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I think you and a lot of others don't understand how the system works (at least not the "Exposure Notifications Express" system which is new as of iOS 13.7 / Sept 1st).

You don't need an app in every place you go. The "app" needed (what it means for it to be "turned on" in a state) is to report COVID-positive status and trigger sending of notifications to those the COVID+ person interacted with. What you need in every place is your phone, with its BLE tech, keeping track of the other BLE IDs it sees.

If you enable exposure tracking and notification, and go to four different states, and interact in one of those with a person who was also visiting that state, then that person goes home, tests positive, and the state where they tested positive has the "reporting" side enabled, you will get a notification that you have interacted with someone who tested positive.

Your state doesn't have to have enabled anything.

The state where you two met for drinks doesn't have to have anything enabled.

Only your phones had to have something enabled (permission to keep the list of BLE IDs seen in the past 2 weeks), plus the health system where the positive test got reported.

It is that integration with health systems which takes time.

This isn't a wholesale replactment of traditional contact tracing, which would require that person to remember all the people they interacted with in their business trip, happen to have kept your business card or at least remember your name and where you had been visiting from. That all still goes on. This gives a second source for contact tracing which is reliable so long as the contacts in question had enabled contact tracking (locally on their phones). Both approaches have blind areas. But together, contact tracing, which is critical if you actually want to return to a "normal" economy anytime soon, becomes much much more effective.
I had 3 states installed why did it keep bugging me to download another one when id fly into another states airport? I kind of gave up the 2nd time I tested positive and couldn't even get confirmation it took my positive case into account I kept getting a 404 error page. I ended up after that blacklisting exposure-notifitcations.apple.com on my DNS because the pops ups where so annoying when flying or driving.
 
I had 3 states installed why did it keep bugging me to download another one when id fly into another states airport? I kind of gave up the 2nd time I tested positive and couldn't even get confirmation it took my positive case into account I kept getting a 404 error page. I ended up after that blacklisting exposure-notifitcations.apple.com on my DNS because the pops ups where so annoying when flying or driving.
Prior to the "express" version, pointing you to local testing facilities etc was something that each state had to provide an app for, which was why you got requests to download those states' apps.

With "Express" that information is sent to Apple+Google, so you don't need the app for that either.
 
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Question for Californians / Americans - why did it take so long for California, home of the world's tech industry, to bring out a covid app? (and I thought the UK was late to the party when ours came out a few months back)>

It is not technical. It is political. Anything that smacks of oversight (especially Government oversight) is anti-cultural and political explosive in the US. Even if it saves lives, including the life of the people raging against the machine.
 
I think its important to expand upon the definition of tracking. Yes Macrumors tracks a lot of things specific to this site on users and without a solid adblocking solution some third parties will use this to create a better image of you. However its extremely unlikely Macrumors collects anymore location data than my IP address or my interactions with people outside this website which is what most people fear. I don't blame them either the US had this "its magic" approach to technology in schools for too long and Snowden created some warranted and unwarranted hysteria over public surveillance. 70+ million Americans on both sides have little no no trust in the other side having power we should be pretty happy if compliance reach's 30-40% in my opinion.


It's also important to expand the knowledge of how this COVID tracker API works. The tracker API alone cannot possibly allow the government to trace a person back to the a particular user's location. Could the app be manually tracking the location by other means? Sure. The app isn't out yet so I haven't been able to peek inside. But if the app purely implemented the tracker API, it is absolutely impossible for the government to identify a user to a particular location.

And I'm willing to bet FrankieTDouglas has apps installed on his phone where it's leaking much more information than what this California app will ever collect.
 
Bruh... get off your high horse and look at the actual data. Do you also tell your friends not to drive? Not to eat? Not to drink? Not to smoke? Not to fly? Not to shop? Not to... live? News flash: 10 out of 10 people die. Let adults make their own decisions.
Here’s what I actually said, in context: “You are spreading harmful misinformation. This will get people killed...”. (Yes, everyone will die eventually. Do you want to die now? Moreover, I don’t really care when you die, I’m more concerned about people you might come into contact with.)

