Can Apple close the gap to the S6's hardware?

[spacemnspiff]

Hello the gs6 gets an hour longer web browsing then the 6 plus.

Not according to Anandtech.

I trust Anandtech more than other sources, because they seem more capable of understanding the underlying factors and doing a fair test than other sites. The data from other sites is more of an anecdotal experience than an engineering test.

 

[skratch77]

Not according to Anandtech.

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I trust Anandtech more than other sources, because they seem more capable of understanding the underlying factors and doing a fair test than other sites. The data from other sites is more of an anecdotal experience than an engineering test.

You trust anandtech that is owned by apple? But don't trust a real users experience and the fact that I just posted a real world example and also posted GSM arenas review that gets nothing close to anands

 

[spacemnspiff]

You trust anandtech that is owned by apple? But don't trust a real users experience and the fact that I just posted a real world example and also posted GSM arenas review that gets nothing close to anands

You probably will remember the Anandtech existed before Anand moved to Apple. You bringing that up shows that your opinion is affected more by subjective anecdotes than by objectivity. I am trying to be objective, I don't wish to get into subjective discussion.
I already replied to GSM arena's test saying that its a suspect because iPhone 6 battery life is better than the 6+.

One real world experience is not comparable to another, the parameters vary far too much. The test needs to be in one setting where parameters are controlled.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

You trust anandtech that is owned by apple? But don't trust a real users experience and the fact that I just posted a real world example and also posted GSM arenas review that gets nothing close to anands

I think you have your wires crossed? Anandtech is not owned by Apple, although they have a good relationship with them. They are owned by Purch. Anand Lal Shimpi left the company to work for Apple but that is the only link and has nothing to do with ownership.

I see quite a few people here making the claim Apple own them in order to devalue any tests Anandtech do.

 

[spacemnspiff]

fully charges 2x as fast as the iPhone.

I have an opinion about this, one can make a battery charge at higher rate/higher current, but the heat generated because of that in the battery is not really discussed. The heat generated is proportional to the current, and heat negatively impacts battery life over the the life of the battery. There is a reason why electric cars have active battery cooling. I dont want the battery last less than 1.5-2 years. Unless magically the battery chemistry now supports higher temperatures, it's not a good thing to charge a battery at a high current.

I would like to see iPhone 6 and 6+ battery charge times with an iPad charger, it charges far faster than the 1A charger that the phone comes with it. iPad charger is the fast charger for the iPhone.

 

[skratch77]

I think you have your wires crossed? Anandtech is not owned by Apple, although they have a good relationship with them. They are owned by Purch. Anand Lal Shimpi left the company to work for Apple but that is the only link and has nothing to do with ownership.

I see quite a few people here making the claim Apple own them in order to devalue any tests Anandtech do.

Shimpi still does things at annandtech

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Shimpi still does things at annandtech

As I said they have a good relationship but he no longer owns Anandtech. They get better access than most tech sites because of this link but it's a stretch to claim the company are owned by Apple because an Apple employee freelances for them.

 

[skratch77]

As I said they have a good relationship but he no longer owns Anandtech. They get better access than most tech sites because of this link but it's a stretch to claim the company are owned by Apple because an Apple employee freelances for them.

The founder and owner is paid by apple and still works at annandtech they are biased bud just like the 200MB sec nand memory tests they did for the gs6 when in real life and other sites peg it at 330mb per second.they are so biased it's not even funny.

 

[tbayrgs]

Reading the forums in here I would argue that most people are having issues, even my brother in law who is an average Joe user complains about his iPhone 6 Plus bugs. And I have not implied Apple is doomed, you have just chosen to imply that and that that from my post. Why would I claim Apple is doomed with all the sales it gets? Should we not be allowed to post that Apple needs to fix its problems now without being labeled some sort of dooms sayer?

So you think that posts in a tech forum are a fair representation of the ENTIRE iPhone user base? Well, that explains the content on rest of your posts. That would be analogous to assuming the entire world is sick or dying of cancer because the only information you get is from patients in an oncologist's office.

