Can Apple close the gap to the S6's hardware?

[Truefan31]

People are asking for apple to compete more. Not to add everything android has per se.



This fear that the majority of apple users can't handle more features is absurd. What have those that just use phone calls and text messages and other basic features of the iPhone lost when apple added features each year?



Nothing.



And in some areas, apple is falling pathetically behind. 1.2 mp front facing camera?

Again I don't get this. People are asking for Apple to compete more. Who are these people, other than u and a very small group here? What evidence is there that Apple isn't competing, because it seems there's more evidence showing Apple doing well in competition.

 

[Vegastouch]

No, our point is simply that what makes Apple devices attractive to their users may well involve intangible factors that cannot be distilled into a number on a spec sheet. It's easy to say "Do more", but sure are you that people are getting more of what they want, instead of being saddled with more issues to contend with?

Apple's sales figures have shown that their target market simply isn't all that sensitive to specs. Why then do people keep thinking that pumping specs in their devices is the way to go?

Not everything that can be measured (like PPI, amount of ram, megapixels in a camera) matters to the end user, just as not everything which matters can be measured (like how do you measure silly-smooth scrolling in the Safari browser, or the utility from getting an app like Periscope on the iPhone first?)

It's not that Apple shouldn't do anything, but rather, that the features you are proposing may well not appeal all that much to iOS users, because they are using Apple devices for a wholly different reason and may have different expectations from their devices compared to Android users.

For example, Apple is widely expected to showcase Homekit this WWDC. That may be what people want, for Apple to take what would otherwise be complex technology and implement it in a seamless and intuitive manner that takes all the friction out of using them. For these people, nothing else really matters.

Good points but the camera is usually a biggy for most everyone as well. I dont have an iPhone so i dont know how the pictures compare to the GS6 with its 8MP camera. The front camera should no doubt be better. Who wants to Facetime with a crappy camera? Even the Nexus 5 had a 1.3 MP front camera and it was nearly half the price.

However, i do believe that Apple gets a lot of sales just from its name and logo. For instance, Beats is a popular brand and the bluetooth speakers are popular but they arent cheap. I have a JBL Charge that is half the price( in many cases less than half the price) that i think sounds better but some people (mostly younger people and kids) wont hear of it. Its a Beats afterall.

 

[epicrayban]

Again I don't get this. People are asking for Apple to compete more. Who are these people, other than u and a very small group here? What evidence is there that Apple isn't competing, because it seems there's more evidence showing Apple doing well in competition.

Ah, good ol' argument #1... how long has it been since we last heard you?

And the problem is we run inevitably into apologists who always say some form of or combination of 1) apple doesn't need to because of sales or 2) apple doesn't need to because I don't mind that type of hardware and/or I don't happen to need that specific software feature(s).

Again, if you think Apple's success has more to do with them competing on a hardware and software front, and less about their branding, I submit this:

I put this example out there again to prove my point that branding is largely responsible for carrying apple.

Please imagine the tables turned. In a world where apple is the one that first introduces larger screen devices with multiple options, first to add more ram, continue to add higher mega pixel counts to their cameras, first to offer waterproof smartphones, first to offer expandable storage or even easy user replaceable batteries, first to the stylus that's made the Samsung note series so popular, or first to front facing speakers! Imagine apple being the one first to do widgets and customizable software. Imagine them allowing to set any defaults, or first to faster and easier one handed gesture typing. Etc!

And then imagine all their completion sticking to one screen size for multiple years. Or sticking to 1.2 mp front facing cameras or 8mp cameras. Or refusing to offer full email attachments, or not allow users to share to whatever app they want or give them any of the freedoms Apple's given them in this imagined world, etc.

Where would those competitors be? Without the branding and the influence of the media, they'd be gone. Long gone.

But apple gets away with it. They get away with it with record breaking sales.

