Can Apple close the gap to the S6's hardware?

[gotluck]

Users shouldn't care about profits though, they shouldn't really care about sales volume either

So many people on macrumors with the shareholder point of view, I can't believe all of you own significant enough stock to brag about how much profit Apple makes on each device. Gloating about that as a consumer just boggles my mind.

Also, it is no secret I love to critisize samsung, but who else could rival them as the consumer facing side of android? Most regular people don't know google maintains the core os. And the other OEMs just aren't as known by people as samsung. And for the record , I personally hate this because I feel stock android is a better product, but only a few relatively unpopular devices with hardly any marketing offer it.

Although they might sell more phones, it doesn't make them the face of Android. It might be the perception of some people, but that's not what it is.

Samsung sells all manner of phones. Or are you somehow claiming that a cheap, near-zero margin phone is someone equivalent to an iPhone sold? Apple can easily trade profits for market share by deeply discounting its iPhones or even licensing iOS; but Apple doesn't do this because they know that it's not market share that matters.

Get this through your head - market share is the means, profit is the end. All the phones sold in the world means squat if they don't allow the company to turn a meaningful profit. And last I checked, Apple practically vacuumed up the bulk of the smartphone industry's profits for the last quarter.

Ask any phone OEM out there - would they rather have Samsung's sales volumes or Apple's profit? I know which one I would definitely prefer.

 

[skratch77]

Samsung sells all manner of phones. Or are you somehow claiming that a cheap, near-zero margin phone is someone equivalent to an iPhone sold? Apple can easily trade profits for market share by deeply discounting its iPhones or even licensing iOS; but Apple doesn't do this because they know that it's not market share that matters.

Get this through your head - market share is the means, profit is the end. All the phones sold in the world means squat if they don't allow the company to turn a meaningful profit. And last I checked, Apple practically vacuumed up the bulk of the smartphone industry's profits for the last quarter.

Ask any phone OEM out there - would they rather have Samsung's sales volumes or Apple's profit? I know which one I would definitely prefer.

Are you delusional? Read what you wrote when I quoted you then re read my responce And when did profit margins ever have anything to do with samsung and android not having any one drawing in on them?

guess what those cheap Samsung phones run on???? Android and guess who owns 90% of the android market share? Samsung! Now go play with your iphone.

Ps samsung made over 20 billion pure profit last year and is making billions in profit every 1/4.

They freaking sold 300 million android phones last year alone

 

[Abazigal]

Are you delusional? Read what you wrote when I quoted you then re read my responce And when did profit margins ever have anything to do with samsung and android not having any one drawing in on them?

guess what those cheap Samsung phones run on???? Android and guess who owns 90% of the android market share? Samsung! Now go play with your iphone.

Ps samsung made over 20 billion pure profit last year and is making billions in profit every 1/4.

They freaking sold 300 million android phones last year alone

My point is simple - what does Samsung or any other Android smartphone OEM have to show for all the phones they have sold? Despite its smaller market share, many developers still opt to release apps or create accessories for iOS first. Is selling way more phones than Apple something to be so proud of when your profit is 1 tenth of theirs?

If you are so opposed to me using profits as a metric of success, I can also ask you how market share is relevant, when it's barely earning the OEMs any profit?

The majority of Android handsets are purchased primarily because they are cheap, not so much because of any redeeming qualities of the underlying OS (or at least, these are not benefits that the consumer appreciates).

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Users shouldn't care about profits though, they shouldn't really care about sales volume either

So many people on macrumors with the shareholder point of view, I can't believe all of you own significant enough stock to brag about how much profit Apple makes on each device. Gloating about that as a consumer just boggles my mind.

Also, it is no secret I love to critisize samsung, but who else could rival them as the consumer facing side of android? Most regular people don't know google maintains the core os. And the other OEMs just aren't as known by people as samsung. And for the record , I personally hate this because I feel stock android is a better product, but only a few relatively unpopular devices with hardly any marketing offer it.

I don't see it as bragging. Why is it that Android supporters can get away with touting their majority market share as proof that Android is somehow winning the smartphone race, but I am not allowed to use profits as a counterpoint?