Stop apologising for Apple, so your perfectly happy to spend several hundred pounds every 2 years because once the device hits 3 years you should throw it into a landfill and buy a new one just to keep the massive profits up of Apple? Now THAT is 'asinine'

You should really read entire posts before commenting. AS I previously mentioned, we have 2 original iPad Minis, which are essentially small iPad 2s and using hardware originally released 4 years ago, and an iPhone 4s (over 3 1/2 years old) all running iOS 8, all used every day and experiencing no chronic issues. Yes, they're not as fast as current models but they run just about every app my iPad Air 2 runs. Tell me another mobile company they offers software support this long for any of their hardware? You can't because there isn't one.

It winds me up when I read daft posts like this, people perfectly happy to spends hundreds on throw away devices, and to answer your question about Android, well actually it has some pretty good support BUT Android doesn't constantly tell you to update, their will just be no update.

So you get wound up about Apple supporting their devices for 3+ years but are OK when Android OEMs stop offering software support and upgrades after 18-24 months. In what world is this better? You really should grab a dictionary and look up the word hypocrisy.

Also, guess what happens with the Android device that received\s a system update and you choose to not install it...it will constantly remind you every so often that you have a system update. No different...well, it is actually different because as you said, you won't get any system update notification after 2 years.

Apple does not give you that choice, they choose to support the majority of their devices...

One of only 2 bits of truth in your post

...and constantly bug you to update, only for their update to break you're device you spent hundreds on.

Again, stop relying on anecdotal posts on a tech forum to support your argument. There are millions of 3+ year old Apple devices still being used quite successfully. I didn't update my daughter's iPad Mini for months to a new version of iOS 8 and the only inconvenience was the little '1' on the Settings Badge icon. I guess if seeing that number on your screen is 'constantly bugging you', then yes, I guess Apple is guilty.

You could argue almost that Apple is doing it on purpose to force you to give them more money.

Actually, this argument is far more applicable to Android because that's usually the only way you'll get to see newer versions of Android after 18-24 months.

Their is no reason a 3 year old Apple device cannot run iOS smoothly apart from Apple not optimising their software properly, the only bit they make themselves.

Of course there is. These devices are running CPUs that are 3 generations olds, older (and often less) RAM, previous gen GPUs. If this wasn't an issue, why does EVERY new model of smart phone have newer hardware? In your world, everything would always work and running perfectly smooth.

I'm not really sure in what world that's OK?

Well, considering everything you described isn't actually reality, it's easy to see why you're confused.

I HIGHLY suggest you actually read the entire thread of comments before nit picking my response to someone else.............

No need to read anything beyond your post when there are SO many glaring problems with it on its own.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I have an opinion about this, one can make a battery charge at higher rate/higher current, but the heat generated because of that in the battery is not really discussed. The heat generated is proportional to the current, and heat negatively impacts battery life over the the life of the battery. There is a reason why electric cars have active battery cooling. I dont want the battery last less than 1.5-2 years. Unless magically the battery chemistry now supports higher temperatures, it's not a good thing to charge a battery at a high current.

I would like to see iPhone 6 and 6+ battery charge times with an iPad charger, it charges far faster than the 1A charger that the phone comes with it. iPad charger is the fast charger for the iPhone.

I highly doubt it will make an noticeable impact as soon as 1.5-2 years.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

The founder and owner is paid by apple and still works at annandtech they are biased bud just like the 200MB sec nand memory tests they did for the gs6 when in real life and other sites peg it at 330mb per second.they are so biased it's not even funny.

Unfortunately you'll never find a review that is unbiased if the reader is not getting the answer they are looking for. Combine that with the reality that many tech sources are paid backhanders by electronics manufacturers to publish good reviews and we don't know what to believe. We might as well discount every review if we are going to single one out.

 

[jamezr]

The founder and owner is paid by apple and still works at annandtech they are biased bud just like the 200MB sec nand memory tests they did for the gs6 when in real life and other sites peg it at 330mb per second.they are so biased it's not even funny.

