I'm asking to know. I'm not criticizing the s6. What's the latest android, 5.1.1? Is that what it shipped with?
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Can Apple close the gap to the S6's hardware?
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I'm asking to know. I'm not criticizing the s6. What's the latest android, 5.1.1? Is that what it shipped with?
Lol, it's the ol' hackneyed credibility thing thrown around as if in this discussion it really means anything.
Guess you didn't follow my post after all. Thought we were getting somehwere. Ah well.
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Really? It doesn't mean anything when people are comparing two devices to have actually used (or in his case even know about) the devices in question? And then you're gonna side with him, too? Talk about revealing your colors.
The ignorance abound is astonishing. That is not an insult. An action like his actually fulfills the definition of the word 'ignorance.' You rather side with ignorance instead of take heed of people who have used both devices and can actually compare real world feedback of both. People who can measure and feel the strengths and shortcomings of both, and then discuss them appropriately.
But ya, ha ha, who cares about credibility! What a thing to throw around, credibility! Actual experience with the two primary devices being discussed? Pssssh!
Why do I have a feeling you don't own the s6 either ...
It's fine to compare both to your needs. It's when you feel like a company like Apple as a whole feels compelled now to change dramatically because you prefer the s6 and some here think Apple will suffer for not competing in your eyes when concrete evidence shows that's not the case. Again I'm sure the s6 is a great phone for your wants/needs. that's fine. It doesn't mean Apple has to change what they offer.
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I did follow. Just because I don't agree doesn't mean I don't comprehend.
Sure go ahead. They probably feel like Apple is gonna be in trouble for no reason other than a feeling. Or that Apple sells only because of the brand influence, even though Samsung is a borderline government institution in Korea. Or that sales don't matter even though it was the disappointing s5 that caused Samsung to totally change for the s6.
I didn't know what software version my iPhone 6 was on until I just looked in settings lol. I don't delve into the inner workings of phones like some here. For me it's just a case of having a go with phones I am interested in and seeing if it suits my needs. At this level of discussion I suppose it's good to listen to the guys who are passionate about devices and play around a little deeper with the OS, but for the vast majority of consumers this is not common. It takes all sorts for a varied discussion so don't let tech snobs tell you your opinion is not valid because you don't know all the small details. This thread is very interesting with some very knowledgable people here.
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I've only played with the S6 in store a few times and not seen one out in the wild yet. It's a lovely device, although I wasn't fussed on the Edge version. I drop my phone at least once a day and it's in a Spigen Slim Armour case. I think I would be looking for a screen repair pretty soon with the Edge. Having watched plenty of reviews of it I am not entirely convinced the extra 'benefits' it has are worth it over the standard S6. I do like the phone though and it's the best Samsung phone to date IMO. I owned the S3 back in 2012 for several months and the interface was too buggy for my liking. The current version looks to be very close to iOS in terms of fluidity with lag vastly improved.
I can see myself trying a Samsung next time around just for a change. I still love the iPhone though and feel I jumped at the right time, but I think Android is catching up for my needs. I've never been a feature buff but more about a clean reliable interface. I also like the fact with iOS you can back the phone up and just restore it on a new phone without having the hassle of setting everything up again. I suppose that is the major advantage of sticking to one brand as this can't be done across Android manufacturers for obvious reasons.
They're running two entirely different operating systems. Apple makes the hardware and software so everything is efficient and running smoothly. The A8 is 64-Bit and is no slouch at all and it's optimized for iPhone. People who only think about specs is not the target demographic apple is going for. Software is just as important as hardware. You can have the fastest handset known to man but if the software isn't optimized to take advantage of it you have a paperweight. It's kind of pointless me responding to this type of thread because in my 5 years of having iPhones the only problem i've had was a slow down which was entirely my fault because my 5 was jailbroken. A simple restore as new made the phone just as snappy when I got it. Android people and people who are overly concerned about specs shouldn't get an iPhone...period. We need to just leave each other alone and just agree to disagree. If you like Android and have an Android phone that's awesome I hope you like it. The only way i'm leaving iOS is if someone pries it from my cold dead fingers.
Reading the forums in here I would argue that most people are having issues, even my brother in law who is an average Joe user complains about his iPhone 6 Plus bugs. And I have not implied Apple is doomed, you have just chosen to imply that and that that from my post. Why would I claim Apple is doomed with all the sales it gets? Should we not be allowed to post that Apple needs to fix its problems now without being labeled some sort of dooms sayer?
