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apolloa

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At any rate a lot of F.u.d. going around.

Your the only person speaking ant f.u.d round here, but whatever.. Moving on..


I think force touch sounds like a gimmick, I can see its advantage in a watch but not a phone, Apple should instead concentrate on making its screen more shatter proof as this tech will only make them more expensive to replace no doubt.
I see in drop tests that the new S6 Edge is pretty resilient and strong.
 

I7guy

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Your the only person speaking ant f.u.d round here, but whatever.. Moving on..


I think force touch sounds like a gimmick, I can see its advantage in a watch but not a phone, Apple should instead concentrate on making its screen more shatter proof as this tech will only make them more expensive to replace no doubt.
I see in drop tests that the new S6 Edge is pretty resilient and strong.

Moving on as well.

How do you know the 6s won't have another variant of gorilla glass or some sapphire?

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There's only two phones I've ever dumped asap. One is the S4 and the other is the iPhone 6. Both are just lack luster devices.

Mind you samsung sold a lot of S4's, doesn't make it good in my book either.

I'm hoping the 6S and ios 9 restores order to Apple's house.

That Samsung sold s lot of s4s means they hit the nail on the head. I know s few who still have them.
 

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This article is exaggerating the market for DAW. If you look at the number of reviews, since Apple doesn't report total downloads like Google Play Store, the top iOS DAW apps like Cubasis, Auria, Meteor, etc. total only a few hundred per app and most of them haven't been updated since 2014 so that's worrisome since demand drives frequent updates.

Android latency and jitter can be corrected in-app like with Audio Evolution which is one of the best DAW on Android or iOS and for comparison it has a few thousand reviews and is updated in 2015.

http://www.audio-evolution.com/manual/doku.php?id=latency_and_latency_correction&DokuWiki=e779fd7b8c6e0b9e3c70b33787da71e4

Jammz prefer the workflow of Android and Audio Evolution over iOS:
https://youtu.be/ISWzslKIib8

For anyone doing serious professional sound work they'll likely use Ableton on a Windows x86-64 device. iOS is a toy in comparison to even an entry level Surface 3.

https://youtu.be/uNkNEFlUtEk

Thanks for the informative post. I just thought I would point the obvious and not the workaround that you are showing.

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There is a lock in to the ecosystem. IPhone users hesitate to switch to Android lest they lose iMessage, Facetime, and Airplay with other iOS devices.

As for battery life and performance, iOS is doing a lot less than Android. I noticed battery life has gotten worse as iOS has added features like multitasking and automatic downloads to give an example.

I don't know enough about the audio latency. I haven't noticed any unusual delay at all with music or telephony apps. I don't play games, though.
I am not sure I agree with that definition. Apple doesn't license their software, they only want their hardware to run their software. And that's how it should be as far as I am concerned. To some extent industry is trying to do that, Google is trying to do that with Nexus, but doesn't do a good job of marrying hardware and software.

As far as battery life, I am specifically talking of Apple making do with smaller batteries than Android on average. Compare the size of battery on an S6 and an iPhone 6. The software and hardware efficiency allows for Apple to do that, while all Samsung can do is be conservative in approach and not optimize.
 

spacemnspiff

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You mean the trade is far worse than the shortcomings for you. The extra functionality android has is attractive to me.

I am well aware of androids audio latency issues and they do not effect my use case. Of course I want them fixed though.

I know this thread is about hardware, but where Apple is behind for me is software.
There are some Android features that might be nice to have but are not necessary for me. And just having features doesn't mean there is use case for them, Samsung and others have tried to showcase features that are not really useful. I am able to do without some nice to have Android features with my use case. On the flip side I would miss features that I use the most on my iPhone.

I dont think there has to be one answer to Android Vs iOS, it can be both, whatever suits the user. I am no longer am interested with tinkering, Jailbreaking, rooting and installing ROMs. iPhone works for me.