There are many things we should be thankful that apple started and influenced. There is no doubt that their reputation and strong branding is arguably deserved. More power to them. But there should also be no doubt that the competition has caught up in most areas and in some have even surpassed them wildly. And despite sales, that's not something to ignore when the user experience on the iPhone is starting to feel dated and unequipped.

We already know Apple does not compete to the degree others do. They focus on a few key features and implement a few new things, but leave the rest largely either unchanged (how long did it take to increase screen size?), or upgraded only minimally. They don't compete hardware-wise. The specs and numbers are there. Sure, specs don't' always translate to the best user experience, it's not a guarantee, but it doesn't take away either. And sometimes specs do matter. Megapixel count to zoom into pictures for details matters for those who want to. RAM matters for those who browse with more than a few tabs opened at the same time. Screen size and quality matter (the S6 screen easily beats the iPhone 6 screen).

Also, how come Apple is given universal praise for 64-bit processor? Talk about specs not really mattering. How has 64-bit transformed or improved your iPhone experience in the past year its been out? This is called future-proofing, and when Apple does it, hooray it's forward thinking. When others do it, specs don't matter nor translate to end user experience. Just astonishing. I praise Apple for future-proofing, but also others for attempting to do the same.

And it's nearly the same story on the software side, which I've already gone into a lot.

But the Apple branding allows them to get away with this. The Apple-influenced media allows them to get away with this.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Not everything that can be measured (like PPI, amount of ram, megapixels in a camera) matters to the end user, just as not everything which matters can be measured (like how do you measure silly-smooth scrolling in the Safari browser, or the utility from getting an app like Periscope on the iPhone first?)

The average consumer recognizes "better". To the average consumer a better screen is a better screen, not more PPI.

The mass public mainly goes for the best that they can afford, and even sometimes the best that they can barely or can't afford.

Plenty of times, the average consumer doesn't know the reason of why something is better. But they do rely on word of mouth and reviews(think consumer reports and blogs) to tell them.

Apple should be concerned with holding on to the "best" title on every aspect they can, cause that's what made the iPhone a household name in the first place. Every time a specific aspect of the iPhone is no longer considered the "best", it comes closer to becoming yesterday's device.

 

[tbayrgs]

To get back to topic, not only should the front camera of the iPhone become more competitive (currently a measly 1.2 mp), the back should too.

The iPhone 6 doesn't have more than 8 mp and doesn't have hardware optical image stabilization. The s6 beats the iPhone in both these categories.

No disagreement here, though it's only with the latest Galaxy S6 that Samsung adopted a 5MP unit for the front camera. The S5 was only 2MP. Let's see what Apple offers this fall before criticizing further.

While I appreciate the quality of the shots produced by the current 8MP sensor, it definitely could stand a bump up to allow for greater detail. I just don't want more MP for the sake of having more MP--let's make sure the quality is maintained.

 

[epicrayban]

SNIPPED....

And weren't you the one that asked why anyone would want desktop-like capabilities? I don't know if you saw my post addressing that question, but I have to say again...

Haven't we always been trying to mimic desktop like capabilities on the smartphone? Browsing? Full keyboards? Emails? Watching media? Ways of getting information from the web? Researching things or places to eat? Forms of communications? Games?!

But of course, where Apple decides to stop pursuing powerful desktop-like capabilities is where people like you say, "Hey, who wants anymore than that?" Convenient.

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No disagreement here, though it's only with the latest Galaxy S6 that Samsung adopted a 5MP unit for the front camera. The S5 was only 2MP. Let's see what Apple offers this fall before criticizing further.

While I appreciate the quality of the shots produced by the current 8MP sensor, it definitely could stand a bump up to allow for greater detail. I just don't want more MP for the sake of having more MP--let's make sure the quality is maintained.

Indeed. I have no doubt Apple will carry on its legacy of a reliable, fast, quality camera in the next iteration of the iPhone.

If Apple is always regarded as "professional-like" quality in their camera offerings, they should start living up to that standard. 8MPs isn't cutting it for anyone who wants to actually zoom in and see enough details. Low light standards should be met, too. Isn't Nokia Lumias regarded as best in low light? The S6 does wonderfully in low light as well.

