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California's Exposure Notification System Rolling Out on iPhone Thursday
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Do you see how “X does not prevent 100% of Y therefore X does not help prevent Y” is a fallacy?
This has nothing to do with Apple/Google and everything to do the states and countries dragging their feet on using this because they want more info than is being given in the system. There are states and countries that have used this system and had an app out for months now.
That being said no one is really using them because of all the misinformation surrounding them. Sad thing with that is no matter how much proof is provided about these apps not being able to track you people that already think that they track won't think anything different no matter what.
This is kind of pointless for the US without a national app. I worked in four different states last week no way I am going to look up if they have an app. There are still many road warriors out there I haven't had a non full flight since July even on a trip to the UK.
Get off your high horse and look at the actual data. Do you also tell your friends not to drive? Not to eat? Not to drink? Not to smoke? Not to fly? Not to shop? Not to... live? News flash: 10 out of 10 people die. Let adults make their own decisions.
In an age of misuse of personal information - willfully or by "hacking" - by just about every company, it seems reasonable to not want to sign up for something like this.
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Some people see 282,000 deaths and 1,100+ deaths a day as a need to take this seriously. Others, not so much.
The levels of severity (or lack thereof) at which people treat this number dead is fascinating to me.
Observation mode --- I find most people I know don't really care, find ways to make the deaths not seem so bad, bring up the fact that doing anything today a risks certain chance of dying, etc.
Even with my own relatives/close friends there are people at both ends. I am surprised because I expected more common ground on this issue than not.
You don't even have to sign up. The APIs provide anonymity.
What’s sad is that it’s in the political section and yet, people are still spreading dangerous misinformation. Just glad that anyone on the forum (regardless of their number of posts) can upvote the comments that point this out specifically and give clear, concise information to the contrary.
Do you think the Governor of California and Hollywood stars are being exposure tracked on their iPhones?
Anyone who doesn't get that doesn't get the connection to anything! Good luck to you. You'll need it.
You can find forms for DNR and refusal-of-care online. Feel free to download, print, sign, and staple it to your forehead.
When you break down the numbers into under 70 and no serious conditions you have odds similar to dying in a car accident after a few years of driving. I've had it twice and the 2nd time I only knew after a positive test result the first after I had trouble completing my morning run and loss of taste. Its out there and precautions should be taken but the threat is minimal to the average person so they ignore it. Even the absolute worst case scenario was 4-5 million dead which would struggle to break 1% of the population. The question becomes would you take a vacation or go out to eat if there is a 1 in 100,000 chance you would be killed or even 1 in 100? I know I've done some very stupid thing that probably put my odds under 1 in 10 so this seems like nothing to me or if you have months to live 1 in 100 is also not too bad a gamble.
EDIT: I am saying this as someone that has tested positive twice so far and made a full recovery each time (The second was 100% asymptomatic). Everyone in my social/work circle has also tested positive at one point if not more. In my family my grandfather over 100 WW2/Korea/Vietnam veteran survived however my grandmother was not as lucky. Ironically my sister is the only close person I know who has not had it which amazes me she literally snuck into Europe this summer and has traveled more than anyone I know outside of my work circle.
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Given how poorly the UK's track and trace app is working, you may want to retract this statement.
Will this help you prevent contact with, lets say, any of the Kardashians? THAT would be useful.
You act like getting infected leads to a death sentence for me and everyone around me (and yes I do care about others’ well being).
What a stupid accusation.
Apple and Google started working in the API in April and released it one month later. For two tech giants to work together on a single API is insanely challenging.
And this California app was not developed by Apple. Read the damn article “The Exposure Notification system for California was developed by UC San Diego Health”
Ate at the French Laundry lately? How was the $35 Bread and Butter while homeless people are starving? 😀
I imagine this was done by a government contract which takes forever honestly having a working product out in under a year is a miracle in my experience. I have had applications we need built that have been sitting as ideas since 2005 simply because we cant make an accurate cost prediction. As soon as a waiver is approved and the exceptions are created a new OS etc comes along or the hardware is no longer produced throwing us back into stage 1. Then the bidding process is another nightmare firms underbid to get the work take tax payer money only to turn around and say they do not have the resources after several months. Then your leadership wants to know why the big reputable firms wont work for for what the last group did essentially shelving the project until your department needs to spend to keep funding from congress. If a government shutdown occurs everything goes back to stage 1 unless in production.