I don't own any Apple stock, and I don't see anything wrong with celebrating Apple's immense profitability. To me, their record profits is not at odds with the fact that Apple does bend over backwards to keep the customer happy and satisfied. I think it says a lot when consumers are willing to pay a higher price for what they perceive is a superior user experience from an Apple product.

People like to dismiss this as being hoodwinked by Apple's marketing, but these dissenters don't seem to understand is that it's a positive reinforcement cycle. Each time an Apple customer buys, uses and is in turn positively delighted by an Apple product, it becomes more likely that they continue using Apple products in future and less likely that they switch away to a competing brand.

To me, Apple has earned every cent, and they rightly deserve every bit of their profits. So yes, why shouldn't I celebrate this? Am I supposed to cheer for the fact that Android has 90% market share, yet is annoyingly still missing Meerkat for Android despite iOS users having had it for months already?

 

[sickducker]

The iPhone 6 cpu at 20nm, has better single core performance than the 14nm cpu in the Samsung s6. Since A8 has only 2 cores, Apple can easily add more cores to get ahead of Samsung. Even without any architectural improvements. The question is what Samsung is going to do next? 12 cores?

 

[becneel]

The iPhone 6 cpu at 20nm, has better single core performance than the 14nm cpu in the Samsung s6. Since A8 has only 2 cores, Apple can easily add more cores to get ahead of Samsung. Even without any architectural improvements. The question is what Samsung is going to do next? 12 cores?

Really ? Are you sure about that ?

However it is likely that Qualcomm and Samsung will go up to 12, even 16 cores in the near future as they are at 8 right now.

 

[Abazigal]

Really ? Are you sure about that ?



However it is likely that Qualcomm and Samsung will go up to 12, even 16 cores in the near future as they are at 8 right now.

What would be the point though. Current phones aren't even fully utilizing the 4 cores fully, much less 8.

 

[skratch77]

My point is simple - what does Samsung or any other Android smartphone OEM have to show for all the phones they have sold? Despite its smaller market share, many developers still opt to release apps or create accessories for iOS first. Is selling way more phones than Apple something to be so proud of when your profit is 1 tenth of theirs?

If you are so opposed to me using profits as a metric of success, I can also ask you how market share is relevant, when it's barely earning the OEMs any profit?

The majority of Android handsets are purchased primarily because they are cheap, not so much because of any redeeming qualities of the underlying OS (or at least, these are not benefits that the consumer appreciates).

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I don't see it as bragging. Why is it that Android supporters can get away with touting their majority market share as proof that Android is somehow winning the smartphone race, but I am not allowed to use profits as a counterpoint?

I don't own any Apple stock, and I don't see anything wrong with celebrating Apple's immense profitability. To me, their record profits is not at odds with the fact that Apple does bend over backwards to keep the customer happy and satisfied. I think it says a lot when consumers are willing to pay a higher price for what they perceive is a superior user experience from an Apple product.

People like to dismiss this as being hoodwinked by Apple's marketing, but these dissenters don't seem to understand is that it's a positive reinforcement cycle. Each time an Apple customer buys, uses and is in turn positively delighted by an Apple product, it becomes more likely that they continue using Apple products in future and less likely that they switch away to a competing brand.

To me, Apple has earned every cent, and they rightly deserve every bit of their profits. So yes, why shouldn't I celebrate this? Am I supposed to cheer for the fact that Android has 90% market share, yet is annoyingly still missing Meerkat for Android despite iOS users having had it for months already?

This was never about money and samsung has always put the best hardware in every galaxy s phone they had every year.it was about Apple catching up to samsungs hardware and you spun this into a profit margin campaign.

Second please name me some apps that are so awesome and popular on ios that are not on android.I came from a iPhone 5 to samsung and never once in my life had any apps that I used missing on android so please stop using the app development bs because both eco systems get new apps at the same time.I always see mobile game commercials on TV and at the end of the add it says available on Google play and ios

oculas has an app store for virtual reality games for the gear vr and devs are crazy about that but I don't see you mentioning that.

Samsung made more money then apple all of 2011-2013 with is massive success of the gs3 and it will be hard for samsung to hit the highs it did back then just like it will hard for apple to hit it's highs like it did now with the iPhone 6 next year with the 6s apple finally gave people a bigger phone and you can quote me right now that Apple won't sell as many just like samsung leveled off after the gs4 came out.

