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tbayrgs

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/9146/the-samsung-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge-review/3

I am going by the review on Anandtech, the first and second chart show that iPhone 6 has equal or better battery life than the S6. What needs to considered here is that iPhone has an 1810 mAh capacity battery and S6 has 2550 mAh capacity battery. S6 has 30% more capacity and yet cannot show a battery life increase reflecting the higher capacity. That is the optimization that I was referring to, which Samsung cannot match because it doesnt have enough control to optimize a generic OS running on a specific hardware. My understanding is that the Exynos line of processors are generic mass market CPUs and are not optimized for the hardware on the S6. Thats where Samsung could have done better, marry custom SOC to suit the hardware on S6, but they didnt and chose generic hardware. Instead they took the easy route, put a bigger battery because they did not optimize hardware and cannot optimize the OS for better battery life. And all the savings that the 14nm fab could have provided are not to be seen in battery life of the S6.

I would go as far as to say the battery capacity on the S6 should be compared to battery capacity on the iPhone 6+ battery capacity of 2915 mAh (15% increase). iPhone 6+ performs far better than the S6.
So in that sense Samsung is lagging.

I'm not one to normally jump in and defend Samsung but there are other factors that come into play, including the fact that the Galaxy S6 has approximately 4X the number of pixels to push on a display 0.4" larger. So 30% larger battery for 400% the pixels. ;)
 

gotluck

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How is the exynos 'not optimized for the hardware in the s6'? What does that even mean? Generic Hardware, cant optimize the OS? Do you have a source for any of this stuff? Specific drivers are written for each hardware component to communicate with Samsung's highly customized version of android that is almost a different product over google's android. That's why it takes them forever to release updates for their devices.

Samsung has full control over the hardware they put in the device (they make most of it themselves) and they have full control over the software, save for whatever Google makes them comply with to include the play store / play services. If that is not custom, I don't know what is. I would rather the software was less custom :p

I would imagine the screen resolution has a large amount to do with the battery discrepancy. If you are saying good battery life is not possible on android, you need look no further than Sony

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9146/the-samsung-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge-review/3

I am going by the review on Anandtech, the first and second chart show that iPhone 6 has equal or better battery life than the S6. What needs to considered here is that iPhone has an 1810 mAh capacity battery and S6 has 2550 mAh capacity battery. S6 has 30% more capacity and yet cannot show a battery life increase reflecting the higher capacity. That is the optimization that I was referring to, which Samsung cannot match because it doesnt have enough control to optimize a generic OS running on a specific hardware. My understanding is that the Exynos line of processors are generic mass market CPUs and are not optimized for the hardware on the S6. Thats where Samsung could have done better, marry custom SOC to suit the hardware on S6, but they didnt and chose generic hardware. Instead they took the easy route, put a bigger battery because they did not optimize hardware and cannot optimize the OS for better battery life. And all the savings that the 14nm fab could have provided are not to be seen in battery life of the S6.

I would go as far as to say the battery capacity on the S6 should be compared to battery capacity on the iPhone 6+ battery capacity of 2915 mAh (15% increase). iPhone 6+ performs far better than the S6.
So in that sense Samsung is lagging.
 
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LIVEFRMNYC

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/9146/the-samsung-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge-review/3

I am going by the review on Anandtech, the first and second chart show that iPhone 6 has equal or better battery life than the S6. What needs to considered here is that iPhone has an 1810 mAh capacity battery and S6 has 2550 mAh capacity battery. S6 has 30% more capacity and yet cannot show a battery life increase reflecting the higher capacity. That is the optimization that I was referring to, which Samsung cannot match because it doesnt have enough control to optimize a generic OS running on a specific hardware. My understanding is that the Exynos line of processors are generic mass market CPUs and are not optimized for the hardware on the S6. Thats where Samsung could have done better, marry custom SOC to suit the hardware on S6, but they didnt and chose generic hardware. Instead they took the easy route, put a bigger battery because they did not optimize hardware and cannot optimize the OS for better battery life. And all the savings that the 14nm fab could have provided are not to be seen in battery life of the S6.