There’s somewhere between a quarter and a third of the US now that has decided to believe in superstition instead of science, based on misinformation that they are spreading amongst themselves, and yes, they are getting people unnecessarily killed.

I’m all for adults making their own decisions when it’s only affecting them. Would you be in favor of repealing laws against drunk driving? I mean, that punishes people for making the decision to drink and drive, right? They should be able to make their own decisions about drinking and driving, right? For that matter, should we get rid of drivers licenses? People should be able to make their own decision about whether they’re sufficiently trained to drive, right? And are you in favor of people making their own decisions about whether to obey traffic lights or not? The lights red, but I feel like just driving through anyway.

If you live in a society then you necessarily have to follow some rules designed to keep that society running and to keep the members of that society alive.

(And basically everyone on the planet is, indeed, living in a society, unless you’re living on your own island, using tools that you made to grow all the food that you eat - and clearly right now you’re using electronics devices you didn’t build, powered by electricity you didn’t generate - so, you’re part of society - you can’t opt out of society but still keep interacting with it when it’s convenient for you.)

Right now, this society needs everyone to do their part to fight this virus. If you don’t want to, if you want to “make your own decisions” about wearing masks and social distancing and such, then put your money where your mouth is and leave this society. Stop putting other people’s lives at risk just because you feel like it.

In an age of misuse of personal information - willfully or by "hacking" - by just about every company, it seems reasonable to not want to sign up for something like this.
It only seems reasonable if you’re ignorant, whether by accident or willfully. Go read the damn spec and then come back and provide a list of ways that it can be used to spy on people or track their movements, or collect information about them - not based on fears that you have, but on actual things from the spec.

Unfortunately, there’s a portion of this society that thinks their feelings are just as important and true as facts. But facts don’t care about your feelings.

And I’m not your bruh.
 
Fresh off of banning abilities to conduct business all across the state, and after California has forced citizens into house arrest, now they want to also track your location and human interactions.

Welcome to the early stages of socialism. Welcome to the upcoming world of Joe Biden, aka NWO. I for the life of me cannot ever imagine living in a craphole state like California to where their local and state government is on the verge of becoming a communist state just like Biden's buddies in China. But then again, this is what Democrats want.

Hell no.........
 
Unfortunately, there’s a portion of this society that thinks their feelings are just as important and true as facts. But facts don’t care about your feelings.
I always viewed that as the pursuit of happiness we grew up in a society that encourages crushing your competition and being the best. You learn early on to really make it in life you have to cheat and not always play by the rules (everyone cheats one way or another in life some so much they end up in prison). The ability to take a gut feeling and ignore the odds is something I love about the US. Is it flawed yes definitely we see that now but you cant argue the system hasn't produced some amazing people and engineered some amazing concepts. As a libertarian I have always supported informing the population of the risks and highlight steps you can take after that let Darwinism and fate take care of the rest. Also yes a private company/store/household should be able to mandate masks etc and should do so. A short happy life is better than a long but not lived life.
 
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And this California app was not developed by Apple. Read the damn article “The ‌Exposure Notification‌ system for California was developed by UC San Diego Health”
Technically there is no app, for iOS. CA Notify is using the Exposure Notification Express feature built into the iOS 14 Settings app. I suspect UCSD’s main part in this was testing out the back-end database (the one that records anonymous identifiers that have been associated to positive cases), and the infrastructure for generating and handing out the codes used to verify a positive case (needed to keep idiots from griefing the system). They’ve been beta testing it with faculty/ staff / students at UCSD and several other UC campuses for many months, and it’s been easy enough to turn on even if you weren’t directly affiliated (I’ve had it enabled since... September?).
 
It's also important to expand the knowledge of how this COVID tracker API works. The tracker API alone cannot possibly allow the government to trace a person back to the a particular user's location. Could the app be manually tracking the location by other means? Sure. The app isn't out yet so I haven't been able to peek inside. But if the app purely implemented the tracker API, it is absolutely impossible for the government to identify a user to a particular location.

And I'm willing to bet FrankieTDouglas has apps installed on his phone where it's leaking much more information than what this California app will ever collect.
Did you read the article? For iPhone there are no apps. It’s android that require an app.