1 tenth of the money? Wtf are you talking about? Samsung made pure profit 5 billion last 1/4 and that's with spending 14 billion building the fab to make there 14nm exynos chips in there.

on a side not why don't you wait a 1/4 and see what there margins and profits are next 1/4 with the new sales of the galaxy S6 and edge?

Samsung's pure profits are not as big because it puts alot of it's money into research and development

I don't see apple designing and building a factory to produce 14nm chips.do you think that was just made up from nothing and free?

Samsung owns and built the biggest building on the planet and spent a crap load building it in dubai here is a nice picture for you!!!

 

[zone23]

So I guess the OP is asking could Apple build a 8 core CPU if they wanted? I'm sure they could just copy Samsung's design, thats what Samsung would do. I wouldn't consider a phone a hardware "King" just because its CPU has more cores. If that was the case then AMD would be "King" of the PC CPU. Anyone remember AMD they were core whores and you see where that got them.

AMD: our CPU sucks what can we do?
Designer: well lets just throw more cores at it
AMD: how many cores
Designer: how about 12
AMD: OK will that make it as fast as a Intel i7?
Designer: NO but people can brag about how many cores they have "WIN"
AMD: Lets do it!

Ever wonder why a lot Intel CPUs still have 2 cores with hyper threading? Or they have 4 cores with hyper threading? Why not do the Samsung and go 8 with hyper threading? Why is it only Samsung feels the need for 8 cores? Because Android fans eat that **** up. Thats the only reason.

Edit:
The other thing I wonder too is Samsung doesn't leave themselves a lot of room for growth. What are they going to have a 24 core in 5 years? They just want to "WIN" now and don't seem to think 5 or 10 years down the road.

 

[lowendlinux]

The end state is if you live in the Apple eco-system Apple doesn't need specs it's simply the best phone for you. If you do not live in the eco-system no matter the specs the iPhone isn't compelling.

All IMHO of course.

 

[skratch77]

So I guess the OP is asking could Apple build a 8 core CPU if they wanted? I'm sure they could just copy Samsung's design, thats what Samsung would do. I wouldn't consider a phone a hardware "King" just because its CPU has more cores. If that was the case then AMD would be "King" of the PC CPU. Anyone remember AMD they were core whores and you see where that got them.

AMD: our CPU sucks what can we do?
Designer: well lets just throw more cores at it
AMD: how many cores
Designer: how about 12
AMD: OK will that make it as fast as a Intel i7?
Designer: NO but people can brag about how many cores they have "WIN"
AMD: Lets do it!

Ever wonder why a lot Intel CPUs still have 2 cores with hyper threading? Or they have 4 cores with hyper threading? Why not do the Samsung and go 8 with hyper threading? Why is it only Samsung feels the need for 8 cores? Because Android fans eat that **** up. Thats the only reason.

Edit:
The other thing I wonder too is Samsung doesn't leave themselves a lot of room for growth. What are they going to have a 24 core in 5 years? They just want to "WIN" now and don't seem to think 5 or 10 years down the road.

Samsung worked with arm cortex to build and design big little 8 core architecture

You know,the people that made and licensed the rights to Apple to use there architecture

Samsung is using a purebred arm design in there phones.that is the closses thing to intel and nothing like amd.they are working witg the people that designed the actual instruction set used in the arch

Samsung is working on arms next instruction set now and said it's up to 30% faster clock for clock and will consume less power then the current exynos 7.

It's the arm a72 cores and samsung will use those on 10nm if they can get it out in time.

This is what samsung is using it's money on now and this is what apple will need to compete with on the gs7

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/04/arm-details-its-new-high-end-cpu-core-cortex-a72/

 

[I7guy]

Are you delusional? Read what you wrote when I quoted you then re read my responce And when did profit margins ever have anything to do with samsung and android not having any one drawing in on them?

guess what those cheap Samsung phones run on???? Android and guess who owns 90% of the android market share? Samsung! Now go play with your iphone.

Ps samsung made over 20 billion pure profit last year and is making billions in profit every 1/4.

They freaking sold 300 million android phones last year alone

Right, but their mobile phone business is not doing well.

 

[skratch77]

Right, but their mobile phone business is not doing well.