I would go as far as to say the battery capacity on the S6 should be compared to battery capacity on the iPhone 6+ battery capacity of 2915 mAh (15% increase). iPhone 6+ performs far better than the S6.
So in that sense Samsung is lagging.


http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/samsung-galaxy-s6-vs-iphone-6
Samsung Galaxy S6 vs iPhone 6:Battery Life
Samsung Galaxy S6: 2550 mAh non-removable battery, wireless charging

iPhone 6: 1810 mAh non-removable battery

When you compare the Galaxy S5 with the iPhone 6, there was only one winner and that was the S5. It had the bigger battery and the benchmark tests proved it had the capability of going much longer than Apple's smartphone. That being said, the iPhone 6 has made big improvements thanks to a more efficient setup.

Living day-to-day with them, the S6's stamina levels are nowhere near as good as the S5, but compared to the iPhone 6 it just about beats it. There's not much in it though. You can get a normal working day (8am to 6-7pm) out of them both but it'll be a hard push keeping either alive if you stayed out for the night. Samsung does offer a very useful power saving mode that restricts the battery draining features but will still let you make calls and can push things a little further.

The S6 and the iPhone 6 can see noticeable drop offs when you're streaming music, watching video or browsing the web for 20-30 minutes. In standby modes, though they reserve those battery powers well.

When the battery is dead, the S6 is a quicker to get back up to 100%. That's down to Samsung's rapid charging technology, which works in a similar fashion to Qualcomm's Quick Charge 2.0 technology found on the LG G Flex 2. It takes an hour and twenty minutes to go from 0%-100 while the iPhone takes around 3 to 3.5 hours. There's a workaround to getting that down to 2 hours if you use a 2.1-amp charging cable that comes bundled with Apple's iPad.

Samsung additionally offers wireless charging, something Apple has yet to embrace for its smartphone range. The S6 will work with all wireless charging formats including the more common QI, letting you use other third party charging devices. The problem here is that you don't get the same level of charging speed as you do from the mains.



Your main argument in your previous post was multi tasking was a battery killer and not efficient. Judging from this chart below, that doesn't seem like the case. In fact, the S6 has 176 more ppi and still beats the iPhone 6 screen time hours by two hours and is only two hours below the 6 Plus. Music playback is near identical, and variables of streaming or not will probably benefit either side according to the chart.



http://www.phonearena.com/news/Batt...S6-vs-Apple-iPhone-6-vs-iPhone-6-Plus_id66644
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GSM site also put the S6 ahead of the iPhone 6 battery life.

But that's just judging by charts, which varies from site to site.

I personally had time with both phones.

The only two differences I noticed with the S6(Edge) and iPhone 6 are ......

1)Standby life is slightly better on the iPhone 6. Probably about 4% to 6% better.

2)Streaming music is better on battery life with the S6. I stream music from multiple apps using carrier data and play via bluetooth to my car. I've noticed less battery life used on the S6 than on the iPhone 6.

For the sake of the argument, I'll just say that battery life is near equal. And that fact that the iPhone battery is only 1810 mah doesn't mean much when the the S6 is pushing out 176 more pixels and fully charges 2x as fast as the iPhone.

So I just don't get how you are saying that Samsung is lagging in the battery department.
 

Truefan31

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Plenty to address here but I've already explained my position ad nauseum. Reread my posts if you need to.



The one thing I do want to address directly though is this misconception that apple doesn't give us half baked products and or features. And that everything they do is super focused.



Explain to me apple maps please in its first two years and especially in its first year. How is that not a half baked feature that was rushed out so they could oust google maps? Tim cook apologized for it and there were executive firings.



Explain to me how come their version of "ok google" with siri can only be used when plugged into the car? Why isn't it OS wide like it can be on some android devices? The moto x can be activated nearly entirely hands free.



How about ios 8 update that bricked or otherwise caused havoc on people's phones.



There are probably plenty more examples. And if your answer is to "conserve battery" then I say to you, maybe specs do matter.



So sure apple may not do half baked as often as others do but that, I think, is simply because they don't offer that many new features in the first place.




And this whole idea that they don't release anything until it's meticulously thought out and focused down... Ok I believe that to some degree. But really, how much more focused down do you need to be to offer more email attachments or to improve the keyboard (something they haven't really made any significant changes or improvements to in years), or to finally give us a larger screen (how log did that take!), or real multitasking, etc?



How much more focused do they need to contemplate about power saving modes? Or wireless charging? Or higher camera megapixels? And more.



If you think they don't roll out these features intentionally slower to maximize profits then I don't know what to tell ya. If you don't think they're able to roll out these features slowly because of their brand recognition and near guaranteed success, then I don't know what to tell ya. You've bought right into their marketing and hyperbole.



