Can Apple close the gap to the S6's hardware?

[I7guy]

What? I never said I knew anything about Samsung's R&D. Get your stories straight.

If you don't care, you sure are spending a lot of time in a thread that wants to discuss these things (not to mention pretty much nearly this entire subforum).

"I don't care what the next guy wants."

"I'm not here to pick up after your lost cause"

So, is this your carefully worded admission you're here to troll? Sounds like it. If you're not here to have an honest conversation why visit these threads and even participate in them with all your irrelevant and/or false points? Again, only conclusion I can draw is that you're trolling.

Either you care and want to participate in this discussion with honest points, or you don't and you should take your leave and let others who do care continue the discussion. If you want to talk about Apple profits, start a thread. If you don't want to do any of these things, yet are still here, you're trolling.

Hopefully the mods put an end to your insistence on name calling. Floating an opinion is not trolling because you DONT agree with any of the opinions. As another poster said this is all in fun and even less as this is a discussion board of opinions and nothing is going to come of it in reality.

If you read your post 491 you implied you knew about profit margins and not sure what you were trying to say as you reference and yes it was Apolloa who knew how much the internals cost of a Samsung device as it was said to be "more expensive".

At any rate a lot of F.u.d. going around.

 

[Truefan31]

I'm sure if force touch comes ( I think it wouldn't til the 7 imo) it'll be implemented well like Touch ID. And most likely you'll see a version of it on Samsung devices.

 

[epicrayban]

I'm sure if force touch comes ( I think it wouldn't til the 7 imo) it'll be implemented well like Touch ID. And most likely you'll see a version of it on Samsung devices.

Samsung Strong Touch. Heh.

Hm, the rumors peg it for the iPhone 6S. Didn't Touch ID come to the iPHone 5S? I could see Force Touch happening sooner.

I think Apple needs to make it happen sooner.

 

[Truefan31]

Samsung Strong Touch. Heh.



Hm, the rumors peg it for the iPhone 6S. Didn't Touch ID come to the iPHone 5S? I could see Force Touch happening sooner.



I think Apple needs to make it happen sooner.

Well I hope ur right that it's sooner at least lol

 

[mi7chy]

Force Touch seems like a silly gimmick to substitute for the lack of a right mouse button or maybe touch-and-hold. Haven't seen any clear examples where it would be useful.

 

[tbayrgs]

Anyway, can we bring this topic back on course? I'm curious about real world feedback on this whole Force Touch movement. Sounds gimmicky to me. Will it be a difference maker in the iPhone 6S if it really does come to it? Not that I think the screen will shatter or anything, but I'm reluctant to ever push "hard" on a screen of any of my devices...

IMHO, Force Touch is Apple's first truly significant innovation is quite a while. Having used it on a few occasions on Macs in the Apple Store and now on my Apple Watch, I'm quite amazed by the feature. The feature on the Mac is so well implemented from a hardware perspective that it truly fools the brain--you swear the touchpad is moving and even more so when you use the multiple 'layers' i.e. scrubbing speed in a video. It will be really interesting to see how both Apple and developers can utilize the functionality in their software--and this is where its usefulness will be determined. I think the possibilities on something like the rumored iPad Pro are really intriguing as well.

I find it really helpful on a device with limited screen real estate like the Apple Watch as it allows quick access to a new set of options that would otherwise require lots of scrolling. And don't worry about possible damage to your device or display--you don't have to push that hard, just slightly harder than a typical touch.

 

[epicrayban]

IMHO, Force Touch is Apple's first truly significant innovation is quite a while. Having used it on a few occasions on Macs in the Apple Store and now on my Apple Watch, I'm quite amazed by the feature. The feature on the Mac is so well implemented from a hardware perspective that it truly fools the brain--you swear the touchpad is moving and even more so when you use the multiple 'layers' i.e. scrubbing speed in a video. It will be really interesting to see how both Apple and developers can utilize the functionality in their software--and this is where its usefulness will be determined. I think the possibilities on something like the rumored iPad Pro are really intriguing as well.

I find it really helpful on a device with limited screen real estate like the Apple Watch as it allow quick access to a new set of options that would otherwise require lots of scrolling. And don't worry about possible damage to your device or display--you don't have to push that hard, just slightly harder than a typical touch.

What's the difference between force touch and long press?

 

[tbayrgs]

What's the difference between force touch and long press?

One involves holding you finger in place for a longer duration of time while the other is pushing with additional pressure.

 

[mi7chy]

Seems more work to exert more pressure with force touch than touching the screen a little longer with long press. It's like Mac OS X's annoying default click to select versus tap to select like on the address bar.

 

[chabig]

Seems more work to force touch than touching the screen a little longer with long press.

It's a different gesture for different results.

 

[tbayrgs]

Seems more work to force touch than touching the screen a little longer with long press.

What about pressure sensitivity? Long press adds one additional layer while pressure sensitive force touch can have how ever many layers the hardware will allow.