You're bitching about software updates on 3 year old phones? Tell us, how far back do Android OEM's commit to updating their flagships? How about Google? (I'll give you a hint...it isn't three years
You know what's asinine--expecting 3 year old phones to run software as smoothly as their brand new counterparts.
FWIW, we have 2 original IPad Minis (basically iPad 2 hardware) and an iPhone 4S running iOS 8 just fine. Are they as snappy as the current crop of iOS devices? No, of course not, but they also haven't ground to a halt...they're used everyday without complaint.
Stop apologising for Apple, so your perfectly happy to spend several hundred pounds every 2 years because once the device hits 3 years you should throw it into a landfill and buy a new one just to keep the massive profits up of Apple? Now THAT is 'asinine'
It winds me up when I read daft posts like this, people perfectly happy to spends hundreds on throw away devices, and to answer your question about Android, well actually it has some pretty good support BUT Android doesn't constantly tell you to update, their will just be no update.
Apple does not give you that choice, they choose to support the majority of their devices and constantly bug you to update, only for their update to break you're device you spent hundreds on. You could argue almost that Apple is doing it on purpose to force you to give them more money.
Their is no reason a 3 year old Apple device cannot run iOS smoothly apart from Apple not optimising their software properly, the only bit they make themselves.
I'm not really sure in what world that's OK?
The corporate missions of Samsung and Apple wrt to mobile devices are completely different and the results are embodied in the hardware and software of the companies respective devices.
Samsungs' mission is to take Android from Google, whose mission is an attempt to create a desktop replacement, and provide a nice hardware wrapper. This they seem to do fine. On the Note series, they've added some additional capabilities.
Apples mission is a lifestyle enhancer. Health app, Homekit etc is an example of where they are going. That IBM has offered free cloud services so data in Health app can be analyzed shows how important this is.
Given where Apple seems to come from, they are not going to "beef up" IOS on a tit-for-tat basis with android features, such as email attachments. On a hardware level, they will throw only enough hardware to get the job done based on how they think the device will be used. Sure they'll upgrade the screen, have two motion coprocessors and three gyroscopes, custom a9 processor, maybe more RAM, but they will enter into the same fray as Samsung does.
They produce a walled garden phone and you either can live with it or go somewhere else.
The title of this thread suggests apple is behind, and they may be given a checklist of features, but the buying public doesn't seem to be sharing that, which is the most important.
Reading the forums in here I would argue that most people are having issues, even my brother in law who is an average Joe user complains about his iPhone 6 Plus bugs. And I have not implied Apple is doomed, you have just chosen to imply that and that that from my post. Why would I claim Apple is doomed with all the sales it gets? Should we not be allowed to post that Apple needs to fix its problems now without being labeled some sort of dooms sayer?
Stop apologising for Apple, so your perfectly happy to spend several hundred pounds every 2 years because once the device hits 3 years you should throw it into a landfill and buy a new one just to keep the massive profits up of Apple? Now THAT is 'asinine'
It winds me up when I read daft posts like this, people perfectly happy to spends hundreds on throw away devices, and to answer your question about Android, well actually it has some pretty good support BUT Android doesn't constantly tell you to update, their will just be no update.
Apple does not give you that choice, they choose to support the majority of their devices and constantly bug you to update, only for their update to break you're device you spent hundreds on. You could argue almost that Apple is doing it on purpose to force you to give them more money.
Their is no reason a 3 year old Apple device cannot run iOS smoothly apart from Apple not optimising their software properly, the only bit they make themselves.
I'm not really sure in what world that's OK?
I disagree most people are having issues. If you are making a leap of a post in the forum to some real world conclusion, your post is as daft as some of the others you have cited.
It's true people post issues, but a lot of people posted their idevices also run fine. I'm not even going to get into perceptions. I have never had an update break my phone since ios 4. It is true there are iterations of cycles where an o/s release gets better over time, but that is the nature of software. Vista anyone?
I get a new car every three years, a new phone every three years, so what, these devices are throw away. What do you expect, people will adopt your use case whatever that is?
Reading the forums in here I would argue that most people are having issues, even my brother in law who is an average Joe user complains about his iPhone 6 Plus bugs. And I have not implied Apple is doomed, you have just chosen to imply that and that that from my post. Why would I claim Apple is doomed with all the sales it gets? Should we not be allowed to post that Apple needs to fix its problems now without being labeled some sort of dooms sayer?