What do you mean not doing well? they are number 1 in volume and number 2 in profit behind apple and post billions in profit while other android OEMs and barely breaking even

 

[Abazigal]

What do you mean not doing well? they are number 1 in volume and number 2 in profit behind apple and post billions in profit while other android OEMs and barely breaking even

Context is everything.

http://www.businessinsider.sg/apple...-smartphone-industry-now-2015-2/#.VU9d7mCZaZw

According to this article, Apple took 93% of the smartphone profits, Samsung is second at 9%, while the rest are breaking even on average. Yes, you read that right - you earlier questioned where I got that Apple was out-earning Samsung 10-to-1. This is what I mean.

And remember, Apple has been posting increasing profits every year, while Samsung's profits is on the decline. It remains whether the S6 can reverse this trend, but I am not holding my breath.

 

[Technarchy]

Right, but their mobile phone business is not doing well.

That's mismanagement. Too many coals in the fire and lack of focus. The last 24 months (prior to the S6), were a complete mess with Samsung mobile flooding the market to an extent that could never be supported by the level of demand.

The above has nothing to do with iPhone 6 trailing with a truly lackluster display, which gives the illusion that it has comparable CPU/GPU performance, battery life, and RAM utilization.

The front facing camera is completely laughable, and the 8MP has been officially surpassed, though I think this was the case as of the S5 a year ago. The lack of quick charging is a hindrance to endurance/usability. Shipping phones with 16gb baseline is nothing more than a money grab, and is highly detrimental to UX because apps are bigger than ever, as are updates.

The app gap is basically non-existant at this stage in the game so that's no longer a valid excuse either.

The eco-system is a valid point though. Especially when speaking of those with Apple heavy households. I am in this group, and as a result a 2gb, 10-12mp camera, 14nm SOC with slightly bigger battery could be enough to swing me back to Apple primarily for simplicity/uniformity in eco-system.

 

[skratch77]

Context is everything.

http://www.businessinsider.sg/apple...-smartphone-industry-now-2015-2/#.VU9d7mCZaZw

According to this article, Apple took 93% of the smartphone profits, Samsung is second at 9%, while the rest are breaking even on average. Yes, you read that right - you earlier questioned where I got that Apple was out-earning Samsung 10-to-1. This is what I mean.

And remember, Apple has been posting increasing profits every year, while Samsung's profits is on the decline. It remains whether the S6 can reverse this trend, but I am not holding my breath.

Apple made 13 billion last q selling 75 million iphones and samsung made 6 billion selling there phones.

what a crazy biased article and is a complete joke to make apple look way better then everyone else.

They are getting it's % because it took apple less sales (volume) with it's insane profit margins to hit it's 13 billion then samsung did to hit it's 6 billion in profit.

Bottom line is Apple did very well with the iPhone 6 and posted its best 1/4s ever and made 13 billion doing it and samsung made 6 billion selling more volume (I thinking I read they sold 300m)

You through apple margins in here when no one was talking about it so again I will ask you how is this an issue for samsung and android when samsung still is the number one selling phone maker and android is on all the phones it selling?

Nothing to do with money and go back and re read your whole spin off story and see what I mean.

 

[Abazigal]

Apple made 13 billion last q selling 75 million iphones and samsung made 6 billion selling there phones.



what a crazy biased article and is a complete joke to make apple look way better then everyone else.



They are getting it's % because it took apple less sales (volume) with it's insane profit margins to hit it's 13 billion then samsung did to hit it's 6 billion in profit.



Bottom line is Apple did very well with the iPhone 6 and posted its best 1/4s ever and made 13 billion doing it and samsung made 6 billion selling more volume (I thinking I read they sold 300m)



You through apple margins in here when no one was talking about it so again I will ask you how is this an issue for samsung and android when samsung still is the number one selling phone maker and android is on all the phones it selling?



Nothing to do with money and go back and re read your whole spin off story and see what I mean.

It's an issue when Android handsets appear to be increasingly commoditized. OEMs like Xiaomi are releasing cheaper handsets which are driving prices, and consequently profits, down. Samsung sold more phones but total profits fell. Apple's average selling price actually increased, and they still sold more iPhones, not less. Because iOS is available only on the iPhone. Apple can stay out of this price war and continuing commanding premium prices for its products. Not forgetting that since Apple owns the whole stack, they also profit every time someone buys an app, iTunes content, iCloud storage etc.

