from 11 pro Max to 12 pro max. I would say camera was the the only real difference from the 11 pro line. I would have been tempted to just stick with 11 pro max if I hadn't of sold it like a fool several months before.

Absolutely true…i did not even mention video capability. HUGE difference there. Now, that is a generational improvement!

 

[michael9891]

Lol. That’s all you have? No facts to back anything you said?

Pretty sad. Even android sites are quoting superiority of iPhone 12 PM.

You're the one quoting spec sheets as if they actually mean anything. You're acting like the difference between the 2 most recent generations of iPhone are night & day in the camera department. Anyone would think "sensor shift" has revolutionised the camera industry.

I'm also not the one who feels the need to go into sections of devices I don't own to champion the cause of the one I do. Pretty sad indeed.

It's OK to get sucked in by Apple marketing about how each year they bring life changing improvements. Lots of people believe everything they're told.

 

[Madtiger27]

You're the one quoting spec sheets as if they actually mean anything. You're acting like the difference between the 2 most recent generations of iPhone are night & day in the camera department. Anyone would think "sensor shift" has revolutionised the camera industry.

I'm also not the one who feels the need to go into sections of devices I don't own to champion the cause of the one I do. Pretty sad indeed.

It's OK to get sucked in by Apple marketing about how each year they bring life changing improvements. Lots of people believe everything they're told.

yeah, there is a difference in generation (11 to 12 PM). For video, it is literally night and day.

For pictures/stills, it is an improvement/refinement as stated above.

Stabilization is significantly better not just from sensor shift (IBIS)…but from being able to adjust 5000 times/sec vs. 1000 in the 11 (and pretty much every other Android devices). Even the telephoto of 12 PM has superior stabilization compared to 12 and 11…12PM telephoto OIS stabilization can do 5000 adjustments / sec...which may explain what i am seeing as simply better portraits from telephoto. So, no, it is not just IBIS on the main sensor…it is also stabilization quality of the 12PM that separates it from everyone else (5000 adjustments/sec on main and telephoto sensors).

But really, 12PM is the smartphone camera standard (again, even Android sites admit this) not by any single feature…but by a whole mess of improvements adding together for a complete package…something that eludes the best of Android.

 

[MarkX]

yeah, there is a difference in generation (11 to 12 PM). For video, it is literally night and day.

For pictures/stills, it is an improvement/refinement as stated above.

Stabilization is significantly better not just from sensor shift (IBIS)…but from being able to adjust 5000 times/sec vs. 1000 in the 11 (and pretty much every other Android devices). Even the telephoto of 12 PM has superior stabilization compared to 12 and 11…12PM telephoto OIS stabilization can do 5000 adjustments / sec...which may explain what i am seeing as simply better portraits from telephoto. So, no, it is not just IBIS on the main sensor…it is also stabilization quality of the 12PM that separates it from everyone else (5000 adjustments/sec on main and telephoto sensors).

But really, 12PM is the smartphone camera standard (again, even Android sites admit this) not by any single feature…but by a whole mess of improvements adding together for a complete package…something that eludes the best of Android.

You keep quoting these numbers/figures like they mean something. You're just an Appleite and that's it.

There is literally no difference in the pictures the 12 Pro Max takes over the regular 12 Pro.

I have them both in my household and can tell from actual experience this is the case.

A fair test and truthful outcome.

iPhone 12 Pro Max vs iPhone 12 Pro camera shootout: Is bigger always better?

The iPhone 12 Pro Max camera has some key upgrades. Find out if they're worth it in our iPhone 12 Pro Max vs iPhone 12 Pro camera test.

www.androidauthority.com

 

[grover5]

Most if not all reviewers noted significant improvement. Again I have both in my house. Lol

Is the improvement like from 10 to 11? No. But 12PM is a refinement of everything that was wrong with 11 (which was a top notch phone in its own right). Bigger sensor and wider aperture allow from much better noise reduction without losing details especially when light gets low. That was my main complaint with 11…details are there with lots of noise. 12 PM fixed that. Portraits from the slightly longer lens are MUCH better. Don’t ask me why! It just is.

Most reviewers did not note significant improvements. That’s a silly thing to say.

 

[Madtiger27]

Most reviewers did not note significant improvements. That’s a silly thing to say.

A Long-Term Review of the iPhone 12 Camera

After shooting with the iPhone 12 for months now, photographer and developer Sebastiaan de With shares his thoughts in a long-term review.

petapixel.com

So, you’re saying that video and stills b/w 12 PM and 11 PM are insignificant???

That’s a silly thing to say indeed.

 

[Madtiger27]

You keep quoting these numbers/figures like they mean something. You're just an Appleite and that's it.

There is literally no difference in the pictures the 12 Pro Max takes over the regular 12 Pro.

I have them both in my household and can tell from actual experience this is the case.

A fair test and truthful outcome.

iPhone 12 Pro Max vs iPhone 12 Pro camera shootout: Is bigger always better?

The iPhone 12 Pro Max camera has some key upgrades. Find out if they're worth it in our iPhone 12 Pro Max vs iPhone 12 Pro camera test.

www.androidauthority.com

Here is a good review overall of 12:

A Long-Term Review of the iPhone 12 Camera

After shooting with the iPhone 12 for months now, photographer and developer Sebastiaan de With shares his thoughts in a long-term review.

petapixel.com

Sorry, Android Authority?! LOL

 

[Madtiger27]

Ken Rockwell likes 12PM: https://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/iphone-12-pro-max.htm

And yes, he thinks that 12PM improves on 11PM.