Hardware optical image stabilization would be nice, too, in the default iPhone 6.

EDIT: I also believe the front 5MP of the S6 has wide angle lens or something, for wider selfies. Something like that...

 

[SusanK]

This is a forum of opinions. And yes negotiating for a car is exactly what you describe. Asking a business to take your money.

Car? It was an I/O board for a Mac. I don't buy cars from Micro Center.

 

[I7guy]

Car? It was an I/O board for a Mac. I don't buy cars from Micro Center.

Right but it was what is called an analogy. at any rate this sub-thread seems to be like the proverbial over beaten dead horse.

 

[Truefan31]

Ah, good ol' argument #1... how long has it been since we last heard you?



Again, if you think Apple's success has more to do with them competing on a hardware and software front, and less about their branding, I submit this:



We already know Apple does not compete to the degree others do. They focus on a few key features and implement a few new things, but leave the rest largely either unchanged (how long did it take to increase screen size?), or upgraded only minimally. They don't compete hardware-wise. The specs and numbers are there. Sure, specs don't' always translate to the best user experience, it's not a guarantee, but it doesn't take away either. And sometimes specs do matter. Megapixel count to zoom into pictures for details matters for those who want to. RAM matters for those who browse with more than a few tabs opened at the same time. Screen size and quality matter (the S6 screen easily beats the iPhone 6 screen).

Also, how come Apple is given universal praise for 64-bit processor? Talk about specs not really mattering. How has 64-bit transformed or improved your iPhone experience in the past year its been out? This is called future-proofing, and when Apple does it, hooray it's forward thinking. When others do it, specs don't matter nor translate to end user experience. Just astonishing. I praise Apple for future-proofing, but also others for attempting to do the same.

And it's nearly the same story on the software side, which I've already gone into a lot.

But the Apple branding allows them to get away with this. The Apple-influenced media allows them to get away with this.

But again I'm asking what evidence there is that Apple isn't competing well or they've lost they're competitive edge like said earlier. Where's the evidence? To just say it without any evidence of value is again just a feeling. The s6 is a great comeback by Samsung, something they needed desperately to compete with not only Apple but other android oems. The sales reflect this whether the naysayers agree or not. The s5 was a disappointment, hence the total makeover, borrowing design elements from Apple and copying some business elements as well. It's a good look for Samsung but to think all a sudden Apple isn't competing is laughable.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

But again I'm asking what evidence there is that Apple isn't competing well or they've lost they're competitive edge like said earlier. Where's the evidence? To just say it without any evidence of value is again just a feeling. The s6 is a great comeback by Samsung, something they needed desperately to compete with not only Apple but other android oems. The sales reflect this whether the naysayers agree or not. The s5 was a disappointment, hence the total makeover, borrowing design elements from Apple and copying some business elements as well. It's a good look for Samsung but to think all a sudden Apple isn't competing is laughable.

They said the same about Blackberry. Looks like between the 3GS and 4 is when BB started to tank.

Now I'm not saying Apple is headed anywhere near the same fate as Blackberry. But, to think the iPhone is safely planted at the number #1 position with Apple's current pace of advancing it, that's also laughable.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

To get back to topic, not only should the front camera of the iPhone become more competitive (currently a measly 1.2 mp), the back should too.



The iPhone 6 doesn't have more than 8 mp and doesn't have hardware optical image stabilization. The s6 beats the iPhone in both these categories.

The iPhone camera is pretty good though. I don't think any phone camera needs to exceed 8 or 10MP in reality. More effort should go into improving the sensor rather than boasting more MP as this is a figure that impresses the clueless more often than not. I agree the front facing camera could be improved for the selfie crowd, but for Skype and FaceTime it is more than sufficient.