Let me provide an analogy on cars, when was the last time a manufacturer provided user adjustable bore, stroke and valve lift/timing on an engine. Vast majority with the exception for car nuts wouldn't know what to do with those adjustments. Just because a manufacturer can provide that doesn't make a use case for it.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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There are some Android features that might be nice to have but are not necessary for me. And just having features doesn't mean there is use case for them, Samsung and others have tried to showcase features that are not really useful. I am able to do without some nice to have Android features with my use case. On the flip side I would miss features that I use the most on my iPhone.

For me, I can do without any iPhone features. I think the iOS lacks features in the definitive sense. I consider Facetime and iMessage more of a service than a feature. Airdrop and Handoff are more of features.

I have found many Samsung TW features pretty good that I would miss out on. Just to name a couple, Smartstay is one that I forget about until I use another device. Multitasking on Samsung's TW devices is unmatched.

But overall I agree with your point.
 

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There's only two phones I've ever dumped asap. One is the S4 and the other is the iPhone 6. Both are just lack luster devices.

Mind you samsung sold a lot of S4's, doesn't make it good in my book either.

I'm hoping the 6S and ios 9 restores order to Apple's house.

Seems we see that sentiment every year. Everyone still buys the newest phone, is disenchanted with the OS and is always hoping that next year is the big improvement, lol.

Some are happy with a few notification things in iOS 8 thst they havent had before but it is slow going for Apple with updates. But its all good. They are still making billions from the faithful.
 

gotluck

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There are some Android features that might be nice to have but are not necessary for me. And just having features doesn't mean there is use case for them, Samsung and others have tried to showcase features that are not really useful. I am able to do without some nice to have Android features with my use case. On the flip side I would miss features that I use the most on my iPhone.

I dont think there has to be one answer to Android Vs iOS, it can be both, whatever suits the user. I am no longer am interested with tinkering, Jailbreaking, rooting and installing ROMs. iPhone works for me.

Let me provide an analogy on cars, when was the last time a manufacturer provided user adjustable bore, stroke and valve lift/timing on an engine. Vast majority with the exception for car nuts wouldn't know what to do with those adjustments. Just because a manufacturer can provide that doesn't make a use case for it.

I am not even talking about OEM specific features for my personal use case, Stock android has or can accommodate everything I need. I hear what you are saying though.

As someone that is not entrenched in the apple ecosystem, I am finding more and more of iOS' features and services are specific only to users that are indeed entrenched in the apple ecosystem. I would completely miss out on continuity with my PC, for example. Any many people who work for companies that use Windows miss out too. When I started out on my trusty iPhone 4 , I was not missing out on any features.

I wish android had imessage, facetime, and something similar to icloud backup, but that is about it. At the moment, that list is shorter/more acceptable for me than my list for iOS.
 
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Seems we see that sentiment every year. Everyone still buys the newest phone, is disenchanted with the OS and is always hoping that next year is the big improvement, lol.

Some are happy with a few notification things in iOS 8 thst they havent had before but it is slow going for Apple with updates. But its all good. They are still making billions from the faithful.
It's not just the faithful, but many of those who find that what they get is fine with them, even if they wouldn't mind some extra things. Just like it is the case with many other products in life.
 

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I think Apple should consider returning to the glass back like Samsung has done. It would help with reception and make it better to grip I think?
yes...then they can bring wireless charging to the iPhone.
 

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Multitasking on Samsung's TW devices is unmatched.
I fail to see phones being used efficiently to multi tasking. In my use case for engineering applications on my PC, which allows me to use multi-threading and multi-tasking while most of the RAM and CPU are pushed to the limits.

On my phone I can only view one application at a time, multi-tasking is really not multi-tasking when I can see one screen at a time. When a device is sensitive to power usage, OS designed to prioritize power saving over raw processing and limited UI for true multi-tasking, I don't see it being very efficient for multi-tasking. I know there are use cases few and far between, but in general is not a good solution.
 

Technarchy

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I fail to see phones being used efficiently to multi tasking.

