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Can Apple close the gap to the S6's hardware?
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There is the defining point!!! Some of us actually have bought and used both devices! Some just read about it...some have actual hands on experience with the products!
Yep. Like I said, I don't roll up in, say for example, the Note 4 thread and start debating people against the S Pen or what have you. If people who own the Note 4 find value in the S Pen, and want to argue that it'd be great for Apple to include it in a future Plus model, I won't be there debating about how Apple's profits are doing so well that 1) they shouldn't bother, or worse 2) claim it's pointless to even talk about it on a forum precisely meant to talk about it.
Nor would I then laugh at credibility if I get called out for never having owned a Note 4 or used the S Pen extensively to talk with authority about it. Ha, who needs credibility!
But yknow, whatever!
there has been a trend in this subforum of people coming in here and talking about android when it is quite obvious they have barely if at all used it though.
don't understand how they feel they have any ground to stand on if we are going to talk about comparisons
of course if you are happy with iOS you wont likely understand the complaints in this thread, because your use case doesn't need it. Then the prevailing if i dont need it it doesnt matter squad rolls through, along with the it is selling so nothing is wrong or needs to be improved crew.
I have to admit I respect Apple a little more after reading that blog article. It shows they have the power to control the media wishing access to their products and have earned the right to do so. Samsung have identical power throughout Asia for obvious reasons.
People who read stuff like that and gasp at the 'evil Apple' really need to get in the real world. Controlling the media is common for big brands and something I am familiar with within Formula One. You try getting access to Ferrari, McLaren or Mercedes if you've written a bad article about them. In fact you try getting a Paddock Pass at a Grand Prix! Ask Joe Seward about that. Electronics companies rely on good reputation to sell products and this has to be controlled or you end up with idiots damaging devices on YouTube and attempting to discredit the brand. As a consumer it's about seeing past the waffle and judging the product on its own merit.
You still can't get passed this idea that it's not only about you, can you?
Let me ask you one last question: Do you use every single new feature Apple releases every single time new things are introduced? Every single one of them? Maybe you do, but I'd wager probably not; not every single time.
Can you fathom this concept? Some of those features (just talking about Apple now) that you don't use might be used by others? Can you grasp that?
I don't know how to say this any clearer:
You don't have to need a feature for the feature to exist.
Not to mention, adding features doesn't mean it takes away from the way you currently use your phone. It's really unfortunate you don't understand this line of thought. Very narrow minded -- again, this is not an insult. You're actually living up to the definition of it.
Ah well.
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100% this.
Why would you argue against wanting Apple to add more things, making the iPhone even better than it already is? Because it already works fine for you? How selfish. So not only do you not care for Apple to add more things, you'll actually argue against it, and worse, argue against it from a position of ignorance about the two devices in question!
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That is my point (and maybe a few others as well). My use case doesn't demand a windows like experience. If apple updated IOS to reflect that paradigm, I wouldn't remove the iphone from my short list; but if there is sentiment that IOS is sub-par because it doesn't have a one for one with android, it is fair to respond to such a sentiment as to why someone might like IOS and use IOS and why there even might be a preference.
I'm not necessarily gasping at the "evil" of Apple. Not once do I allude to Apple being evil or something.
Tangent:
I think people really fail to understand what I, and others, are doing here. I can only speak for myself, but I actually love Apple.
I own an iPhone 6. I own an iPad Air. I own tons of Macs, including two iMacs (one 21 and one 27), a Macbook Pro 13" and a MacBook Air 13", and a plethora of Apple peripherals (Time Capsule, Airport Extreme, etc.), not to mention a few oldies like the iPod Classic and Nano.
So all that money/profits so many here keep bringing up... I'm contributing to it! So I'm fully aware of how well Apple is doing. That has little to nothing (at least it shouldn't) to do with how we reflect on what Apple is and isn't doing in the face of rising competition.
/tangent.
Anyway, I put that link more to show the power of Apple's branding, and how that helps drives those so called record breaking sales that keeps being used as "evidence" that Apple is competing toe to toe feature-wise with the competition.
What you seem to have trouble grasping, is that apples target audience may not even want these types improvements, as a general rule. Apple does not put "fluff" into it's O/S, and it's not about what you want or deem sub-par. It's about what Apple feels about some of the items mentioned.
I could care less if apple included them or not; my use case does not demand it, and that is my opinion, which by definition makes it about me.
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I wasn't commenting on you personally or how you used the link but more with how many times I've seen that article quoted since it was written and the reaction it's received.
With anything successful a company needs to learn to protect it, even if this is perceived as misleading the public on the true perception of the product. It's business and they all do it, Apple probably better than the others perhaps. It probably ties in with what you've been saying about the brand being so strong. Clever marketing and media control means they stay at the top in this category and even if they will never put themselves in a position to take the majority market share, they still remain the most recognisable brand within the industry, or from my stance anyway. It's a good article though, thanks for sharing.