I was pleased with the options that came with the iPhone 6 camera. More editing options but not too many to complicate matters. Having a baby daughter we find our DSLR cameras are used less these days and the phone has worked as a handy point and shoot. We regularly make albums for print and to be honest the iPhone 5 and 6 are superb when printed up to A4. I'm sure other cameras on phones out there are marginally better, it's just something that can be improved but isn't crying out to be right now. The camera on the iPhone 6 holds its own in the current marketplace and will likely get an upgrade for the next edition.

 

[Abazigal]

They said the same about Blackberry. Looks like between the 3GS and 4 is when BB started to tank.

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Now I'm not saying Apple is headed anywhere near the same fate as Blackberry. But, to think the iPhone is safely planted at the number #1 position with Apple's current pace of advancing it, that's also laughable.

And maybe Apple is, and maybe there is something we all aren't seeing.

As I said, Apple sells you the user experience. What equivalent to the Apple platform do companies like Samsung or even Google have?

If anything, Samsung has demonstrated that their strategy of relying solely on hardware with no ecosystem to call their own is really the worst and least sustainable strategy of them all!

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

And maybe Apple is, and maybe there is something we all aren't seeing.

As I said, Apple sells you the user experience. What equivalent to the Apple platform do companies like Samsung or even Google have?

If anything, Samsung has demonstrated that their strategy of relying solely on hardware with no ecosystem to call their own is really the worst and least sustainable strategy of them all!

Actually, user experience has been Samsung's focus too. Besides visual preference, there's really nothing to bash on TouchWiz about on the S6. It's just as easy to use as iOS and no signs of lag or jerkiness, and doesn't feel bloated at all. Don't think any user will feel a lack of user experience coming from an iPhone to the S6.

Samsung has also came out with Smartswitch which is a huge step forward in backups. Like I said previously, Android and/or Manufacturers of Android phones are not far from implementing a backup just as good as the iPhone.

Don't know why the assumption that Samsung is focusing strictly on just hardware.

 

[I7guy]

They said the same about Blackberry. Looks like between the 3GS and 4 is when BB started to tank.

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Now I'm not saying Apple is headed anywhere near the same fate as Blackberry. But, to think the iPhone is safely planted at the number #1 position with Apple's current pace of advancing it, that's also laughable.

There are obviously no guarantees in this world.

 

[I7guy]

And weren't you the one that asked why anyone would want desktop-like capabilities? I don't know if you saw my post addressing that question, but I have to say again...

Haven't we always been trying to mimic desktop like capabilities on the smartphone? Browsing? Full keyboards? Emails? Watching media? Ways of getting information from the web? Researching things or places to eat? Forms of communications? Games?!

But of course, where Apple decides to stop pursuing powerful desktop-like capabilities is where people like you say, "Hey, who wants anymore than that?" Convenient.

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Indeed. I have no doubt Apple will carry on its legacy of a reliable, fast, quality camera in the next iteration of the iPhone.

If Apple is always regarded as "professional-like" quality in their camera offerings, they should start living up to that standard. 8MPs isn't cutting it for anyone who wants to actually zoom in and see enough details. Low light standards should be met, too. Isn't Nokia Lumias regarded as best in low light? The S6 does wonderfully in low light as well.

Hardware optical image stabilization would be nice, too, in the default iPhone 6.

EDIT: I also believe the front 5MP of the S6 has wide angle lens or something, for wider selfies. Something like that...

The rear camera in the iPhone 6 has better color balance than the completion if you look at websites that show these comparisons. better iq is better than megapixels.

As far as the front camera, while more megapixels would be great its fit to purpose is fine. Selfies and FaceTime come out great.

While you are reviewing s spec sheet real world usage shows the i6 to hold its own with less megapixels.

 

[epicrayban]

Not sure what this is about: http://www.cnet.com/news/next-iphones-camera-may-get-a-pixel-boost-but-theres-a-trade-off/

 

[Truefan31]

They said the same about Blackberry. Looks like between the 3GS and 4 is when BB started to tank.