 

[mi7chy]

What about pressure sensitivity? Long press adds one additional layer while pressure sensitive force touch can have how ever many layers the hardware will allow.

Sounds like a PITA and going backwards in user experience. Do you think it's easy to gauge how much pressure to exert to do what you want even with practice? In comparison, long press to bring up a drop down menu is easy and fool proof. Force touch seems more like trying to be different than trying to improve the user experience.

 

[C DM]

Sounds like a PITA and going backwards in user experience. Do you think it's easy to gauge how much pressure to exert to do what you want even with practice? In comparison, long press to bring up a drop down menu is easy and fool proof. Force touch seems more like trying to be different than trying to improve the user experience.

Sounds like probably something that some people won't truly get until they experience it and use it for a at least a bit.

 

[Truefan31]

Samsung Strong Touch. Heh.



Hm, the rumors peg it for the iPhone 6S. Didn't Touch ID come to the iPHone 5S? I could see Force Touch happening sooner.



I think Apple needs to make it happen sooner.

I guess this is where we disagree. U feel like Apple needs to do things but for the most part Apple does their own thing. What evidence is there shows that Apple is suffering right now? Because of the s6?

There's always been other phones that have higher specs on paper. Was the iPhone 5 a monumental leap from the 4s? Bigger screen, lte are what comes to mind. Yet it sold very well. 5s brought Touch ID. Imo a great feature, one that took Samsung 2 years to get right by what others say. So the 6 brought bigger screen sizes and Apple pay. It sold at record pace. I expect the 6s to have internal improvements and maybe a feature like force touch. And it'll sell well, based on the past and present.

Sales are not the end all be all but it's important. Sales are why you have a revamped Galaxy s6. In the end it's all about money. It's why the s6 now has no removable battery no sd card no waterproofing. It's a page out of Apples playbook. And it seems to be working. But I don't see some need now for Apple to drastically incorporate a bunch of features. Would it be nice? I guess so if it's done well. But it isn't a dire need to all but a few who don't like iOS. And that's ok. It's why there's options.

The thread asks can Apple, sure they can imo. But do they have to? There's nothing saying they have to other than a small group who feel so. They typically incorporate new features well, provide great after sales support and updates, and are consistent with the core experience. The issue facing Samsung is they're own competition within android. Lg, Sony, one plus, xiaomi all are fighting and little by little hurting Samsung more than Apple due to Apple only using iOS.

 

[tbayrgs]

Sounds like a PITA and going backwards in user experience. Do you think it's easy to gauge how much pressure to exert to do what you want even with practice? In comparison, long press to bring up a drop down menu is easy and fool proof. Force touch seems more like trying to be different than trying to improve the user experience.

So the 2000+ levels of pressure sensitivity Wacom has on a number of their devices is just a gimmick as well--how ever do people manage to use such things?

Try using it before you criticize. Sounds an awful lot like the oft criticized 'A feature isn't useful or innovative until Apple does it' in reverse. They put it on a Samsung device and I bet you're crowing about its usefulness.

 

[jamezr]

So the 2000+ levels of pressure sensitivity Wacom has on a number of their devices is just a gimmick as well--how ever do people manage to use such things?

Try using it before you criticize. Sounds an awful lot like the oft criticized 'A feature isn't useful or innovative until Apple does it' in reverse. They put it on a Samsung device and I bet you're crowing about its usefulness.

I don't think force touch is all that different than long press TBH. But equating force touch to a Wacom tablet is a little overkill. Look at long press......just press and hold briefly and you can go to settings and change your wallpaper among other things. How many false force touches will there be? Press to hard by mistake and get the wrong options. I mean this can either be a really nifty feature or in an episode of when features go bad.....

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

So the 2000+ levels of pressure sensitivity Wacom has on a number of their devices is just a gimmick as well--how ever do people manage to use such things?

Try using it before you criticize. Sounds an awful lot like the oft criticized 'A feature isn't useful or innovative until Apple does it' in reverse. They put it on a Samsung device and I bet you're crowing about its usefulness.

I think plenty of people had the same impression, and rightfully so. Especially for those that never used Wacom pads.

 

[Technarchy]

I don't know if I'd go that far, but like someone else said, Apple knew the redesign and the larger size would drive sales; they just didn't need to do very much. Couple that with the strong Apple branding, and you have runaway sales even without bringing anything seriously new to the table.

There's only two phones I've ever dumped asap. One is the S4 and the other is the iPhone 6. Both are just lack luster devices.

Mind you samsung sold a lot of S4's, doesn't make it good in my book either.

I'm hoping the 6S and ios 9 restores order to Apple's house.

 

[tbayrgs]

I don't think force touch is all that different than long press TBH. But equating force touch to a Wacom tablet is a little overkill. Look at long press......just press and hold briefly and you can go to settings and change your wallpaper among other things. How many false force touches will there be? Press to hard by mistake and get the wrong options. I mean this can either be a really nifty feature or in an episode of when features go bad.....