 

[Madtiger27]

And this one is a great review (and detailed!): https://fstoppers.com/gear/depth-review-iphone-12-pro-max-cameras-534965

 

[iHorseHead]

And this one is a great review (and detailed!): https://fstoppers.com/gear/depth-review-iphone-12-pro-max-cameras-534965

Can I ask why you post everything "separately" like that? What's wrong with writing things into one post?
You're not even replying to a different person.
Also, again, I dont understand why iPhone fanboys are coming here. There are so many Android phones out there. As I've stated before I've had problems with iPhones before and also YouTube vanced doesn't work on iOS. Android literally gives you more freedom and yes, you can bash me all you want for using ad free YouTube and YouTube music etc, but why should I pay?

https://www.techradar.com/news/best-cameraphone

I remember I absolutely used to love Huawei and I'd go for Huawei again, but I couldn't download the apps that I need due to lack of Google services.

 

[Awesomesince86]

And this one is a great review (and detailed!): https://fstoppers.com/gear/depth-review-iphone-12-pro-max-cameras-534965

Fstoppers?

 

[Madtiger27]

Can I ask why you post everything "separately" like that? What's wrong with writing things into one post?
You're not even replying to a different person.
Also, again, I dont understand why iPhone fanboys are coming here. There are so many Android phones out there. As I've stated before I've had problems with iPhones before and also YouTube vanced doesn't work on iOS. Android literally gives you more freedom and yes, you can bash me all you want for using ad free YouTube and YouTube music etc, but why should I pay?

https://www.techradar.com/news/best-cameraphone

I remember I absolutely used to love Huawei and I'd go for Huawei again, but I couldn't download the apps that I need due to lack of Google services.

The only thing holding back 12PM is zoom capability. And that Techradar basically says that. S21U non-zoom pics are ordinary. So, yeah, if you love zoom, the S21U is great.

As for Huawei…yes, camera excellent but their processing is all over the place. Some pics are amazing. Other pics have weird a$$ colors or exposure. So, sometimes, you get the right pic with pressing shutter…other times, it looks like crap. Huawei has always had this issue. Lack of consistency.

12PM camera definitely lacks zoom. No argument. But where 12PM excels (like Pixel) is consistency. Everytime you press the shutter, you get a great pic.

And then you add in VIDEO capability, and 12PM just separates itself from everyone, bar none.

 

[Madtiger27]

Fstoppers?

Uhhh…see the linked video…duh!

 

[grover5]

A Long-Term Review of the iPhone 12 Camera

After shooting with the iPhone 12 for months now, photographer and developer Sebastiaan de With shares his thoughts in a long-term review.

petapixel.com

So, you’re saying that video and stills b/w 12 PM and 11 PM are insignificant???

That’s a silly thing to say indeed.

Once again, saying most reviewers found the difference to be significant is inaccurate.

 

[Madtiger27]

Once again, saying most reviewers found the difference to be significant is inaccurate.

Look on Youtube. TheVerge. Toms Guide. Etc..

Sorry to burst your bubble…again.

 

[grover5]

Look on Youtube. TheVerge. Toms Guide. Etc..

Sorry to burst your bubble…again.

I have no investment in this at all. If you want to prove your assertion then go ahead. Posting three reviews won’t get you there.

 

[Madtiger27]

I have no investment in this at all. If you want to prove your assertion then go ahead. Posting three reviews won’t get you there.

yeah…ok……….yet you’re here……silly you.

 

[grover5]

yeah…ok……….yet you’re here……silly you.

I came to this thread to read about alternatives to the iPhone. Imagine my surprise to find you in here yammering on about an iPhone camera.

 

[Madtiger27]

I came to this thread to read about alternatives to the iPhone. Imagine my surprise to find you in here yammering on about an iPhone camera.

Just presenting facts. I am like Fox News…fair and balance.

 

[mi7chy]

In cold during winters. It can be even late autumn and everyone I know has had this problem. My dad now hates all Apple products thanks to iPhone 7 that randomly turns itself off during winter even though the battery is almost full.
I was disappointed as well with my iPhone 5s and SE 2016. I skipped iPhone SE 2020 for the very same reason. Someone told me that iPhone 11 has a good battery life and I'm considering in buying this. XR still has bad battery life. I asked my friends that use XR. They'll go Samsung soon too. It's much easier to go Android if you dont use a Mac.

This is a known behavior of batteries. Studies have shown that the discharge rate and voltage drop of lithium ion batteries at varying extreme low temperatures can be as low as about 50% to 60% at -20C. If you live in extreme cold weather climate you may want to size up your battery capacity to compensate for spontaneous shutdown. iPhones are designed in California where weather is more favorable vs in South Korea where it can get into -20C.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Hmmm…would i want to lose 50% of value in 3 months (S21U) or 18% in 5 months (12 Pro max)?

Tough decision. One (S21U) is a POS. The other (12PM) is the standard…getting a perfect 5 star Rating from Toms Guide.

S21 Ultra is certainly not a piece of *****. I have the 12 pro max but I can see the S21 ultra is a good phone too.