Exactly, proves my point, you got defensive.
Okay, I'm not going to stop you from "thinking" you're point is proven, but in reality...not so much.
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Okay, I'm not going to stop you from "thinking" you're point is proven, but in reality...not so much.
I stated it because in MY experience it is true, my Mum has an ipad 3 I have to look after. I know exactly what iOS updates have done to it thanks.
As for your other lengthy reply, firstly YOU are bringing up Android, not me, so please do not claim I am a hypocrite because of something you have decided to bring up yourself and I have not. Hardly fitting to claim I am a hypocrite. Remember this is about OS updates.
Also let me re post what you originally stated:
You know what's asinine--expecting 3 year old phones to run software as smoothly as their brand new counterparts.
You stated it is stupid to expect 3 year old phones to run smoothly. Perhaps you need to expand on what you exactly mean by 'smoothly'?
Now, if you want to talk Android updates, well then to keep it fair we will talk about Google and it's own devices, and they have updated the Nexus 4 to Lollipop and that device was launched October 2012.
meh I am taking this too far off topic now, going to leave it now.
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No it's not for the GS3...not an official build. It's been confirmed there won't be one either.
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You're bitching about software updates on 3 year old phones? Tell us, how far back do Android OEM's commit to updating their flagships? How about Google? (I'll give you a hint...it isn't three years
You know what's asinine--expecting 3 year old phones to run software as smoothly as their brand new counterparts.
FWIW, we have 2 original IPad Minis (basically iPad 2 hardware) and an iPhone 4S running iOS 8 just fine. Are they as snappy as the current crop of iOS devices? No, of course not, but they also haven't ground to a halt...they're used everyday without complaint.
I hear what you are saying and generally iOS updates are all around superior. But you really should be allowed to downgrade. Some people would be much happier with those devices you listed on iOS 6 or 7. If you could downgrade, I would say ioS update structure would be better in every way.
Reading android forums, many people look up and ask questions about downgrading, I can all but guarantee people would take the same opportunity on iOS
The android phone that didn't get support in that third year may end up performing comparatively better than iOS third year patching (android apps tend to support way older OS versions than iOS apps do too, leaving older android devices with a comparitively greater selection of apps, one of androids only advantages wrt device updates, along with ability to downgrade
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So because you have one iPad 3 that you don't like the way it runs, every iOS update is garbage?
I thought I also mentioned I get my opinions from this site and the media? So that as well as my own experiences, also where exactly did I state every iOS update is garbage? I do believe I never stated that and you are making it up, and if you want to claim that iOS8 doesn't slow down older devices you go right ahead sir..
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Also even a 3 year old Android phone can go to the Playstore and get Lollipop Material design apps without having to upgrade to Lollipop.I hear what you are saying and generally iOS updates are all around superior. But you really should be allowed to downgrade. Some people would be much happier with those devices you listed on iOS 6 or 7. If you could downgrade, I would say ioS update structure would be better in every way.
Reading android forums, many people look up and ask questions about downgrading, I can all but guarantee people would take the same opportunity on iOS
The android phone that didn't get support in that third year may end up performing comparatively better than iOS third year patching (android apps tend to support way older OS versions than iOS apps do too, leaving older android devices with a comparitively greater selection of apps, one of androids only advantages wrt device updates, along with ability to downgrade
I didn't say there were zero posts about this. With hundreds of millions of idevices and tons of Internet sites there is bound to be chatter about all iOS releases. My iPad 2 works better on 8.3 than 7.1.2 as an example. If you go through the iOS 8 board there is clearly a mixed bag of opinions. So to me there is no definitive answer about this very topic.
I hear what you are saying and generally iOS updates are all around superior. But you really should be allowed to downgrade. Some people would be much happier with those devices you listed on iOS 6 or 7. If you could downgrade, I would say ioS update structure would be better in every way.
Reading android forums, many people look up and ask questions about downgrading, I can all but guarantee people would take the same opportunity on iOS
The android phone that didn't get support in that third year may end up performing comparatively better than iOS third year patching (android apps tend to support way older OS versions than iOS apps do too, leaving older android devices with a comparitively greater selection of apps, one of androids only advantages wrt device updates, along with ability to downgrade
Completely agree--by far biggest problem with how Apple handles upgrades is inability to downgrade. I know neither of us mentioned it but I also give the nod to Android breaking out individual apps into the Play Store so that they can be updated independently of the core OS--wish Apple would do the same with iOS.