Yep...I don't trust any reviews coming from Anandtech. The founder has a had a very cozy relationship with Apple for years. They hired him and he still contributes/influences Anandtech. The people still there were hand picked hired by him. No one can say there isn't an influence over there.

This cannot be equated to independent reviewers that get phones to review.
Not all reviewers are paid shills. Look at Flossy...he buys his own phones himself then reviews them. Pretty unbiased right there.

 

[apolloa]

I disagree most people are having issues. If you are making a leap of a post in the forum to some real world conclusion, your post is as daft as some of the others you have cited.

It's true people post issues, but a lot of people posted their idevices also run fine. I'm not even going to get into perceptions. I have never had an update break my phone since ios 4. It is true there are iterations of cycles where an o/s release gets better over time, but that is the nature of software. Vista anyone?

I get a new car every three years, a new phone every three years, so what, these devices are throw away. What do you expect, people will adopt your use case whatever that is?

I wish I was as rich as you to buy a new iPad every 3 years because you state it is a throw away device, or did you manage to forget all about that device? The iPad is the issue as they are supposed to last longer then 3 years.

I have been contributing and reading this thread from the start. I have simply responded to points that you've made that I believe to be false. No nit picking, just a straight up response.

No, you haven't read this thread at all mate, you instead decided to pick an argument with me and my pulled out of the air 3 years statement utterly MISSING the fact I never stated that, here's the quote that was in my post that I replied to that you haven't read:

You're bitching about software updates on 3 year old phones? Tell us, how far back do Android OEM's commit to updating their flagships? How about Google? (I'll give you a hint...it isn't three years ).

You know what's asinine--expecting 3 year old phones to run software as smoothly as their brand new counterparts.

So I never implied this 3 year argument, you just chose to twist something from nothing.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

No, you haven't read this thread at all mate, you instead decided to pick an argument with me and my pulled out of the air 3 years statement utterly MISSING the fact I never stated that, here's the quote that was in my post that I replied to that you haven't read:

So I never implied this 3 year argument, you just chose to twist something from nothing.

I wasn't picking a fight with you I was addressing the claim you made that once a device 'hits 3 years' it should be thrown away like you said below. I read the entire conversation including the post you quoted. How on earth can you claim what I have viewed or haven't viewed?

Stop apologising for Apple, so your perfectly happy to spend several hundred pounds every 2 years because once the device hits 3 years you should throw it into a landfill and buy a new one just to keep the massive profits up of Apple? Now THAT is 'asinine'

Anyway I think we've made our points and sorry if I've offended you.

 

[tbayrgs]

So I never implied this 3 year argument, you just chose to twist something from nothing.

Really? Your original post, to which I was replying:

I would argue the exact opposite on the 'user experience' because of iOS. It was fine as iOS6, than iOS7 was such a horrid change it made me switch! And then we have iOS8 which is full of bugs, so much so Apple have since stated that iOS9 will in fact concentrate on fixing all those bugs and not adding new features! Plus the way iOS8 slows down devices that are only 3 years old for no reason at all is daft, they constantly bug you to update the OS only for it to then crippled your device, that is not a 'good user experience'.
iOS 'used' to offer a nice experience, now it is slow and clunky and full of bugs. Apple need to and must fix it.

You're correct, you didn't imply anything, just flat out stated it. And as The-Real-Deal pointed out, you reiterated your 3 year argument in a subsequent reply. There's nothing to twist when you put it in black and white for all to read.

And I'm also done making my point--you can go on believing whatever you like.

 

[epicrayban]

Why do I have to "own" an S6 to make an informed observation that this is a junk subject just rehashed in a different way?

Do you own any iDevice? Do you understand why there seems to be people who like the functionality of the idevice as is and not to your use case, without even talking about some of the other things, like healthapp, apple is doing.

To answer your own question, how can anyone take you seriously when all you care about is megapixels and email attachments? I would never argue against new features, but I would say that if apple decided not to make IOS the equivalent of Android in IOS 9, it's not going to stop me from getting the next iteration of iphone.