Yes they do many things right but if you don't think they could do more if they wanted to but don't because they don't have to thanks to the branding you're fooling yourself. And worse, you're not allowing a discussion on how people might want more out of their apple device.



It's the classic "it just works" mixed with a bit of the ol' classic "let apple dictate what we need" excuse we've heard time and time again.


I understand people want more out of a device. But this thread is asking if Apple can somehow "catch up" to the hardware on the s6. I'm sure Apple if they wanted could all a sudden add boatloads of new things that on paper would satisfy the people in this thread. But that's not how Apple does things. They've always moved at their own pace. My point was that people all a sudden felt like Apple "needed" to do these things now, when there's absolutely no evidence to show they do. Samsungs marketing for the last several years has been exactly what I read here: all the extra things it can do iPhone can't. Yet I don't see Apple suffering at all. In fact it was Samsung who lost with their s5.

Again can Apple do it? Sure. Do they need to like some say? I don't think so, and evidence shows they're doing well and not "suffering"
 

skratch77

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I might have a special gs6 but I get 6 hours of on screen time every charge and I'm a power user
 

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C DM

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Most of the responses are one liners without any real explanation, I would prefer more credible responses. But suit yourself.

Maybe I am in the minority here, the multi-tasking that I use on a PC cannot be used efficiently on a small screen and the UI to suit the small screen. Take for example two applications that share data on a PC (Matlab and Excel), I can work on two screens side by side and efficiently switching between the two to share data. But on a phone screen, I wont be able to switch and share data the same way.

There are other use cases where this level of multi-tasking is not needed, but my point of view is that for this level of multi-tasking, the screen needs to be bigger and UI needs to adapt to allow such multi-tasking.

There will be a point when phones already are or will be powerful enough that one can plug in to big screens to perform productivity tasks that are not possible on a small screen.
What about multitasking where you don't do something as extensive as Excel or Matlab, but just some information from one app that you want to be visible while you are in another app (e.g., something from a message or a website that you are referencing while typing an email)?
 

epicrayban

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I understand people want more out of a device. But this thread is asking if Apple can somehow "catch up" to the hardware on the s6. I'm sure Apple if they wanted could all a sudden add boatloads of new things that on paper would satisfy the people in this thread. But that's not how Apple does things. They've always moved at their own pace. My point was that people all a sudden felt like Apple "needed" to do these things now, when there's absolutely no evidence to show they do. Samsungs marketing for the last several years has been exactly what I read here: all the extra things it can do iPhone can't. Yet I don't see Apple suffering at all. In fact it was Samsung who lost with their s5.

Again can Apple do it? Sure. Do they need to like some say? I don't think so, and evidence shows they're doing well and not "suffering"

Okay, I think we're finally getting somewhere. Take a breath and try to follow me:

You truly see nothing wrong with the fact that Apple, as you say, don't need to do this? The fact that they don't need to even though they can. Because I agree with you; they totally have the power and resources to add the things some of us are asking for. In fact, I've said pretty much the same thing many times over. That it is not so much that they're adding "just the right amount" each time but that they can get away with not adding as much as they can. In other words, they are not competing to the same level others are.

Hang on. Stay with me...

In fact, I agree with you that they don't need to do much if you're looking solely at their profits. Again, I've argued that Apple is far from doom.

But don't you see that that's exactly the problem? I said this a gazillion times before: if all you want to see is money/profits, then of course Apple can do whatever the heck they want. But therein lies the danger and problem! Can you look beyond money/profits, and look to the user experience and everything relating to how that user experience can get better?

Let me help you some more:

Try to imagine if the branding wasn't there for Apple, if the loyalty wasn't there, do you think they'd be doing things differently? (Serious question). Do you?

Do you think they might be doing things at a different pace (read: faster)? Try to think about that and then try to understand why it's a concern that when some people are discussing wanting more hardware/software features, all we get in response is "Apple is making tons of money; they don't need to add any of these hardware/software features you want."

Really, try to think about that and why some argue that's not the way it should be.

Again, if it's hard to imagine, I gave you and others a scenario where it's a bit easier to fathom what I'm saying: just reverse the roles. Imagine if it was Apple that was offering new hardware features, screen sizes, near desktop-like capabilities on a smartphone, etc. etc.! And then imagine it was the other OEMs that stuck with a 4" screen for multiple years or stuck it out with minimal RAM or refused to allow for customizations, or refused full email attachments, etc. etc. etc. Where would those companies be today?