This is the myopic view.

In my use case for engineering applications on my PC, which allows me to use multi-threading and multi-tasking while most of the RAM and CPU are pushed to the limits.

If you have to resort to comparing Samsung phones to PC's to prove a point, then you really must regard iPhones as 2nd rate.

On my phone I can only view one application at a time

Your phone sucks then

multi-tasking is really not multi-tasking when I can see one screen at a time.

Get a Note 4 or S6. Otherwise this sounds like a personal problem and the end result of buying poorly.

When a device is sensitive to power usage, OS designed to prioritize power saving over raw processing and limited UI for true multi-tasking

WRONG. And I love when people like to say "true multitasking" as a qualifier to some nutty notion of multitasking and then they use some use niche case reserved for modeling the universe as an example.

I don't see it being very efficient for multi-tasking

My old Note 4 and S6 laugh at this nonsense.

I know there are case few and far between, but in general is not a good solution.

Minimized windows, half screen windows, and resizable windows is not a good solution? Background tasks? Someone tell Bill Gates and Tim Cook. They might disagree. My S6 does all of the above.
 
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epicrayban

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This is the myopic view.



If you have to resort to comparing Samsung phones to PC's to prove a point, then you really must regard iPhones as 2nd rate.



Your phone sucks then



Get a Note 4 or S6. Otherwise this sounds like a personal problem and the end result of buying poorly.



WRONG. And I love when people like to say "true multitasking" as a qualifier to some nutty notion of multitasking and then they use some use niche case reserved for modeling the universe as an example.



My old Note 4 and S6 laugh at this nonsense.



Minimized windows, half screen windows, and resizable windows is not a good solution. Background tasks? Someone tell Bill Gates and Tim Cook. They might disagree. My S6 does all of the above.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

As I've pointed out before, we are reaching desktop-like capabilities on a smartphone. That's an advanced mobile operating system. Not one that can only look at one app at a time. That's the opposite of advanced.

Those who think these desktop-like features are useless fall into my 2nd category of apologizing for apple and ios: I don't see the need or usefulness of it, therefore don't think it should be done. And some will even argue against thise who might find value.

It's just amazing to me to see these arguments time and time again. Why do people argue against new features as if they'll lose the current method of doing things? So utterly baffling.

The INCLUSION of wireless charging will not mean you cannot charge via cable anymore.

The inclusion of more email attachments will not mean you cannot continue sending files the way you've always been sending them.

The inclusion of multitasking features will not mean you cannot continue using one app at a time as you are used to.

Are you guys getting the picture here? Why are we arguing? We hear these same arguments every year. And worse, some of these same people at the same time will espouse how important individual and personal use is to them. Terribly ironic.

Do you use every single new feature apple introduces every single time? I wager no. But might others? Of course.

I don't know how to stress this enough:

You don't have to need a feature for it to exist.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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I fail to see phones being used efficiently to multi tasking. In my use case for engineering applications on my PC, which allows me to use multi-threading and multi-tasking while most of the RAM and CPU are pushed to the limits.

You're comparing desktop apps to mobile OS apps.

On my phone I can only view one application at a time, multi-tasking is really not multi-tasking when I can see one screen at a time.

Samsung has split screen and pop up window multitasking. And it does both very well.

When a device is sensitive to power usage, OS designed to prioritize power saving over raw processing and limited UI for true multi-tasking, I don't see it being very efficient for multi-tasking. I know there are use cases few and far between, but in general is not a good solution.

The S6 battery life is better than most phones similar to it's size, including the iPhone 6. So your basically wrong about that. Plus it has fast charging, and power saving features that are also yet unmatched.
 

epicrayban

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You're comparing desktop apps to mobile OS apps.



Samsung has split screen and pop up window multitasking. And it does both very well.



The S6 battery life is better than most phones similar to it's size, including the iPhone 6. So your basically wrong about that. Plus it has fast charging, and power saving features that are also yet unmatched.