Image


Now I'm not saying Apple is headed anywhere near the same fate as Blackberry. But, to think the iPhone is safely planted at the number #1 position with Apple's current pace of advancing it, that's also laughable.

So you're not comparing Apple to blackberry but then you are. Okay. So again you just have a feeling. And while nobody can predict the future, Apple seems to be competing just fine based on tangible data like sales, brand recognition, resale value, etc.

 

[epicrayban]

But again I'm asking what evidence there is that Apple isn't competing well or they've lost they're competitive edge like said earlier. Where's the evidence? To just say it without any evidence of value is again just a feeling. The s6 is a great comeback by Samsung, something they needed desperately to compete with not only Apple but other android oems. The sales reflect this whether the naysayers agree or not. The s5 was a disappointment, hence the total makeover, borrowing design elements from Apple and copying some business elements as well. It's a good look for Samsung but to think all a sudden Apple isn't competing is laughable.

The evidence is there in the post I quoted. Did you read it? The numbers and specs are there to see. The feature lists are easy to look up and compare. Objectively speaking, apple is doing less, and are widlly successfil tegardless. How is that competing? Yes the experience is good and often reliable, but I submit that their success is largely because of branding and marketing and the influence it holds on the media. People don't know better. The reality though is that when you open yourself up to the android platform, you discover apple has little advantage in a few areas and android has the advantage in many more.

Again, if the only evidence you will accept is apples sales figures then indeed the iPhone must be the best smartphone both hardware wise and software wise. But I argue that it's a non sequitur to say sales = best. I argue the opposite. And further more, I argue that sales actually equates very little to evidence that apple is competing to the degree others are. Actual specs and features and capabilities should tell that story more, but all you people want to discuss is apples sales when we're talking about apple competing.

What can one do in the face of that? We keep saying, look at these numbers. Look what this phone can do that apple can't. Look how helpful or convenient or easier to use these features are. Or how forward thinking so and so is. And how we wish apple would also bring similar features to the iPhone. And all we get is, they don't need to. Look at their sales.

What a conversation.

 

[SusanK]

Right but it was what is called an analogy. at any rate this sub-thread seems to be like the proverbial over beaten dead horse.

Agreed. That poor horse is Bil-Jac by now. Have a good day

 

[epicrayban]

So you're not comparing Apple to blackberry but then you are. Okay. So again you just have a feeling. And while nobody can predict the future, Apple seems to be competing just fine based on tangible data like sales, brand recognition, resale value, etc.

Maybe what's happening here is a misunderstanding of what we mean when we say "competing". This thread is about apple hardware.

Note, we are not talking about sales. Anybody talking about sales would be stupid to say apple is not successful. In fact, I argue apple is wildly successful and will continue being for a long time. Reread my posts if you have to. Nothing there says apple is somehow doomed or whatever.

 

[I7guy]

Not sure what this is about: http://www.cnet.com/news/next-iphones-camera-may-get-a-pixel-boost-but-theres-a-trade-off/

It's about click bait. Nobody outside of Apple could know what Apple is doing much less speculate on image quality.

 

[Abazigal]

The evidence is there in the post I quoted. Did you read it? The numbers and specs are there to see. The feature lists are easy to look up and compare. Objectively speaking, apple is doing less, and are widlly successfil tegardless. How is that competing? Yes the experience is good and often reliable, but I submit that their success is largely because of branding and marketing and the influence it holds on the media. People don't know better. The reality though is that when you open yourself up to the android platform, you discover apple has little advantage in a few areas and android has the advantage in many more.

Again, if the only evidence you will accept is apples sales figures then indeed the iPhone must be the best smartphone both hardware wise and software wise. But I argue that it's a non sequitur to say sales = best. I argue the opposite. And further more, I argue that sales actually equates very little to evidence that apple is competing to the degree others are. Actual specs and features and capabilities should tell that story more, but all you people want to discuss is apples sales when we're talking about apple competing.