This is precisely why I argue that Apple's success is largely due in part to their brand and their customer base loyalty, and not because they are competing at the level others are competing. You've said as much yourself, except you think there's nothing wrong with it!

That is the fundamental difference between our two schools of thought.

I really hope that helped you see our side of the picture.
 

epicrayban

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Most of the responses are one liners without any real explanation, I would prefer more credible responses. But suit yourself.

Maybe I am in the minority here, the multi-tasking that I use on a PC cannot be used efficiently on a small screen and the UI to suit the small screen. Take for example two applications that share data on a PC (Matlab and Excel), I can work on two screens side by side and efficiently switching between the two to share data. But on a phone screen, I wont be able to switch and share data the same way.

There are other use cases where this level of multi-tasking is not needed, but my point of view is that for this level of multi-tasking, the screen needs to be bigger and UI needs to adapt to allow such multi-tasking.

There will be a point when phones already are or will be powerful enough that one can plug in to big screens to perform productivity tasks that are not possible on a small screen.

Well that's why we're "reaching" desktop like capabilities and not we "have" desktop capabilities. We gotta start somewhere. Why should we stop where apple decides to stop? More importantly, why isn't the worlds most advanced mobile operating system trying to achieve similar capabilities? Who's the advanced one?

And what you're essentially saying is if it can't do said feature perfectly or exactly like it can be done on a desktop computer, then its not worth doing at all. Isn't that folly?

We've done nothing but attempt to mimic desktop functions. From browsing to email to full keyboards to searching for information to mapping to communicating to playing games and consuming media. Were all those ventures perfect recreations of the desktop counter part? Hardly.

And as others have pointed out, there are many things one can do with say multitasking. You don't have to be able to perfectly do everything in order to have the feature exist. It should get better over time of course but that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen at all. Because if that's the mentality you want to take, then where would we be? We would've never bothered with creating a mobile browser then (and much more). Isn't the whole idea to have the power of a computer in the palm of your hands? When did we stop pursuing this goal? When apple decided to stop?

That's not how it should be. And that's not what should be defended.
 

Technarchy

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Most of the responses are one liners without any real explanation, I would prefer more credible responses. But suit yourself.

It would behoove you to get more educated on Samsung multitasking with the S5, Note 4 and S6.

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I might have a special gs6 but I get 6 hours of on screen time every charge and I'm a power user

Same here. 4.5 - 5.5 hours of SOT is where I end most days.

Part of the issue is everyone reviewed the T-mobile version which had software issues that resulted in higher battery drain when it first dropped.

I'm on AT&T and the battery life has been on par with my Note 4. Comfortably so without using power saving mode since getting the recent update.
 
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Truefan31

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Can Apple close the gap to the S6's hardware?

Okay, I think we're finally getting somewhere. Take a breath and try to follow me:



You truly see nothing wrong with the fact that Apple, as you say, don't need to do this? The fact that they don't need to even though they can. Because I agree with you; they totally have the power and resources to add the things some of us are asking for. In fact, I've said pretty much the same thing many times over. That it is not so much that they're adding "just the right amount" each time but that they can get away with not adding as much as they can. In other words, they are not competing to the same level others are.



Hang on. Stay with me...



In fact, I agree with you that they don't need to do much if you're looking solely at their profits. Again, I've argued that Apple is far from doom.



But don't you see that that's exactly the problem? I said this a gazillion times before: if all you want to see is money/profits, then of course Apple can do whatever the heck they want. But therein lies the danger and problem! Can you look beyond money/profits, and look to the user experience and everything relating to how that user experience can get better?



Let me help you some more:



Try to imagine if the branding wasn't there for Apple, if the loyalty wasn't there, do you think they'd be doing things differently? (Serious question). Do you?



Do you think they might be doing things at a different pace (read: faster)? Try to think about that and then try to understand why it's a concern that when some people are discussing wanting more hardware/software features, all we get in response is "Apple is making tons of money; they don't need to add any of these hardware/software features you want."



Really, try to think about that and why some argue that's not the way it should be.