Great point. Forgot about power saving mode, another feature that would be nice to see on the iPhone.

And the battery life really is quite decent on the s6. I'm currently at 20% after 2hr and 47 mins of screen on. And that's 1 day 7 hours and 58 mins off charger.

According to the phone there's still 7+ hours left of usage. According to power saving mode, I can get near 8 hours more. And according to ultra power savings mode, I can still get 15+ hours using bare bone phone essentials.

Great feature for those just in case moments you can't plug in.

And as you said, if you can, quick charge will add additional hours of usage in exchange for minutes of charging. And of course wireless charging has its own conveniences.

All great. All helpful. All streamlined. All simple to use. All effective. How much more "focused" does apple need to be to give us these features on the iPhone?
 

Vegastouch

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Great point. Forgot about power saving mode, another feature that would be nice to see on the iPhone.

And the battery life really is quite decent on the s6. I'm currently at 20% after 2hr and 47 mins of screen on. And that's 1 day 7 hours and 58 mins off charger.

According to the phone there's still 7+ hours left of usage. According to power saving mode, I can get near 8 hours more. And according to ultra power savings mode, I can still get 15+ hours using bare bone phone essentials.

Great feature for those just in case moments you can't plug in.

And as you said, if you can, quick charge will add additional hours of usage in exchange for minutes of charging. And of course wireless charging has its own conveniences.

All great. All helpful. All streamlined. All simple to use. All effective. How much more "focused" does apple need to be to give us these features on the iPhone?

I'm not getting near that. Today I'm at 25% with 13 hrs, 40 minutes off charger with 3 hr's SOT. I've done better to with 17 hours unplugged and 4.5 hours SOT down to 12% but not what your showing.

This is all on WiFi signal as well.
 

I7guy

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Great point. Forgot about power saving mode, another feature that would be nice to see on the iPhone.

And the battery life really is quite decent on the s6. I'm currently at 20% after 2hr and 47 mins of screen on. And that's 1 day 7 hours and 58 mins off charger.

According to the phone there's still 7+ hours left of usage. According to power saving mode, I can get near 8 hours more. And according to ultra power savings mode, I can still get 15+ hours using bare bone phone essentials.

Great feature for those just in case moments you can't plug in.

And as you said, if you can, quick charge will add additional hours of usage in exchange for minutes of charging. And of course wireless charging has its own conveniences.

All great. All helpful. All streamlined. All simple to use. All effective. How much more "focused" does apple need to be to give us these features on the iPhone?

While Apple is closed lipped, as we all know, none of these "features" will wind up in the next version, except quick charge, which the six already sports.

It's going to be a 5 to 5s upgrade along with iOS 9 what that means is anybody's guess. But if gistory is the guide one or two great features; camera, memory internals and a new o/s to contend with.
 

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I use multi pop up or what ever it's called almost every day on my gs6.

I was scanning codes on my car witg torque app and didn't feel like waiting 2 min so just poped it into a small window while I opened Google music to play a song.

I legit use it all the time.mostly writing emails and needing info from another source.

Like a kid trying to buy my car and asking for the vin.I had a picture of it and being able to open gallery and have his email up was a life saver having the vin picture I took of the windshield up in front of me while typing the vin in the email.

These are little things that people can't do on ios and get taken for granted
 

epicrayban

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I use multi pop up or what ever it's called almost every day on my gs6.

I was scanning codes on my car witg torque app and didn't feel like waiting 2 min so just poped it into a small window while I opened Google music to play a song.

I legit use it all the time.mostly writing emails and needing info from another source.

Like a kid trying to buy my car and asking for the vin.I had a picture of it and being able to open gallery and have his email up was a life saver having the vin picture I took of the windshield up in front of me while typing the vin in the email.