Yes, the Wacom analogy was a touch extreme but the point still applies. If force touch was only a single touch option, I'd agree--what's the point? But the possibilities lie in the pressure levels. It's not that delicate or difficult to use (talking about the Mac touchpad at this point).

Here's a great example of its use in an application, something that cannot be replicated with a long press. You don't think the same type of functionality could be useful on a iPhone or iPad? If not, I guess we'll just agree to disagree.

 

[jamezr]

Yes, the Wacom analogy was a touch extreme but the point still applies. If force touch was only a single touch option, I'd agree--what's the point. But the possibilities lie in the pressure levels. It's not that delicate or difficult to use (talking about the Mac touchpad at this point).

Here's a great example of its use in an application, something that cannot be replicated with a long press. You don't think the same type of functionality could be useful on a iPhone or iPad? If not, I guess we'll just agree to disagree.

It sounds very interesting and I look forward to trying it out. I just have reservations about using the same of amount of force to get the same result everytime. I can't even do this now on my iphone with TouchId.

 

[mi7chy]

Here's a great example of its use in an application, something that cannot be replicated with a long press. You don't think the same type of functionality could be useful on a iPhone or iPad? If not, I guess we'll just agree to disagree.

Article even implies that it's a quick gimmick and no way an alternative for a Wacom tablet. It's more like a square steering wheel which is different but not better than round.

 

[tbayrgs]

Article even implies that it's a quick gimmick and no way an alternative for a Wacom tablet. It's more like a square steering wheel which is different but not better than round.

I don't think anyone is under the impression it's a replacement for something like a professional drawing tablet. Those users likely wouldn't be using Pixelmator anyways. But it is offering functionality you can't get on other consumer level laptops.

 

[mi7chy]

But it is offering functionality you can't get on other consumer level laptops.

What functionality is that, screen distortion? iPad Air 2 already suffers from screen distortion from pressure on the back merely holding it. Better hope it's better thought out if they put it in the next iPad so you don't also get screen distortion from pressure on the front. Better yet drop the gimmick and put in a proper pen digitizer.

 

[tbayrgs]

What functionality is that, screen distortion? iPad Air 2 already suffers from screen distortion from pressure on the back merely holding it. Better hope it's better thought out if they put it in the next iPad so you don't also get screen distortion from pressure on the front. Better yet drop the gimmick and put in a proper pen digitizer.

Beyond pointing out that fact that I was discussing a Mac application on a LAPTOP and you rebut with an iPad flaw, I'm moving on since you have no intention of an actual discussion. Cheers.

 

[Abazigal]

It's clear that Apple is uniquely positioned in the industry it's in.

I can't think of any other industry where this is true: where the slower innovator and the less feature-rich offerer is the industry leader. And not just the industry leader, but continues to break sales and influence the media so strongly.

Where else is this true? Not anywhere I can think of. So yes, one might regurgitate exactly what Apple wants you to believe, that the pace they release things is simply due to a more "focused" approach. And this is the reason why they're wildly successful, because this focus offers a better core experience.

I argue this is simply no longer true. It was true at a time when Apple was the only one that could offer a true smartphone experience. But it's different now, and Apple is finding success still by riding on that momentum it first built when there was literally no one that could compete with them. They maximized their advantage to full effect, and now, with that strong reputation and brand recognition, can essentially get away with near anything, including continue keeping a 4" screen despite industry and market/public demand.

I ask again, who else would get away with what Apple is doing? They are selling an image, a brand, a reputation, a pedigree, and not necessarily the best smartphone nor the most advanced mobile operating system.

And it's working like -- wait for it -- magic.

I still don't get why you think Apple is the slower innovator here. You yourself already admit that you can't fathom why this is so. Maybe that's precisely the point - that you are wrong, rather than the rest of the world being wrong. That Apple devices are both fully-featured and sport great specs. Apple is simply competing in ways that cannot be listed down in specs, but it doesn't mean that they are not competing.

You seem fixated almost exclusively on hardware features and software features in a silo, while neglecting how well Apple devices work together. You want to know what I think Apple should do better? It's improving their software and services. Not the hardware, because it's becoming painfully clear that their software cannot keep up with the hardware advancements. Not releasing a ton of half-baked features like on Android. Rather, improve how well my Apple devices play with one another and make its services more reliable and consistent. Things like Airplay mirroring is an excellent example of how 2 seemingly innocuous products (Apple TV and iPad) can come together to deliver a unique and amazing result (I use it so I can control the interactive whiteboard in class while still being able to walk around in the classroom and it still never fails to impress me).

Let's compare Samsung and Apple for argument's sake. Is Samsung managing an app store the scale of Apple's, or developing the Metal API, or managing a plethora of cloud services, or linking everything together with continuity and handoff? From what I have seen over the past couple of years, Apple isn't slacking off at all. They are working at breakneck pace. They have just redesigned iOS and OS X and introduced a ton of new features and tied everything together, and these achievements somehow all count for nothing simply because their iPhone still sports a 1.2 mp front camera?