What can one do in the face of that? We keep saying, look at these numbers. Look what this phone can do that apple can't. Look how helpful or convenient or easier to use these features are. Or how forward thinking so and so is. And how we wish apple would also bring similar features to the iPhone. And all we get is, they don't need to. Look at their sales.

What a conversation.

Let's look at it this way.

iPhones continue to be very popular despite the fact that they, on the surface, sport worse specs and appear to have fewer features than Android smartphones. At first glance, 20% market share for the iPhone seems to pale in comparison to Android's 80%, but let's not forget that 20% of the total smartphone user population is still a very large number nonetheless. Large enough that many developers choose to release apps for iOS first. Hundreds of millions of people around the world have voted with their wallets and decided that the iPhone is the phone for them.

Faced with such overwhelming evidence, any rational person should, at this juncture, stop to take a close second look at Apple and ask just what Apple is doing right. But no, it is evidently easier for you to continue to bury your head in the sand and lie to yourself that this is purely due to marketing and that hundreds of millions of people around the world are flat out wrong, rather than admit that maybe the real problem lies with you yourself and your inability to understand Apple?

The problem here is that you are focusing exclusively on specs. You assume that specs are the be-all and end-all of what makes a great user experience, and that consumers should buy a smartphone solely based on specs. You are wrong.

I said it once, and I will say it again - not everything which matters to a consumer can be documented and measured. For example, the iPhone has a very responsive touchscreen and the OS is optimised to give the impression of responsiveness. This can't be bullet-pointed, but the user can feel, and therefore appreciate, this benefit.

The iPhone has fewer, but larger pixels in its camera. Apple isn't perfect, but they are not run by idiots either. Given its resources, it would be so easy for Apple to run to Sony or Samsung, write them a blank check and go "I want the best camera modules you have. All of them." And then go on to boast about this during the next iPhone reveal. But they don't do this, and instead continue to use the same 8mp camera for the 4th year running and opt to focus all that time and resources on making the pixels larger instead. On paper, an 8mp camera should be no match for a 16mp camera, but in reality, you would be hard-pressed to find any difference between the two.

The A-series processor has fewer cores and lower clocked speed, but superior performance-per-watt.

The iPhone 5s and 6 have Touch-ID. On paper, any phone could theoretically sport a fingerprint-scanner but in actual usage, not all fingerprint scanners are created equal. Touch-ID continues to have a very real and meaningful impact to iPhone users every day, all the more that Apple has rolled out Apple Pay now.

Apple is competing. They are competing by focusing on the sort of differentiation that matters to consumers - differentiation by design. It can't be measured, but it can nevertheless by felt and appreciated by both buyers and users. And it appeals to enough of the right user base that Apple can garner over 90% of the smartphone industry's profits last quarter.

The idea that Apple is going to start losing customers just because Android suddenly becomes "good enough" or cheaper is just....I am laughing too hard to think of an appropriate adjective, but I think you get my drift.

 

[epicrayban]

Let's look at it this way.

iPhones continue to be very popular despite the fact that they, on the surface, sport worse specs and appear to have fewer features than Android smartphones. At first glance, 20% market share for the iPhone seems to pale in comparison to Android's 80%, but let's not forget that 20% of the total smartphone user population is still a very large number nonetheless. Large enough that many developers choose to release apps for iOS first. Hundreds of millions of people around the world have voted with their wallets and decided that the iPhone is the phone for them.

Faced with such overwhelming evidence, any rational person should, at this juncture, stop to take a close second look at Apple and ask just what Apple is doing right. But no, it is evidently easier for you to continue to bury your head in the sand and lie to yourself that this is purely due to marketing and that hundreds of millions of people around the world are flat out wrong, rather than admit that maybe the real problem lies with you yourself and your inability to understand Apple?

The problem here is that you are focusing exclusively on specs. You assume that specs are the be-all and end-all of what makes a great user experience, and that consumers should buy a smartphone solely based on specs. You are wrong.