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See, should've kept reading, jamezr beat me to the punch.
Thats weird. I didnt get that impression. I for one have just said i prefer Android for my phone because it does more things and i use my phone most of the time. I believe i even said the iPhone is a soilid device, just lacks for me.
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You might not, but iPhone users are practically begging for it.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1884685/
Good luck trying to get him to care.
He won't appreciate any new features until apple officially adds them. Really. He's said he doesn't like android and has professed he doesn't own a s6 nor has any plans to venture outside of apple in the foreseeable future. He literally won't know what it's like to have these features until his iDevices get them.
I can see it being useful for people wanting it and owning the 6 Plus. I'm not sure how easy it will be to use on the standard 6 though? Out of interest what do people multitask on smartphones? I occasionally copy and paste things from one app to another or check a phone number while in maps. Is that considered multitasking?
I can see it being useful for people wanting it and owning the 6 Plus. I'm not sure how easy it will be to use on the standard 6 though? Out of interest what do people multitask on smartphones? I occasionally copy and paste things from one app to another or check a phone number while in maps. Is that considered multitasking?
Yeah I'd say so. Someone earlier posted a great story about how the split screen directly helps his work where he simultaneously can scan Vin numbers and correspond with clients. Or something like that.
I don't often use split screen or the app pop out feature but the few times I have, they've been helpful. It was useful to me when driving and not being able to give my full attention to the phone so I used split screen to see the info and the navigation map. It was great.
Or once when I was using my chrome browser to chat with a customer service rep and I had to get my order number. Split screen and got it without losing my place in the conversation or risking the browser refresh (those chat dialogue boxes can be weird and finicky).
Just a few examples. I've used those features a few times before too in other instances.
The best thing? If one doesn't have the need for split screen, they don't have to use it. If they're used to or prefer one app on their screen at a time, as someone else here said, they can do so.
Adding features doesn't mean the old way is gone.
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I can see it being useful for people wanting it and owning the 6 Plus. I'm not sure how easy it will be to use on the standard 6 though? Out of interest what do people multitask on smartphones? I occasionally copy and paste things from one app to another or check a phone number while in maps. Is that considered multitasking?
I'd love to have it on my iPad--loved the potential when I owned a Note 10.1 but unfortunately, the number of compatible apps at the time was miniscule. I have my eye on the reported iPad Pro but only if it includes this functionality.
Conversely, I found it nearly useless on a phone--screen size is just too small to be useful and again, there weren't that many compatible apps. I'm haven't used a Samsung phone or tablet in a year so I'm guessing that situation has improved. I'd have no problem with it being an available option on the iPhone but only as long as it doesn't compromise OS performance.
I'm optimistic that since Apple controls iOS top to bottom, their implementation of it will allow all apps to be compatible and it won't depend so much on developers---at least, that's what I hope.
Yeah I'd say so. Someone earlier posted a great story about how the split screen directly helps his work where he simultaneously can scan Vin numbers and correspond with clients. Or something like that.
I don't often use split screen or the app pop out feature but the few times I have, they've been helpful. It was useful to me when driving and not being able to give my full attention to the phone so I used split screen to see the info and the navigation map. It was great.
Or once when I was using my chrome browser to chat with a customer service rep and I had to get my order number. Split screen and got it without losing my place in the conversation or risking the browser refresh (those chat dialogue boxes can be weird and finicky).
Just a few examples. I've used those features a few times before too in other instances.
The best thing? If one doesn't have the need for split screen, they don't have to use it. If they're used or or prefer one app on their screen at a time, as someone else here said, they can do so.
Adding features doesn't mean the old way is gone.
Seems so simple doesn't it? Features are good. If you don't want them. You don't have to use them. But that doesn't mean they are not useful to someone else. Split screen is a great example of this.....
I disagree because Apple has the best profits!! How is that related? Well, um, I don't know but look at all them profits!!!
If there's any life left in this thread to salvage, I'm curious what people think about this whole "Apple is super focused" and that's why features, etc. come slowly. Because they meticulously think about everything before they do it so that it's not half-baked.
To some degree, I agree this is true. When they do things, they usually do it either a) better, or b) are able to do it in a way that it makes it mainstream and accepted; and sometimes a combination of both a & b.
