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AZhappyjack

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I just hope they get the battery under control for b2.. otherwise I've not had too many issues really.

Battery health/life will be low on the priority list for the next few beta releases. It might be better, might be worse, but won't be "fixed" for at least a couple more betas - it's simply not the focus at this point.
 

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Battery health/life will be low on the priority list for the next few beta releases. It might be better, might be worse, but won't be "fixed" for at least a couple more betas - it's simply not the focus at this point.

Well considering they're specifically quoting an extra hour of battery life, they may wanna fix it sooner rather than later.
 

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Battery health/life will be low on the priority list for the next few beta releases. It might be better, might be worse, but won't be "fixed" for at least a couple more betas - it's simply not the focus at this point.

I semi-disagree. Longer battery life was one of the key points talked about in the keynote, I suspect Apple are working harder to fix the battery drain issues than they usually would. Though, battery draining is just a side effect of non-optimized software I suppose.

Not to mention third party apps aren't optimized for the new OS and wont be until the GM is released and they can start updating their apps to the app store
 
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ajiuo

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Not necessarily. Usually just two weeks after beta 1, but sometimes it's 15 days rather than 14. I can't see Apple waiting another week.
And then sometimes it's 3 week... And then sometimes it's even 4 weeks or 1 week on a rare occasion.
 

ajiuo

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Well considering they're specifically quoting an extra hour of battery life, they may wanna fix it sooner rather than later.
The first few betas usually focus on getting all of the features in place and fine tuning the look and fill of everything... Then they can focus on stability. Apple doesn't care about you having a stable beta to run... They care about the final version.
 

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I would expect the betas place more emphasis on battery life / major usability bugs than previous years, as there will be a public beta this time. Developers *should* understand that betas are unstable, but there's a greater expectation of stability for public betas, IMHO.
 

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I would expect the betas place more emphasis on battery life / major usability bugs than previous years, as there will be a public beta this time. Developers *should* understand that betas are unstable, but there's a greater expectation of stability for public betas, IMHO.

Exactly.

Beyond that, I'm sure they have a lot of indie developers who need to test certain features on a physical device and only have one device—their own.

Even "developers" who illegitimately got access to iOS betas moan and complain about iOS betas all the time, but when it's in public hands, where they're bound to show it off (good and bad) to all their friends? Yeah, they need stability in the beta phase now.

I wonder what build will introduce Metal for the UI, as it's clearly not active in beta 1.

I believe it is. The new task switcher, what with it blurring apps into the background and all, would presumably be a mess if it didn't use Metal.
 

ajiuo

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I believe it is. The new task switcher, what with it blurring apps into the background and all, would presumably be a mess if it didn't use Metal.

The new task switcher is a mess. It skips frames and is fairly glitchy and buggy.
 

hunt2013

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Sorry let me clarify. I meant I don't remember last time we had TWO iOS version in beta at the same time.

With two iOS versions in beta status, I imagine the development team is working overtime, especially with the huge new Apple Music app launch. So their resources might be more limited at least until 8.4 ships at the end of this month.

So I was thinking due to limited resources we might see a longer beta 1. But it's just a guess.

iOS 8.2 and 8.3 were in beta at the same time. Or was it 8.3 and 8.4? It was one of those.
 

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I really hope the new beta (iOS and El Capitan) will include Apple Music. Otherwise come June 30th, all the beta testers will be screwed.

The betas already do. The new Music app is already showing a link to the Beats 1 pre-launch recording and many direct references to Apple Music. Presumably, they'll just be able to "flip a switch" to enable the rest of the new UI required for Apple Music.
 

ajiuo

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The betas already do. The new Music app is already showing a link to the Beats 1 pre-launch recording and many direct references to Apple Music. Presumably, they'll just be able to "flip a switch" to enable the rest of the new UI required for Apple Music.

No they can't just flip a switch to enable UI. It doesn't work like that. There are whole tabs missing and the ones that are there are not even in the correct place. It also doesn't have the correct icon. The betas have used a striped down version of the music app. An update will be required. The apple music service it self just needs to be flipped on as it is just a service... But iOS is not built in a way that Apple can change UI remotely as you have described.
 
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bitslap47

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No they can't just flip a switch to enable UI. It doesn't work like that. There are whole tabs missing and the ones that are there are not even in the correct place. It also doesn't have the correct icon. The betas have used a striped down version of the music app. An update will be required. The apple music service it self just needs to be flipped on as it is just a service... But iOS is not built in a way that Apple can change UI remotely as you have described.

There are a hundred ways they can do exactly that.
 
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No they can't just flip a switch to enable UI. It doesn't work like that. There are whole tabs missing and the ones that are there are not even in the correct place. It also doesn't have the correct icon. The betas have used a striped down version of the music app. An update will be required. The apple music service it self just needs to be flipped on as it is just a service... But iOS is not built in a way that Apple can change UI remotely as you have described.

Someone's not a developer...
 

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And then sometimes it's 3 week... And then sometimes it's even 4 weeks or 1 week on a rare occasion.
Since iPhone OS 3.0, every major version of iOS had a second beta released between 12 and 18 days after the first beta. The past three major version were either 14 or 15 days. There is no reason to think that the pattern would change now.
 

ZeChild

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No they can't just flip a switch to enable UI. It doesn't work like that. There are whole tabs missing and the ones that are there are not even in the correct place. It also doesn't have the correct icon. The betas have used a striped down version of the music app. An update will be required. The apple music service it self just needs to be flipped on as it is just a service... But iOS is not built in a way that Apple can change UI remotely as you have described.


Gotta disagree, when the radio function was first released to America if I was signed in with a UK account then no radio but change to a US account and there it is, also with Apple watch no watch no activity app link a watch and there it is. another reason they can just flip a switch is when beta 1 for iOS9 came out there was again no radio tab showing on my music app under a UK account yet a couple of days later it there with the popup to start the free trial, this was after multiple restarts. all this was originally in the software it's just that Apple dictate whats available to users based on location and device.
 

DrBlueBox

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No they can't just flip a switch to enable UI. It doesn't work like that. There are whole tabs missing and the ones that are there are not even in the correct place. It also doesn't have the correct icon. The betas have used a striped down version of the music app. An update will be required. The apple music service it self just needs to be flipped on as it is just a service... But iOS is not built in a way that Apple can change UI remotely as you have described.

So why did the Radio tab suddenly appear last week for everyone running 8.4 and ios 9?
 
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