Again, if it's hard to imagine, I gave you and others a scenario where it's a bit easier to fathom what I'm saying: just reverse the roles. Imagine if it was Apple that was offering new hardware features, screen sizes, near desktop-like capabilities on a smartphone, etc. etc.! And then imagine it was the other OEMs that stuck with a 4" screen for multiple years or stuck it out with minimal RAM or refused to allow for customizations, or refused full email attachments, etc. etc. etc. Where would those companies be today?



This is precisely why I argue that Apple's success is largely due in part to their brand and their customer base loyalty, and not because they are competing at the level others are competing. You've said as much yourself, except you think there's nothing wrong with it!



That is the fundamental difference between our two schools of thought.



I really hope that helped you see our side of the picture.


I think Apple is focused on improving user experience just as much as others If not more. It's why they have a big following. It's why they control iOS. They push updates out in a timely manner to flagship devices. It may not be for everyone but again evidently it's really good and has been growing since 2007. I get it, the s6 is a great phone. But it's still tw over android, and most owners I know have turned off a slew of things, or rooted at the risk of voiding warranty, or installed launchers. Does the s6 have lollipop yet?

Apples brand is strong because their products are strong. The same people that are supposedly smart enough to want more and more features and think Apple is needing to compete more, are also too dumb and buy whatever has an apple logo? That doesn't make sense.

Again there's seemingly a very small group of people here that think Apple isn't competing. And that's fine. There's other options out there. But the evidence shows an overwhelming majority that enjoy and are happy with the iPhone. The sales are a reflection of that, year after year after year. They may not be satisfying your feeling of competing at the pace you want but Apple imo is doing a great job. They're ecosystem is their focus, that's imo where their innovation will be in the future. iPhones, iPads, macs, watch, TV, and the apps/services as a whole is what their goal is. And it's pretty impressive, enough that others try to copy.
 
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apolloa

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I think Apple is focused on improving user experience just as much as others If not more. It's why they have a big following. It's why they control iOS. They push updates out in a timely manner to flagship devices. It may not be for everyone but again evidently it's really good and has been growing since 2007. I get it, the s6 is a great phone. But it's still tw over android, and most owners I know have turned off a slew of things, or rooted at the risk of voiding warranty, or installed launchers. Does the s6 have lollipop yet?

Apples brand is strong because their products are strong. The same people that are supposedly smart enough to want more and more features and think Apple is needing to compete more, are also too dumb and buy whatever has an apple logo? That doesn't make sense.

Again there's seemingly a very small group of people here that think Apple isn't competing. And that's fine. There's other options out there. But the evidence shows an overwhelming majority that enjoy and are happy with the iPhone. The sales are a reflection of that, year after year after year. They may not be satisfying your feeling of competing at the pace you want but Apple imo is doing a great job. They're ecosystem is their focus, that's imo where their innovation will be in the future. iPhones, iPads, macs, watch, TV, and the apps/services as a whole is what their goal is. And it's pretty impressive, enough that others try to copy.

I would argue the exact opposite on the 'user experience' because of iOS. It was fine as iOS6, than iOS7 was such a horrid change it made me switch! And then we have iOS8 which is full of bugs, so much so Apple have since stated that iOS9 will in fact concentrate on fixing all those bugs and not adding new features! Plus the way iOS8 slows down devices that are only 3 years old for no reason at all is daft, they constantly bug you to update the OS only for it to then crippled your device, that is not a 'good user experience'.
iOS 'used' to offer a nice experience, now it is slow and clunky and full of bugs. Apple need to and must fix it.
 
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Vegastouch

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It would behoove you to get more educated on Samsung multitasking with the S5, Note 4 and S6.

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Same here. 4.5 - 5.5 hours of SOT is where I end most days.

Part of the issue is everyone reviewed the T-mobile version which had software issues that resulted in higher battery drain when it first dropped.

I'm on AT&T and the battery life has been on par with my Note 4. Comfortably so without using power saving mode since getting the recent update.
Hmm, i have T-Mobile so maybe thats why mine isnt quite as good as a couple people in here are getting. Either way im going to charge it up every night and it easily lasts the work day. Hopefully the 5.1.1 update will give even better battery life.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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Same here. 4.5 - 5.5 hours of SOT is where I end most days.

Part of the issue is everyone reviewed the T-mobile version which had software issues that resulted in higher battery drain when it first dropped.

I'm on AT&T and the battery life has been on par with my Note 4. Comfortably so without using power saving mode since getting the recent update.