So I guess when discussing things going on I'll only pay attention to those who understand Apples walled garden design philosophy and can respond at that level without saying: "outlook email attachment feature; ios sucks"

It's the same thing on car forums, some people don't accept opinions from those who don't the car in question. A test drive isn't really sufficient qualification.

Yes I own an iPhone 6 and an iPad air. And Macs too.

 

[spacemnspiff]

I highly doubt it will make an noticeable impact as soon as 1.5-2 years.

If heat wasn't an issue for batteries, there was no reason to limit the current to 1-2A in the first place. There has to be a reason why the current was limited, maybe the trade off now is life of the battery at higher temperature charging.

 

[I7guy]

Yes I own an iPhone 6 and an iPad air. And Macs too.

My question then is why based on your stated use case.

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I wish I was as rich as you to buy a new iPad every 3 years because you state it is a throw away device, or did you manage to forget all about that device? The iPad is the issue as they are supposed to last longer then 3 years.



No, you haven't read this thread at all mate, you instead decided to pick an argument with me and my pulled out of the air 3 years statement utterly MISSING the fact I never stated that, here's the quote that was in my post that I replied to that you haven't read:



So I never implied this 3 year argument, you just chose to twist something from nothing.

Fwiw, I said iPhone not iPad. "I wish I was a rich..." You don't know how I get it why even say such a pejorative statement?

 

[epicrayban]

BTW, everyone talking about Apple and the media, be it Anandtech or not, should read this:

https://medium.com/krautreporter-stories/the-apple-media-distortion-field-644e9e7b8666

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Not according to Anandtech.

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I trust Anandtech more than other sources, because they seem more capable of understanding the underlying factors and doing a fair test than other sites. The data from other sites is more of an anecdotal experience than an engineering test.

Why is it near impossible to find results from tons of other sites with the same findings?

I never put faith is just one result. Most results I've found are pretty similar and have the S6 beating the iPhone 6 in most areas of battery life.

 

[epicrayban]

My question then is why based on your stated use case.

Sorry, I don't have to explain myself to someone who voluntarily gets involved in a thread that doesn't actually own the two devices being discussed. And then helps derail it with literally untruths and silly philosophical ideas.

You don't know why I own an iPhone 6, but I know precisely why you don't own a S6.

You have no idea -- again, this isn't an insult. You actually don't have any idea or first hand experience -- what it's like using both devices side by side on a daily basis and seeing what the S6 feels like, looks like, can do, can do easier, can do faster, can do better, (and more...) than the iPhone 6. Some things the iPhone 6 does better, and if you visit the S6 thread(s), I'm the first one to point out where the S6 and Samsung can improve on what the iPhone 6 beats it on. But it isn't a 50/50 split down the middle; the S6 handedly beats the iPhone 6 on so many more fronts. I predict it'll continue to even with the advent of the 6S or iOS 9, but I am hoping (and in this thread arguing for) Apple to prove me wrong.

And it's a shame people like you won't allow a discussion on how the iPhone 6 could match or best the hardware/software features the S6 has. Again, you and your type are the worse type of Apple fans. Your perceived loyalty is doing so much disservice to the discourse of the iPhone in this thread. All you want to discuss is either 1) Apple's profits, or 2) how you don't need said features.

Notice not once do I mention the marketshare that Android has. Notice not once do I use that to somehow prove to anybody that the S6 does many things better than the iPhone 6. Notice I'm actually talking about the user experience of both phones and what each have and can do pound for pound.

If all you want to focus on is profits, you're in the wrong thread. But I think you already know that.

Anyway, movin' on...

 

[I7guy]

BTW, everyone talking about Apple and the media, be it Anandtech or not, should read this:

https://medium.com/krautreporter-stories/the-apple-media-distortion-field-644e9e7b8666

Do tell, another Apple media control op-Ed piece. Totally off topic to hardware and software. Gotta admire Apple they do what Samsung can only dream of doing.