“Californians with an iPhone can go to the Settings app, tap on Exposure Notifications, select the United States, and then choose California to opt in with no need to download an accompanying app. On Android, users need to download an app that's launching on December 10.”
 
Really sad to see this thread devolve as it has. I'm really starting to wonder if there's any number of deaths that would make people get over their silly partisan bickering and just treat this as the non-political public health issue that it is. Doesn't seem so.
The answer no, I read through two crazy war plan scenarios from the cold war that kind of woke me up to this. One was after a large nuclear strike a primary fear is that some in the US population would think the US striked the USSR first etc. and try to prevent the government from rebuilding. Another was an alien invasion scenario similar to the war of the worlds where some people would take a pacifist approach at all costs even going as far as to bomb research institutions and basically attempt to become the equivalent of a loyal cat or dog to the aliens. Humans will always fine something to divide over until there is only one human.
 
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If you enable exposure tracking and notification, and go to four different states, and interact in one of those with a person who was also visiting that state, then that person goes home, tests positive, and the state where they tested positive has the "reporting" side enabled, you will get a notification that you have interacted with someone who tested positive.

Your state doesn't have to have enabled anything.

The state where you two met for drinks doesn't have to have anything enabled.
This assumes that the states have their exposure notification databases linked together, sharing anonymous identifiers that have tested positive. This is not necessarily the case. If the states aren’t linking their databases, you’ll only get notifications related to people who have tested positive under the reporting system in your state.
 
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California is probably the worst run state in America right now, making it one of the worst managed places in the developed world.

Not only is it an extremely worst run state, but it's also one of if not the most expensive state to live in. This means the state's officials get to stick it in their citizen's butts in multiple ways.

What a deal! lol
 
Do you think the Governor of California and Hollywood stars are being exposure tracked on their iPhones?

Anyone who doesn't get that doesn't get the connection to anything! Good luck to you. You'll need it. :(
Not sure anyone can really say one way or another since it's not something someone can really know about someone else, which is kind of part of the point.

Whether or not someone else does or doesn't do something, how does that relate to someone else doing something?
 
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California is probably the worst run state in America right now, making it one of the worst managed places in the developed world.
That's because it is run by tech companies who care about bottom lines and not run by humans who care about other humans. Money talks. Do you think google/facebook/apple are hurting from lockdowns? or do all those entities still thrive in the online world? hmmmmmm
 
I wonder if it would be easier to track who hasn't been infected.
I know it’s hard to believe, but tracking anything is almost nonsense at this point.

With 15M cases, it’s likely over 150M people have already been positive, perhaps more. The good news is, you’re overwhelmingly likely to have zero to mild symptoms and survive.

H1N1 had far more cases, which weren’t tracked in any way close to this, and the reporting of H1N1 deaths was handled completely differently in all likelihood. Had it been handled like Covid, this would appear like a smaller pandemic.
 
Really sad to see this thread devolve as it has. I'm really starting to wonder if there's any number of deaths that would make people get over their silly partisan bickering and just treat this as the non-political public health issue that it is. Doesn't seem so.
Half of this country already sees it as a non-partisan health issue and have been trying to address it that way for the past nine months or so - we’d love nothing more than for everyone to work together to defeat this damned virus. The other half sees it as “muh freedoms are being impinged!”
 
I am surprised anyone would be willing to trust that this is a good idea and honestly, at this point, we are at a point of a vaccine being ready, so why bother even if you do trust them?
 
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That's because it is run by tech companies who care about bottom lines and not run by humans who care about other humans. Money talks. Do you think google/facebook/apple are hurting from lockdowns? or do all those entities still thrive in the online world? hmmmmmm
Not really my guy. Disneyland is still closed, despite much success Disney had opening elsewhere.

California is just off the reservation. Their Covid numbers are really no better than anywhere.

Human caring for human doesn’t start and end with lockdowns. I care for my fellow human and want them to be able to work.

Lockdowns don’t work anyway if you consider the entire impact and the science is somewhat sketch too. Lockdowns also don’t parent family gatherings, which could be huge spread events.
 
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