What does this mean for Samsung in the long run as their profits per handset continues to fall? The chief winners here are Apple and Googles. The losers are all the hardware OEMs. Android is that toxic to them.

 

[skratch77]

Samsung road there high horse sales from the gs3 and gs4 and fell flat on there face when the gs5 came out and it's was just a quick same old plastic phone re spun and people didn't have as much interest in it.

Samsung changed it up big time with the gs6 and will post record numbers again next 1/4 because none of there sales have included the gs6 yet.

They won't ever hit the insane 17 billion they hit with the gs3 and will always show a negative gain vs there old days.

You know,the days when apples stock took a nose dive from samsung and apple lost 40 billion in market cap in less then a week when every one was dumping the stock.

That was when samsung was selling the gs3 vs the iPhone 4s and the iPhone didn't even have lte.it got completely dominated by the gs3.

Samsung also has it's app store along Google play store also

Also you do realize that any company can have it's ups and downs right? You are talking like Apple is unstoppable but just 2 years ago it's was bleeding market cap by the second while people were selling there stocks as they went down in price by the second.

look what apple did to recover? They gave you the bigger screen phone and lte. Just for fun if I have time I'm going to try and dig up the apple supporters that were saying 4g is a gimmick and we don't need lte 4g.mam oh man did apple have them brainwashed

Now you have the awesome iPhone 6 because of the pressure samsung put on Apple 2 years ago.

 

[C DM]

The end state is if you live in the Apple eco-system Apple doesn't need specs it's simply the best phone for you. If you do not live in the eco-system no matter the specs the iPhone isn't compelling.

All IMHO of course.

Plenty of people don't have any other Apple products aside from an iPhone and are just as happy with it.

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Samsung road there high horse sales from the gs3 and gs4 and fell flat on there face when the gs5 came out and it's was just a quick same old plastic phone re spun and people didn't have as much interest in it.

Samsung changed it up big time with the gs6 and will post record numbers again next 1/4 because none of there sales have included the gs6 yet.

They won't ever hit the insane 17 billion they hit with the gs3 and will always show a negative gain vs there old days.

You know,the days when apples stock took a nose dive from samsung and apple lost 40 billion in market cap in less then a week when every one was dumping the stock.

That was when samsung was selling the gs3 vs the iPhone 4s and the iPhone didn't even have lte.it got completely dominated by the gs3.

Samsung also has it's app store along Google play store also

Also you do realize that any company can have it's ups and downs right? You are talking like Apple is unstoppable but just 2 years ago it's was bleeding market cap by the second while people were selling there stocks as they went down in price by the second.

look what apple did to recover? They gave you the bigger screen phone and lte. Just for fun if I have time I'm going to try and dig up the apple supporters that were saying 4g is a gimmick and we don't need lte 4g.mam oh man did apple have them brainwashed

Now you have the awesome iPhone 6 because of the pressure samsung put on Apple 2 years ago.

Stocks change often enough for completely irrelevant reasons, so basing things on them wouldn't really be reality. As for Apple getting things later than Samsung or some others, one way is to say that they did it as a response to competition, but there are various other valid takes on it, like Apple taking their time to let something mature before jumping into it (which often pays off for them), or Apple having that timeline built in for various marketing and profit reasons to ensure more people upgrading at different iterations. There's often much more to it all than the most simple potential explanations that come to the mind of someone first.

 

[gotluck]

My point is simple - what does Samsung or any other Android smartphone OEM have to show for all the phones they have sold? Despite its smaller market share, many developers still opt to release apps or create accessories for iOS first. Is selling way more phones than Apple something to be so proud of when your profit is 1 tenth of theirs?

If you are so opposed to me using profits as a metric of success, I can also ask you how market share is relevant, when it's barely earning the OEMs any profit?

The majority of Android handsets are purchased primarily because they are cheap, not so much because of any redeeming qualities of the underlying OS (or at least, these are not benefits that the consumer appreciates).

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I don't see it as bragging. Why is it that Android supporters can get away with touting their majority market share as proof that Android is somehow winning the smartphone race, but I am not allowed to use profits as a counterpoint?