 

[Truefan31]

BTW, everyone talking about Apple and the media, be it Anandtech or not, should read this:



https://medium.com/krautreporter-stories/the-apple-media-distortion-field-644e9e7b8666

http://www.androidheadlines.com/2015/03/samsung-means-south-korea.html

I'm pretty sure no brand in America has this kind of control over a country.

 

[gotluck]

Do tell, another Apple media control op-Ed piece. Totally off topic to hardware and software. Gotta admire Apple they do what Samsung can only dream of doing.

from what I understand, samsung has a way tighter grip / control in their own country than Apple could ever get, both are not worthy of bragging about IMO. It is a bad thing in both cases

You really dont believe his posted article though? that is very easy to believe for me. Apple PR is all about control. reality distortion field is real, selectively choosing media / blackballing, all that sounds par for the course

 

[I7guy]

Sorry, I don't have to explain myself to someone who voluntarily gets involved in a thread that doesn't actually own the two devices being discussed. And then helps derail it with literally untruths and silly philosophical ideas.

You're right this is an internet forum where ideas an opinions are exchanged. In this case it appears to be a one-way street. And speaking of derailing, that "op-ed" piece is a prime example of derailing a thread.

You don't know why I own an iPhone 6, but I know precisely why you don't own a S6.

Great we're on the sample page as far as the S6. I don't like android and like the apple ecosystem better and most of my family and friends have iphones.

You have no idea -- again, this isn't an insult. You actually don't have any idea or first hand experience -- what it's like using both devices side by side on a daily basis and seeing what the S6 feels like, looks like, can do, can do easier, can do faster, can do better, (and more...) than the iPhone 6. Some things the iPhone 6 does better, and if you visit the S6 thread(s), I'm the first one to point out where the S6 and Samsung can improve on what the iPhone 6 beats it on. But it isn't a 50/50 split down the middle; the S6 handedly beats the iPhone 6 on so many more fronts. I predict it'll continue to even with the advent of the 6S or iOS 9, but I am hoping (and in this thread arguing for) Apple to prove me wrong.

I know what it's like to use my iphone, now on a year and half. One a daily basis dealing with a morass of email and other business related stuff. And I find it a joy to use. I don't find Android a joy to use. I have no need for multitasking and some of the other "essential" items listed.

And it's a shame people like you won't allow a discussion on how the iPhone 6 could match or best the hardware/software features the S6 has. Again, you and your type are the worse type of Apple fans. Your perceived loyalty is doing so much disservice to the discourse of the iPhone in this thread. All you want to discuss is either 1) Apple's profits, or 2) how you don't need said features.

There is quite a divide here. I thought MacRumors forums was open to all. You seem to shut down any conversation about the positive aspects of the iphone and focus on a litany of hardware items, that in and of itself has no usefulness.

Notice not once do I mention the marketshare that Android has. Notice not once do I use that to somehow prove to anybody that the S6 does many things better than the iPhone 6. Notice I'm actually talking about the user experience of both phones and what each have and can do pound for pound.

Android has more market share then iphone, no doubt about that; you don't have to mention it. But when you trash the iphone for a supposed lack of features, the only claim is that they seem to have hit their target market; whilst doing other things(health app; homekit) that Android only dreams of.

If all you want to focus on is profits, you're in the wrong thread. But I think you already know that.

Are we focusing in on technical "goodness" as the only measure. Then it becomes only a spec sheet comparison and iphone might was well go home. That's what you really seem to be after.

Anyway, movin' on...

Ok.

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from what I understand, samsung has a way tighter grip / control in their own country than Apple could ever get, both are not worthy of bragging about IMO. It is a bad thing in both cases

You really dont believe his posted article though? that is very easy to believe for me. Apple PR is all about control. reality distortion field is real, selectively choosing media / blackballing, all that sounds par for the course

Do I believe apple has some control over the media? Yes. In the same way other entities with power work.

And yes I agree it's a bad thing.

Bringing up that article in the middle of a hardware conversation was just done to stir the pot without anything added that was of value to this conversation.