Stop apologising for Apple, so your perfectly happy to spend several hundred pounds every 2 years because once the device hits 3 years you should throw it into a landfill and buy a new one just to keep the massive profits up of Apple? Now THAT is 'asinine'
It winds me up when I read daft posts like this, people perfectly happy to spends hundreds on throw away devices, and to answer your question about Android, well actually it has some pretty good support BUT Android doesn't constantly tell you to update, their will just be no update.
Apple does not give you that choice, they choose to support the majority of their devices and constantly bug you to update, only for their update to break you're device you spent hundreds on. You could argue almost that Apple is doing it on purpose to force you to give them more money.
Their is no reason a 3 year old Apple device cannot run iOS smoothly apart from Apple not optimising their software properly, the only bit they make themselves.
I'm not really sure in what world that's OK?
Hang on a minute 3 years? Is this figure you've made up in order to make a point? I think you are trying to grossly exaggerate this. I know plenty of people using the iPhone 4 and the 4S and these devices are far from redundant and ready for the landfill! What absolute tripe. The iPhone 4 was still receiving updates until late last year, 4 years after it came out! That is the equivalent of 2 standard UK contract periods. That is a reasonable amount of time for any device.
On one hand we have people here taking pops at Apple for not pushing the hardware every 12 months and then at the same time they want software updates to last up to half a decade! Or exaggerated down to 3 years in this instance to make it sound worse.
We need to remember that the majority of high end smartphone users generally buy on contract and the price of the device is absorbed within the monthly tariff. Upgrades are then subsidised to an extent and most will swap devices every 2 years. People don't view it as paying hundreds of pounds for a device. Now Apple support devices on average for 4 years after release. I think this is generous in itself and certainly a lot more generous than Samsung or HTC in my experience. My old S3 most probably doesn't get the updates the S5 gets and it came out 3 years ago also. Apple supporting 3 or 4 year old devices is in effect supporting users on the secondhand market which is good for business but way beyond what is realistically expected.
Nothing you've said here is new information. And since you didn't seem to correct me about the s6 ownership, I'm going you assume I'm right.
Actually, it makes a lot of sense now why you'd say some of the ridiculous things and untruths you've said in this thread now that I know you don't own the s6. You notice I don't roll up into the note 4 thread and argue against s pen features or something. At least have first hand experience about the features you're arguing against or think are worthles. How can anyone be taken seriously in a thread talking about hardware/software feature the iPhone doesn't have when you've never even lived with them; how do you know you don't need them? And even if you don't need them, how are you so sure they're not worth having for others to enjoy? Do you use every single new features of your iPhone every time apple introduces new stuff? Maybe, but probably not every single thing every time. But might others use the features you don't? Of course. We each use our devices differently right?
How could you possibly understand why some would argue why it'd be great to see some of these same or similar features in iPhone devices? You can't.
So I'm sorry. When discussing features, I'm going to pay attention to the people in this thread who know the two devices being discussed.
The only reason I really considered android phones again was AT&T Next, which allows me to dump my devices as quickly as I can afford. This makes the spotty after purchase support android is famous for a non-issue. I can just get a new phone and I'm good.
But for anyone who plans to keep their smartphone for 2 or more years, no one supports devices after purchase better than Apple. The iPhone 5 in my house works perfectly, and is up to date on OS updates...Nearly 3 years later.
We have a similar package in the UK that allows you to end your contract early and pay it off at a discount if you opt for another contract with the same provider. On cost you can't go wrong with Android because here there is rarely an upfront fee for the handset like you find with the iPhone. The contract prices are usually the same though.
It's good we agree. Here it's very rare you'll see a Galaxy S2, but you'll still see plenty of iPhone 4's and they are as old as each other in the tech world. It gives some indication how well one device is supported over the other.
All this is irrelevant to me though as I change my phone every 2 years anyway. It wouldn't bother me if a device was supported for only 3 years but I am glad they do because not everybody can have the latest and greatest as it were. I just don't know how some draw the conclusion Apple are poor at supporting devices when they are probably the best in the industry for just this.
Why do I have to "own" an S6 to make an informed observation that this is a junk subject just rehashed in a different way?
Do you own any iDevice? Do you understand why there seems to be people who like the functionality of the idevice as is and not to your use case, without even talking about some of the other things, like healthapp, apple is doing.
To answer your own question, how can anyone take you seriously when all you care about is megapixels and email attachments? I would never argue against new features, but I would say that if apple decided not to make IOS the equivalent of Android in IOS 9, it's not going to stop me from getting the next iteration of iphone.
So I guess when discussing things going on I'll only pay attention to those who understand Apples walled garden design philosophy and can respond at that level without saying: "outlook email attachment feature; ios sucks"
It's the same thing on car forums, some people don't accept opinions from those who don't the car in question. A test drive isn't really sufficient qualification.