I said it once, and I will say it again - not everything which matters to a consumer can be documented and measured. For example, the iPhone has a very responsive touchscreen and the OS is optimised to give the impression of responsiveness. This can't be bullet-pointed, but the user can feel, and therefore appreciate, this benefit.

The iPhone has fewer, but larger pixels in its camera. Apple isn't perfect, but they are not run by idiots either. Given its resources, it would be so easy for Apple to run to Sony or Samsung, write them a blank check and go "I want the best camera modules you have. All of them." And then go on to boast about this during the next iPhone reveal. But they don't do this, and instead continue to use the same 8mp camera for the 4th year running and opt to focus all that time and resources on making the pixels larger instead. On paper, an 8mp camera should be no match for a 16mp camera, but in reality, you would be hard-pressed to find any difference between the two.

The A-series processor has fewer cores and lower clocked speed, but superior performance-per-watt.

The iPhone 5s and 6 have Touch-ID. On paper, any phone could theoretically sport a fingerprint-scanner but in actual usage, not all fingerprint scanners are created equal. Touch-ID continues to have a very real and meaningful impact to iPhone users every day, all the more that Apple has rolled out Apple Pay now.

Apple is competing. They are competing by focusing on the sort of differentiation that matters to consumers - differentiation by design. It can't be measured, but it can nevertheless by felt and appreciated by both buyers and users. And it appeals to enough of the right user base that Apple can garner over 90% of the smartphone industry's profits last quarter.

The idea that Apple is going to start losing customers just because Android suddenly becomes "good enough" or cheaper is just....I am laughing too hard to think of an appropriate adjective, but I think you get my drift.

A lot here is untrue. Just specs? Did I not go into the software side in a number of posts and what Android can do that iOS can't? You need to revisit my posts.

Also, look at the thread. We actually are discussing Apple hardware, and to some degree, software. Not Apple sales. How can specs and feature-lists not be involved?

Don't know what else more can be said. If you want to continue diverging the conversation with Apple's sales figures, then yes, anyone would agree Apple is wildly successful and must be the "best." Not much more can be said.

 

[I7guy]

A lot here is untrue. Just specs? Did I not go into the software side in a number of posts and what Android can do that iOS can't? You need to revisit my posts.

Also, look at the thread. We actually are discussing Apple hardware, and to some degree, software. Not Apple sales. How can specs and feature-lists not be involved?

Don't know what else more can be said. If you want to continue diverging the conversation with Apple's sales figures, then yes, anyone would agree Apple is wildly successful and must be the "best." Not much more can be said.

So because the s6 has better specs on paper and feature for feature android is more open than iOS, let's close the discussion and be done with it. S6 and Samsung won this round.

 

[Abazigal]

A lot here is untrue. Just specs? Did I not go into the software side in a number of posts and what Android can do that iOS can't? You need to revisit my posts.

Also, look at the thread. We are discussing Apple hardware, and to some degree, software. Not Apple sales.

Don't know what else more can be said. If you want to continue diverging the conversation with Apple's sales figures, then yes, anyone would agree Apple is wildly successful and must be the "best." Not much more can be said.

You just don't get it, do you?

I am discussing Apple hardware. I just pointed out how Apple's own hardware easily holds its own, despite losing out to Android hardware on paper specs, which simply don't matter to the end user. Instead, Apple has chosen to compete by focusing on hardware and software-related features which still produce a very real and discernible impact on the user experience, even though they cannot be distilled into a figure on a spec sheet.

Apple has nothing to gain at all by stooping to the same level as Android handsets and trying to compete based on specs and price (look at where that has gotten them with their "race to the bottom" outcome. As I say again - Apple is not run by idiots. They know very well who their target market is and what it is we value and they focus on giving us precisely that.

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So because the s6 has better specs on paper and feature for feature android is more open than iOS, let's close the discussion and be done with it. S6 and Samsung won this round.

Yeah, let's just do this. This thread completely missed the plot right from the very start.