I'm on T-mobile. About 20% drain at 45min on max brightness. Most of it playing NFS MW. That's close to 4 hours in calculation, give or take variables. So I can't complain at all, but hopefully the update makes battery life even better.

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greentwo

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Well that's why we're "reaching" desktop like capabilities and not we "have" desktop capabilities. We gotta start somewhere. Why should we stop where apple decides to stop? More importantly, why isn't the worlds most advanced mobile operating system trying to achieve similar capabilities? Who's the advanced one?

And what you're essentially saying is if it can't do said feature perfectly or exactly like it can be done on a desktop computer, then its not worth doing at all. Isn't that folly?

We've done nothing but attempt to mimic desktop functions. From browsing to email to full keyboards to searching for information to mapping to communicating to playing games and consuming media. Were all those ventures perfect recreations of the desktop counter part? Hardly.

And as others have pointed out, there are many things one can do with say multitasking. You don't have to be able to perfectly do everything in order to have the feature exist. It should get better over time of course but that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen at all. Because if that's the mentality you want to take, then where would we be? We would've never bothered with creating a mobile browser then (and much more). Isn't the whole idea to have the power of a computer in the palm of your hands? When did we stop pursuing this goal? When apple decided to stop?

That's not how it should be. And that's not what should be defended.

This reminds me of a video I saw awhile back demonstrating Samsung's multitasking. I thought it was pretty cool how the video was comparing an old Note 2 to a PC. I never realize the flexibility of samsung's multitasking until I saw this video. :cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nh2NSLgaII
 

skratch77

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Did that guy complaining about the gs6 and talking about tw and multi tasking just ask if the gs6 is even on lollipop?

Seriously if you need to ask that then you know nothing about the phone and how it runs.
 

Truefan31

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Did that guy complaining about the gs6 and talking about tw and multi tasking just ask if the gs6 is even on lollipop?



Seriously if you need to ask that then you know nothing about the phone and how it runs.


I asked if lollipop is out on s6, which is a no right? And I'm not the one complaining about the s6.
 

Truefan31

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I would argue the exact opposite on the 'user experience' because of iOS. It was fine as iOS6, than iOS7 was such a horrid change it made me switch! And then we have iOS8 which is full of bugs, so much so Apple have since stated that iOS9 will in fact concentrate on fixing all those bugs and not adding new features! Plus the way iOS8 slows down devices that are only 3 years old for no reason at all is daft, they constantly bug you to update the OS only for it to then crippled your device, that is not a 'good user experience'.
iOS 'used' to offer a nice experience, now it is slow and clunky and full of bugs. Apple need to and must fix it.


You're free to argue that. But not everyone is having those issues in fact I'd argue most are happy that's why these phones keep selling.

Again your last sentence is another Apple will be doomed statement. When all the real evidence points to the opposite.
 

tbayrgs

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Lollipop is out for the gs3 and the gs6 launched with lollipop

No it's not for the GS3...not an official build. It's been confirmed there won't be one either.

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I would argue the exact opposite on the 'user experience' because of iOS. It was fine as iOS6, than iOS7 was such a horrid change it made me switch! And then we have iOS8 which is full of bugs, so much so Apple have since stated that iOS9 will in fact concentrate on fixing all those bugs and not adding new features! Plus the way iOS8 slows down devices that are only 3 years old for no reason at all is daft, they constantly bug you to update the OS only for it to then crippled your device, that is not a 'good user experience'.
iOS 'used' to offer a nice experience, now it is slow and clunky and full of bugs. Apple need to and must fix it.

You're bitching about software updates on 3 year old phones? Tell us, how far back do Android OEM's commit to updating their flagships? How about Google? (I'll give you a hint...it isn't three years ;)).

You know what's asinine--expecting 3 year old phones to run software as smoothly as their brand new counterparts. :rolleyes:

FWIW, we have 2 original IPad Minis (basically iPad 2 hardware) and an iPhone 4S running iOS 8 just fine. Are they as snappy as the current crop of iOS devices? No, of course not, but they also haven't ground to a halt...they're used everyday without complaint.
 

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Can Apple close the gap to the S6's hardware?

Gotta wonder about posting credibility after asking if Galaxy S6 had Lollipop.

When everyone knows it shipped with it.


Lol credibility with what? Please explain. So the s6 shipped with the latest android version?
 
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