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I HIGHLY suggest you actually read the entire thread of comments before nit picking my response to someone else.............
I have been contributing and reading this thread from the start. I have simply responded to points that you've made that I believe to be false. No nit picking, just a straight up response.
Those are good references. But what I don't see is a fair comparison when it comes to battery capacity. Fair comparison would be comparing S6 to iPhone 6+ because of being closer in battery size than the iPhone 6. S6 battery is 15% smaller than the 6+ and iPhone 6 battery is 30% smaller than the S6. So S6 is close to battery capacity of 6+ than 6. And S6 has the advantage by having a 14nm chipset and S6 I think has efficient radios than the iPhone 6 (not sure on that one). Based on that alone S6 should outperform iPhone 6+ battery life by a decent margin, but instead it lags. That's from battery life engineering point of view. What S6 did when compared to iPhone 6, is throw in a bigger battery, again a compromise because S6 system efficiency is lesser than iPhone's system efficiency.
On the processor side, Apple will design custom SOC just for each product, they will customize it further in different hardware configs, iPhone SOC is different than iPad SOC. While on the other hand Samsung will use the same SOC in many of the products. Same thing applies to products coming from Qualcomm, their generic processors that are made to work with all the packaged hardware from different OEMs, so in terms of engineering, that's a poor choice inherently.
So in terms of engineering, Apple trumps Samsung, because from my point of view, good engineering means doing the best you can with the resources that you have. Samsung can throw everything and kitchen sink in their hardware, but they haven't shown engineering prowess to make it all work well together. Battery life would be the first metric to measure the efficiency of their system.
And going by Samsung's history, software is definitely not their forte. If they don't have good control of their product cycle, hardware and software, then the product not just not good enough. That's where Samsung lags.
Standby battery life is another metric, iPhone clearly has been efficient for quite some time. The battery life drop during standby in my experience clearly shows the disconnect between hardware and software. If software were optimized to work with hardware, then battery life drop gap during standby would be pretty close. I expect that gap with iPhone to close, but still inherently.
S6 has spectacular hardware except for the camera, because I favor bigger pixel size to megapixels.
Unless Samsung can design a software OS to run on their specific hardware, they wont be able to do as good as job as Apple. Even if they tried Samsung won't be able to do it because the market acceptance will not be in Samsung's favor. So Samsung is stuck between a rock and hard place, maybe that will change in the future if Android is customized for each set of hardware, instead of being Windows of the mobile world, where one OS with drivers works on all the hardware. Windows is not optimized for each hardware that it runs on but has the advantage of working reasonably well on wide range of hardware.
I trust Anandtech more than other sources because they understand the underlying factors and can compensate for phone differences in their test better than other sources.
Phew, that was a long post. Thanks for reading.
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That's a good example of where suspended state of apps would be sufficient, glancing at two apps simultaneously. That's not multi-tasking as I would call it.
My contention is that there is not enough real estate on a phone to view two apps well enough to make good use of it. I cannot read an ebook and a web article on a side by side app on a phone. I need a tablet (9-10") sized screen to do that.
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Again I must have a magical gs6 because mine dosnt lose a single % in battery life going in standby mode over night.
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I dont think its a direct correlation of pixel quantity to power consumption. More pixels affecting power consumption comes into play when graphics processor has to play dynamic images or video in other words. Static rendering like web browsing doesn't really push power consumption a lot higher, not definitely in the 30% range. S6 should compare well to 6+ for web browsing, but it doesn't.I'm not one to normally jump in and defend Samsung but there are other factors that come into play, including the fact that the Galaxy S6 has approximately 4X the number of pixels to push on a display 0.4" larger. So 30% larger battery for 400% the pixels.
I see S6 screen resolution more of a bragging rights instead of a tangible improvement. As soon as the best human eye cannot distinguish pixels, that's what would be point of diminishing returns. Anything higher really should be weighed against the system design instead of just bragging rights.
I also dont know the comparison between LCD and OLED screen power consumption, I vaguely remember reading the OLED is more power efficient than LCD. If thats the case S6 again didnt fare well in power consumption or battery life against 6+. S6 should do better than 6+ in any case.
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That is one data point, well done. But its not really a good comparison. An identical parametric test would be a better comparison.
Something about that test looks fishy to me, iPhone 6 performing better than 6+ is a suspect.
There is another gs6 at work.I'm going to see what his standby looks like from last night
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