However, I argue that this is sort of blown up and exaggerated and only seemingly the case because they actually don't compete to the same degree and speed when we're looking at new features. In other words, they're less susceptible to "half baked" features when comparing to other OEMs who try harder and faster to introduce new things which don't always land on the first attempt(s).
Also, it's simply untrue that Apple doesn't have half-baked features. I mention a few here:
Explain to me apple maps please in its first two years and especially in its first year. How is that not a half baked feature that was rushed out so they could oust google maps? Tim cook apologized for it and there were executive firings.
Explain to me how come their version of "ok google" with siri can only be used when plugged into the car? Why isn't it OS wide like it can be on some android devices? The moto x can be activated nearly entirely hands free.
How about ios 8 update that bricked or otherwise caused havoc on people's phones.
Do you guys agree?
TL;DR version: So sure apple may not do half baked as often as others do but that, I think, is simply because they don't offer that many new features in the first place.
I would also consider the question, how long does it really take to consider some of the new hardware/software features others are doing? How much more focused do you need to concentrate on say more email attachments, or quick charge, or other simple and clear advantages that could easily be implemented and add to the iPhone experience? At what point do we simply say, Apple just doesn't want to (and may never)? And what point do we simply concede that Apple doesn't want to compete this way be it for profits or the idea of forward thinking and removing legacy features (something Apple never shies away from)?
And is this okay given how much the competition is offering in relatively the same package and price?
To some degree, I agree this is true. When they do things, they usually do it either a) better, or b) are able to do it in a way that it makes it mainstream and accepted; and sometimes a combination of both a & b.
However, I argue that this is sort of blown up and exaggerated and only seemingly the case because they actually don't compete to the same degree and speed when we're looking at new features. In other words, they're less susceptible to "half baked" features when comparing to other OEMs who try harder and faster to introduce new things which don't always land on the first attempt(s).
Also, it's simply untrue that Apple doesn't have half-baked features. I mention a few here:
Explain to me apple maps please in its first two years and especially in its first year. How is that not a half baked feature that was rushed out so they could oust google maps? Tim cook apologized for it and there were executive firings.
Explain to me how come their version of "ok google" with siri can only be used when plugged into the car? Why isn't it OS wide like it can be on some android devices? The moto x can be activated nearly entirely hands free.
How about ios 8 update that bricked or otherwise caused havoc on people's phones.
Do you guys agree?
TL;DR version: So sure apple may not do half baked as often as others do but that, I think, is simply because they don't offer that many new features in the first place.
I would also consider the question, how long does it really take to consider some of the new hardware/software features others are doing? How much more focused do you need to concentrate on say more email attachments, or quick charge, or other simple and clear advantages that could easily be implemented and add to the iPhone experience? At what point do we simply say, Apple just doesn't want to (and may never)? And what point do we simply concede that Apple doesn't want to compete this way be it for profits or the idea of forward thinking and removing legacy features (something Apple never shies away from)?
And is this okay given how much the competition is offering in relatively the same package and price?
If split screen to glance at the app state is multi-tasking then I use that feature on the iPhone. I can go through all the open apps and look at the glance-able information by double pressing the home button.
I too am looking to multi-tasking on the iPad. Multi-tasking on the phone doesn't interest me much, I would love to be wrong about this. Maybe if it is implemented in a way where its useful on the phone, not sure how the work flow can be efficient to multi-task.
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Fair question.
I'd argue that's really rudimentary multitasking if it is. I wasn't aware the poster I quoted meant he didn't take any action on his multitasking screens. Didn't realize he was just glancing. Didn't he say copy and paste too? I took that to mean he took action on both apps during split screen multitasking.
If you're just glancing, then even android's roller dex or even pre-lollipop app switcher are also multitasking. Kind of a stretch I think. At most that's very rudimentary multitasking.
I read that yesterday but it didn't look like you had many choices as to what to open in the demo video. I'll just say it is in its early stages.
What you showing is the recent applications. That is a very basic task. But those are not active windows. You cannot interact with both windows at the same time. That is what split screen does. You can have two windows open and active interact with both of them at the same time. One example is having a YouTube video running and Chrome open at the same time. You can watch the YT video and browse the web at the same time in simultaneous screens. Or watch a music video while researching the band you are watching.
Also, if glancing is multitasking, widgets would be multitasking too then....?
Not really right?
Not really right?