MacRumors website is already tracking you (even if you have privacy features turned on)
Ahhh Ya’ll Qaida live and well I see.
I think you and a lot of others don't understand how the system works (at least not the "Exposure Notifications Express" system which is new as of iOS 13.7 / Sept 1st).
You don't need an app in every place you go. The "app" needed (what it means for it to be "turned on" in a state) is to report COVID-positive status and trigger sending of notifications to those the COVID+ person interacted with. What you need in every place is your phone, with its BLE tech, keeping track of the other BLE IDs it sees.
If you enable exposure tracking and notification, and go to four different states, and interact in one of those with a person who was also visiting that state, then that person goes home, tests positive, and the state where they tested positive has the "reporting" side enabled, you will get a notification that you have interacted with someone who tested positive.
Your state doesn't have to have enabled anything.
The state where you two met for drinks doesn't have to have anything enabled.
Only your phones had to have something enabled (permission to keep the list of BLE IDs seen in the past 2 weeks), plus the health system where the positive test got reported.
It is that integration with health systems which takes time.
This isn't a wholesale replactment of traditional contact tracing, which would require that person to remember all the people they interacted with in their business trip, happen to have kept your business card or at least remember your name and where you had been visiting from. That all still goes on. This gives a second source for contact tracing which is reliable so long as the contacts in question had enabled contact tracking (locally on their phones). Both approaches have blind areas. But together, contact tracing, which is critical if you actually want to return to a "normal" economy anytime soon, becomes much much more effective.
I think its important to expand upon the definition of tracking. Yes Macrumors tracks a lot of things specific to this site on users and without a solid adblocking solution some third parties will use this to create a better image of you. However its extremely unlikely Macrumors collects anymore location data than my IP address or my interactions with people outside this website which is what most people fear. I don't blame them either the US had this "its magic" approach to technology in schools for too long and Snowden created some warranted and unwarranted hysteria over public surveillance. 70+ million Americans on both sides have little no no trust in the other side having power we should be pretty happy if compliance reach's 30-40% in my opinion.
I want a notification when a hypocrite Democrat violates their own restrictions on me about outside and inside dining.
They are the biggest threat to society with their fascism.
By the way, I checked the menu at The French Laundry in Napa Valley. I think Bread & Better is only $35. Tim Cook probably eats there!
hahahahahaahha DEMOCRATS are facisists? What about Nazi-ism being right-wing extremeism do you not understand?
Fascist weasel sneaking in here to gaslight - take your obvious lies elsewhere
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Time to find another forum I guess, so you can keep ranting and raving like a quack conspiracy theorist living in his trailer in the woods away from civilization wearing an aluminum foil hat.
You can yell all you want out there that ALIENS ARE REAL IVE BEEN PROBED! DEMOCRATS ARE TRACKING ME! All you want.
Or take some lithium, stop living in a delusion and come back to reality where things are not as crazy as your mentally ill mind is making them out to.
Mental health is no joke - might want to take a trip to a psych before you start seeing Democratic Demons and Republican Saviors creeping around your bed at night.
Obligatory "sad this is flagged for politics" post in a flagged for politics thread. A "moose vs. squirrel" thread could be flagged for politics and someone would say it was sad.
Talk about a virus that's killed millions and infected millions more (myself included) is BOUND to become political. It's just human nature. Including California in the mix just makes it that much more likely.
As far as the tracing app goes. Delaware had this months ago. So did NJ and PA. Then all three states, due to their proximity, decided to share tracing information across their platforms.
So if PA, DE, and NJ can not only make this work in their individual states, but also make it work with surrounding states, then Cali just looks like the Ralph Wiggum of covid tracing.
Go banana....