I don't own any Apple stock, and I don't see anything wrong with celebrating Apple's immense profitability. To me, their record profits is not at odds with the fact that Apple does bend over backwards to keep the customer happy and satisfied. I think it says a lot when consumers are willing to pay a higher price for what they perceive is a superior user experience from an Apple product.

People like to dismiss this as being hoodwinked by Apple's marketing, but these dissenters don't seem to understand is that it's a positive reinforcement cycle. Each time an Apple customer buys, uses and is in turn positively delighted by an Apple product, it becomes more likely that they continue using Apple products in future and less likely that they switch away to a competing brand.

To me, Apple has earned every cent, and they rightly deserve every bit of their profits. So yes, why shouldn't I celebrate this? Am I supposed to cheer for the fact that Android has 90% market share, yet is annoyingly still missing Meerkat for Android despite iOS users having had it for months already?

Well, I am arguing that both ends of the spectrum are stupid. You shouldn't be buying a product because it is super profitable for the oem, or if the oem has sold tons of volume. It's all stupid. It should be about personal use cases.

And meerkat and periscope are a poor mans version of the high quality HD streaming apps acestream and sopcast, both of which will never come to iOS due to legal grey area. Had to lol about all the people watching the mayweather fight on a crappy periscope feed when there was a flawless hd sky sports stream available on acestream. Don't act like android doesn't have their own set of apps not available on iOS. Along with cross platform continuity through the likes of pushbullet and email attachments in replies/ better email attachment support overall. Device automation via tasker too.

And regarding your comments on 8 core devices, they are not designed to use all 8 at once, there are 4 high power cores and 4 low power. I do believe it has been determined that quad core processors see regular utilization of all four cores at this point in time. Just based on your comments so far it is pretty apparent that you have never really given android a fair shot and actually used it for a serious amount of time, or at the very least, don't really understand how android works

I really do believe the hardware in the s6 is overall superior to the 6 and 6 plus, which is what this thread is about (and it really should be since it is a newer product). It is the software that is the main con. Of course all Apple people have very little reason to switch regardless, apples mo is locking people in, and they are very good at it.

 

[I7guy]

That's mismanagement. Too many coals in the fire and lack of focus. The last 24 months (prior to the S6), were a complete mess with Samsung mobile flooding the market to an extent that could never be supported by the level of demand.

The above has nothing to do with iPhone 6 trailing with a truly lackluster display, which gives the illusion that it has comparable CPU/GPU performance, battery life, and RAM utilization.

The front facing camera is completely laughable, and the 8MP has been officially surpassed, though I think this was the case as of the S5 a year ago. The lack of quick charging is a hindrance to endurance/usability. Shipping phones with 16gb baseline is nothing more than a money grab, and is highly detrimental to UX because apps are bigger than ever, as are updates.

The app gap is basically non-existant at this stage in the game so that's no longer a valid excuse either.

The eco-system is a valid point though. Especially when speaking of those with Apple heavy households. I am in this group, and as a result a 2gb, 10-12mp camera, 14nm SOC with slightly bigger battery could be enough to swing me back to Apple primarily for simplicity/uniformity in eco-system.

You are entitled to your opinion about the iPhone 6 but the buying public disagrees to the tune of 10s of millions.

 

[gotluck]

You are entitled to your opinion about the iPhone 6 but the buying public disagrees to the tune of 10s of millions.

Again with the sales volume, how is that any kind of reference point for comparing hardware? I didn't know we were talking about popularity now

Imo what it all comes down to is that Apple really doesn't need the best hardware. Apple has no other iOS hardware to compete with, unlike samsung with respect to android. That said I have to expect the next iPhone will trump the s6 in hardware specs, aside from ram amount and Apple will likely not use qhd amoled. The processors are almost impossible to directly compare, I'd consider them to likely be a wash. As far as current gen, the difference in screen resolution makes it quite a bit of an uneven playing field

 

[Technarchy]

You are entitled to your opinion about the iPhone 6 but the buying public disagrees to the tune of 10s of millions.

You might want to recalibrate and reread the thread title to ensure what you're posting has a semblance of relevance.

 

[Vegastouch]

The majority of Android handsets are purchased primarily because they are cheap, not so much because of any redeeming qualities of the underlying OS (or at least, these are not benefits that the consumer appreciates)

I like Android better than iOS. iOS is too restrictive and I don't like Apple telling me what they want me to have and I hate iTunes.