These are little things that people can't do on ios and get taken for granted

I don't need multi window as often as you do but the few times I've used it it's been very helpful and easy and effective. It's great it can stream line your work.
 

epicrayban

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I still don't get why you think Apple is the slower innovator here. You yourself already admit that you can't fathom why this is so. Maybe that's precisely the point - that you are wrong, rather than the rest of the world being wrong. That Apple devices are both fully-featured and sport great specs. Apple is simply competing in ways that cannot be listed down in specs, but it doesn't mean that they are not competing.

You seem fixated almost exclusively on hardware features and software features in a silo, while neglecting how well Apple devices work together. You want to know what I think Apple should do better? It's improving their software and services. Not the hardware, because it's becoming painfully clear that their software cannot keep up with the hardware advancements. Not releasing a ton of half-baked features like on Android. Rather, improve how well my Apple devices play with one another and make its services more reliable and consistent. Things like Airplay mirroring is an excellent example of how 2 seemingly innocuous products (Apple TV and iPad) can come together to deliver a unique and amazing result (I use it so I can control the interactive whiteboard in class while still being able to walk around in the classroom and it still never fails to impress me).

Let's compare Samsung and Apple for argument's sake. Is Samsung managing an app store the scale of Apple's, or developing the Metal API, or managing a plethora of cloud services, or linking everything together with continuity and handoff? From what I have seen over the past couple of years, Apple isn't slacking off at all. They are working at breakneck pace. They have just redesigned iOS and OS X and introduced a ton of new features and tied everything together, and these achievements somehow all count for nothing simply because their iPhone still sports a 1.2 mp front camera?

Plenty to address here but I've already explained my position ad nauseum. Reread my posts if you need to.

The one thing I do want to address directly though is this misconception that apple doesn't give us half baked products and or features. And that everything they do is super focused.

Explain to me apple maps please in its first two years and especially in its first year. How is that not a half baked feature that was rushed out so they could oust google maps? Tim cook apologized for it and there were executive firings.

Explain to me how come their version of "ok google" with siri can only be used when plugged into the car? Why isn't it OS wide like it can be on some android devices? The moto x can be activated nearly entirely hands free.

How about ios 8 update that bricked or otherwise caused havoc on people's phones.

There are probably plenty more examples. And if your answer is to "conserve battery" then I say to you, maybe specs do matter.

So sure apple may not do half baked as often as others do but that, I think, is simply because they don't offer that many new features in the first place.


And this whole idea that they don't release anything until it's meticulously thought out and focused down... Ok I believe that to some degree. But really, how much more focused down do you need to be to offer more email attachments or to improve the keyboard (something they haven't really made any significant changes or improvements to in years), or to finally give us a larger screen (how log did that take!), or real multitasking, etc?

How much more focused do they need to contemplate about power saving modes? Or wireless charging? Or higher camera megapixels? And more.

If you think they don't roll out these features intentionally slower to maximize profits then I don't know what to tell ya. If you don't think they're able to roll out these features slowly because of their brand recognition and near guaranteed success, then I don't know what to tell ya. You've bought right into their marketing and hyperbole.

Yes they do many things right but if you don't think they could do more if they wanted to but don't because they don't have to thanks to the branding you're fooling yourself. And worse, you're not allowing a discussion on how people might want more out of their apple device.

It's the classic "it just works" mixed with a bit of the ol' classic "let apple dictate what we need" excuse we've heard time and time again.
 

epicrayban

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I'm not getting near that. Today I'm at 25% with 13 hrs, 40 minutes off charger with 3 hr's SOT. I've done better to with 17 hours unplugged and 4.5 hours SOT down to 12% but not what your showing.

This is all on WiFi signal as well.

What you're getting doesn't sound bad at all though. 4.5 hours of SOT is pretty darn good actually.

Anyway, I grabbed screens of my battery posts yesterday. I really don't think it's that much better than yours...

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apolloa

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This is the myopic view.



If you have to resort to comparing Samsung phones to PC's to prove a point, then you really must regard iPhones as 2nd rate.



Your phone sucks then



Get a Note 4 or S6. Otherwise this sounds like a personal problem and the end result of buying poorly.