Well If I was hearing, "I am okay with these stated shortcomings compared to android, but I am okay with it due to Apples ecosystem advantages", I wouldnt be complaining. Its the active arguing against features android users view as missing on iOS that boggles my mind. As epic was saying, you realy dont have to use every feature. Lord knows I don't on both android and iOS.
I have never ever touched airdrop and view it as a waste of development time, but cool beans for those that use it. Just let me reply to an email with the file instead
and let the pushbullet app offer continuity to windows PC's like they can on android
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Well If I was hearing, "I am okay with these stated shortcomings compared to android, but I am okay with it due to Apples ecosystem advantages", I wouldnt be complaining. Its the active arguing against features android users view as missing on iOS that boggles my mind. As epic was saying, you realy dont have to use every feature. Lord knows I don't on both android and iOS.
I have never ever touched airdrop and view it as a waste of development time, but cool beans for those that use it. Just let me reply to an email with the file instead
Interesting remark about airdrop at a family gathering a while back all 10 of us had iphones. I took a bunch of pictures and airdropped to all phones in a few minutes.
If there wasn't an airdrop; email it would have been.
I don't know who is debating more features are worse. I clearly like more stuff, but I don't have to be on board that IOS sucks because it's missing features that android has.
I would not argue to apple "don't make email more flexible" and would not argue against it happening. There are only some people in their mind that are making up that people are counter to advancement. My opinion is that apple carefully balances needs vs. requirements and that is why IOS is not android. And everybody can debate use cases until the cows come home, apple will do what it will do.
It's funny people will admit Apple isn't going toe to toe with the competition because it doesn't have to thanks to their profits and sales yada yada, but yet will still ask, where's the evidence that Apple is lagging behind?
Zuh!?
Ya just said it yourselves that Apple isn't going toe to toe. That precisely describes "lagging" behind. You can make the excuse for why they don't go toe to toe, be it they don't need to cause of strong sales, or be it they're purposefully slower to be "more focused" (something I debunked in a post earlier), or whatever, but the fact still remains, they aren't competing at the level others are competing. And that's what's being discussed here.
There may be no negative consequences for Apple not competing toe to toe as evidenced by their sales, but that's not the point of the conversation. And more importantly, that's not a good thing for the iPhone or iOS!
Really baffling how some cannot understand this, even when it's right there in their own words.
Zuh!?
Ya just said it yourselves that Apple isn't going toe to toe. That precisely describes "lagging" behind. You can make the excuse for why they don't go toe to toe, be it they don't need to cause of strong sales, or be it they're purposefully slower to be "more focused" (something I debunked in a post earlier), or whatever, but the fact still remains, they aren't competing at the level others are competing. And that's what's being discussed here.
There may be no negative consequences for Apple not competing toe to toe as evidenced by their sales, but that's not the point of the conversation. And more importantly, that's not a good thing for the iPhone or iOS!
Really baffling how some cannot understand this, even when it's right there in their own words.
Myself and the majority(if not all) of posters are not claiming iOS sucks. So there is no need for the defense mechanism to go on high alert.
Actually, apple is competing at a higher level than Samsung. Did IBM open up a cloud service so that important healthcare data can be analyzed from the healthapp? I see that as an important milestone and functionality at another level other than email attachments.
https://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/46583.wss
Where is Samsung in this regard?
You still can't get passed this idea that it's not only about you, can you?
Let me ask you one last question: Do you use every single new feature Apple releases every single time new things are introduced? Every single one of them? Maybe you do, but I'd wager probably not; not every single time.
Can you fathom this concept? Some of those features (just talking about Apple now) that you don't use might be used by others? Can you grasp that?
I don't know how to say this any clearer:
You don't have to need a feature for the feature to exist.
Not to mention, adding features doesn't mean it takes away from the way you currently use your phone. It's really unfortunate you don't understand this line of thought. Very narrow minded -- again, this is not an insult. You're actually living up to the definition of it.
Ah well.
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100% this.
Why would you argue against wanting Apple to add more things, making the iPhone even better than it already is? Because it already works fine for you? How selfish. So not only do you not care for Apple to add more things, you'll actually argue against it, and worse, argue against it from a position of ignorance about the two devices in question!
You know, there is a word to describe someone who does this at forums. It rhymes with stroll.
I'm not against adding features. I don't think anyone is. It's the sentiment that some feel Apple isn't doing enough in their eyes. And that's fine. There's options like the s6. But without criticizing the s6, it now doesn't mean Apple needs to do anything dramatic. What evidence is there to show they do? Your opinion counts the same as others, a feeling. Where's real evidence that Apple is gonna suffer? Because based on real evidence Apple is doing more things right than wrong.
There is no defense mechanism and you don't have to make things up or pick on the words I chose to emphasize a point!
You just did it! You just did what I described! Lol.
It's astonishing.
Anyway, I'm bowing out of this thread.
There is no defense mechanism and you don't have to make things up or pick on the words I chose to emphasize a point!
Then who are you referring to that's saying iOS sucks?
That is my interpretation of the general feeling that is portrayed when a feature by feature list of Android vs IOS.