I don't see it as bragging. Why is it that Android supporters can get away with touting their majority market share as proof that Android is somehow winning the smartphone race, but I am not allowed to use profits as a counterpoint?

Well its hardly the same thing. I agree with the poster that said that. Bragging about how much profit Apple makes as a consumer to me sounds dumb. To me it's like saying,... "Yes I know they are scewing me, but I love it that they overcharge me".

How is that the same as someone saying Android has more market share? That has nothing to do with profits. Its just more people using Android and my guess is, the biggest reason for that is they don't cost as much, and then they go down in price much quicker. Apple is still charging you full price for a 5s.

I don't own any Apple stock, and I don't see anything wrong with celebrating Apple's immense profitability. To me, their record profits is not at odds with the fact that Apple does bend over backwards to keep the customer happy and satisfied. I think it says a lot when consumers are willing to pay a higher price for what they perceive is a superior user experience from an Apple product.

Apple is an American company so I like to see them doing well. I'd think we would like to see Google doing well too but some here I get the impression that they wouldn't mind if they weren't which doesn't make sense to me but many here are kids who don't know better.

To me, Apple has earned every cent, and they rightly deserve every bit of their profits. So yes, why shouldn't I celebrate this? Am I supposed to cheer for the fact that Android has 90% market share, yet is annoyingly still missing Meerkat for Android despite iOS users having had it for months already?

They have but it would still be nice for them to give you want you want but that's their prerogative and its my prerogative to buy their stuff or not. I've been choosing not to the past five years. They are just to restrictive.

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Really ? Are you sure about that ?

However it is likely that Qualcomm and Samsung will go up to 12, even 16 cores in the near future as they are at 8 right now.

How many cores a phone has isn't a reason why I buy it.

 

[Vegastouch]

It's an issue when Android handsets appear to be increasingly commoditized. OEMs like Xiaomi are releasing cheaper handsets which are driving prices, and consequently profits, down. Samsung sold more phones but total profits fell. Apple's average selling price actually increased, and they still sold more iPhones, not less. Because iOS is available only on the iPhone. Apple can stay out of this price war and continuing commanding premium prices for its products. Not forgetting that since Apple owns the whole stack, they also profit every time someone buys an app, iTunes content, iCloud storage etc.

What does this mean for Samsung in the long run as their profits per handset continues to fall? The chief winners here are Apple and Googles. The losers are all the hardware OEMs. Android is that toxic to them.

It doesnt mean much. Samsung makes 100's of products. They main profit isnt from their phones. Sure they want to be #1 just like their TV's are #1 but they arent going to go under if they dont make as much profit as an iPhone. They just want to sell more.

The iPhone IS Apples main income. Sure they sell iPods and Laptops, Tablets, etc.. but the iPhone is far and away their biggest profit maker. The things that Apple sell are just a stash in the corner of things that Samsung sells. How many Samsung TV's do you have?

I have 4 TV's and three of them are Samsungs (one is a Vizio and the oldest of the bunch) because they are the best. Sony and LG have good ones too imo but it just so happened that i got good deals when i bought them at different times. Got my last one on a Black Friday for cheap and still $200 less tha that TV is today.

Apple will NEVER have a black friday sale so you talk about profit....well, seems some companies perhaps think they making enough?

Wish i was ONLY making 6 billion. Hec i wouldnt care what anybody else is making.

 

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I wonder if Apple is even able to catch up to the S6 hardware-wise? What if Samsung can't produce enough 14nm CPUs and DDR4 chips for both their own phones and Apple's? And is it realistic that there will be a much improved LCD screen ready for mass-production by September?

Could the performance crown go to Samsung (Galaxy) indefinately? Would be sad, i still prefer iOS, but i also like to have the cutting-edge technology..

Apple has iPhones running on dual core processors and are running smooth as butter. There is no need to do this because:

1. iOS is optimized to run like a champ on such specs.
2. Developers can spend time creating apps for a simple platform. I'm sure it's chaotic as hell designing an App for Android when hardware platform is all over the place and software on most phones is 3 years old.
3. Profit margins. Having the latest and greatest just for bragging rights means you are spending more on that part.