WRONG. And I love when people like to say "true multitasking" as a qualifier to some nutty notion of multitasking and then they use some use niche case reserved for modeling the universe as an example.



My old Note 4 and S6 laugh at this nonsense.



Minimized windows, half screen windows, and resizable windows is not a good solution? Background tasks? Someone tell Bill Gates and Tim Cook. They might disagree. My S6 does all of the above.

My Xperia Z3 Tablet Compact also agrees, because it has the little floating apps a bit like what Samsung do.
But I still state when it comes to multitasking, Android can, iOS can't. Multitasking is not suspending an app as soon as another is opened.
 

Technarchy

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As I've pointed out before, we are reaching desktop-like capabilities on a smartphone. That's an advanced mobile operating system. Not one that can only look at one app at a time. That's the opposite of advanced.

Convergence is inevitable. Phones are getting quite powerful.

Apple insists there is an artificial and arbitrary line between devices, but Samsung has shown that multi-tasking does in fact make sense on a phone.

Are the more advanced Samsung Touchwiz multitasking features something I use daily? No. But I use those features enough to factor into my buying decisions.

Example: Part of the reason I could not keep the iPhone 6 was the weak multitasking compared to my Samsung S5. It's just something you get used to really fast.
 

spacemnspiff

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The S6 battery life is better than most phones similar to it's size, including the iPhone 6. So your basically wrong about that. Plus it has fast charging, and power saving features that are also yet unmatched.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9146/the-samsung-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge-review/3

I am going by the review on Anandtech, the first and second chart show that iPhone 6 has equal or better battery life than the S6. What needs to considered here is that iPhone has an 1810 mAh capacity battery and S6 has 2550 mAh capacity battery. S6 has 30% more capacity and yet cannot show a battery life increase reflecting the higher capacity. That is the optimization that I was referring to, which Samsung cannot match because it doesnt have enough control to optimize a generic OS running on a specific hardware. My understanding is that the Exynos line of processors are generic mass market CPUs and are not optimized for the hardware on the S6. Thats where Samsung could have done better, marry custom SOC to suit the hardware on S6, but they didnt and chose generic hardware. Instead they took the easy route, put a bigger battery because they did not optimize hardware and cannot optimize the OS for better battery life. And all the savings that the 14nm fab could have provided are not to be seen in battery life of the S6.

I would go as far as to say the battery capacity on the S6 should be compared to battery capacity on the iPhone 6+ battery capacity of 2915 mAh (15% increase). iPhone 6+ performs far better than the S6.
So in that sense Samsung is lagging.
 
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spacemnspiff

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This is the myopic view.



If you have to resort to comparing Samsung phones to PC's to prove a point, then you really must regard iPhones as 2nd rate.



Your phone sucks then



Get a Note 4 or S6. Otherwise this sounds like a personal problem and the end result of buying poorly.



WRONG. And I love when people like to say "true multitasking" as a qualifier to some nutty notion of multitasking and then they use some use niche case reserved for modeling the universe as an example.



My old Note 4 and S6 laugh at this nonsense.



Minimized windows, half screen windows, and resizable windows is not a good solution? Background tasks? Someone tell Bill Gates and Tim Cook. They might disagree. My S6 does all of the above.
Most of the responses are one liners without any real explanation, I would prefer more credible responses. But suit yourself.

Maybe I am in the minority here, the multi-tasking that I use on a PC cannot be used efficiently on a small screen and the UI to suit the small screen. Take for example two applications that share data on a PC (Matlab and Excel), I can work on two screens side by side and efficiently switching between the two to share data. But on a phone screen, I wont be able to switch and share data the same way.

There are other use cases where this level of multi-tasking is not needed, but my point of view is that for this level of multi-tasking, the screen needs to be bigger and UI needs to adapt to allow such multi-tasking.

There will be a point when phones already are or will be powerful enough that one can plug in to big screens to perform productivity tasks that are not possible on a small screen.
 
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