Can Apple close the gap to the S6's hardware?

[Fireblade]

I have a question guys, I know here are some guys knowing it...

Say I buy an iPhone 6+ tomorrow, do I need iTunes to get movies and music on it, or is there any other way around?

 

[gotluck]

I have a question guys, I know here are some guys knowing it...

Say I buy an iPhone 6+ tomorrow, do I need iTunes to get movies and music on it, or is there any other way around?

I believe jailbreak is required for other methods still

 

[Michael Goff]

So I guess the OP is asking could Apple build a 8 core CPU if they wanted? I'm sure they could just copy Samsung's design, thats what Samsung would do. I wouldn't consider a phone a hardware "King" just because its CPU has more cores. If that was the case then AMD would be "King" of the PC CPU. Anyone remember AMD they were core whores and you see where that got them.

AMD: our CPU sucks what can we do?
Designer: well lets just throw more cores at it
AMD: how many cores
Designer: how about 12
AMD: OK will that make it as fast as a Intel i7?
Designer: NO but people can brag about how many cores they have "WIN"
AMD: Lets do it!

Ever wonder why a lot Intel CPUs still have 2 cores with hyper threading? Or they have 4 cores with hyper threading? Why not do the Samsung and go 8 with hyper threading? Why is it only Samsung feels the need for 8 cores? Because Android fans eat that **** up. Thats the only reason.

Edit:
The other thing I wonder too is Samsung doesn't leave themselves a lot of room for growth. What are they going to have a 24 core in 5 years? They just want to "WIN" now and don't seem to think 5 or 10 years down the road.

Only Samsung? So the Snapdragon 810 doesn't exist?

 

[Fireblade]

I believe jailbreak is required for other methods still

Ah ok thank you..

 

[MRU]

I have a question guys, I know here are some guys knowing it...

Say I buy an iPhone 6+ tomorrow, do I need iTunes to get movies and music on it, or is there any other way around?

If you have a google play music or spotify account you can download music direct from the apps onto your device without iTunes

However if your uploading content from your computer, yes you need iTunes. (unless you have them uploaded to GPM) but again it would be quicker to sync to iTunes than download your music library anyway.

You can also use Google movies to download or stream your legitimate movies, and likewise Flixster for your UltraViolet film collection.

So there are legitimate ways to avoid iTunes if you have purchased content or have a digital libray stored elsewhere.

 

[I7guy]

You might want to recalibrate and reread the thread title to ensure what you're posting has a semblance of relevance.

I know exactly what the thread is about. Hardware can't be designed in a vacuum it has to work, at least in a mobile phone more so, in conjunction with software due to battery life and heat concerns. Apple may not have octa-core processors but their chipsets are designed to work intimately with their software. The buying public has voted with their wallets on the performance and function of this closely knit hardware and software. Bigger is not always better; but new research and incremental improvements in both hardware and software provide a better user experience. This is from displays to batteries to new gpus/CPUs, memory chips, internal bus lanes etc.

 

[Vegastouch]

This was never about money and samsung has always put the best hardware in every galaxy s phone they had every year.it was about Apple catching up to samsungs hardware and you spun this into a profit margin campaign.

Second please name me some apps that are so awesome and popular on ios that are not on android.I came from a iPhone 5 to samsung and never once in my life had any apps that I used missing on android so please stop using the app development bs because both eco systems get new apps at the same time.I always see mobile game commercials on TV and at the end of the add it says available on Google play and ios

oculas has an app store for virtual reality games for the gear vr and devs are crazy about that but I don't see you mentioning that.

Samsung made more money then apple all of 2011-2013 with is massive success of the gs3 and it will be hard for samsung to hit the highs it did back then just like it will hard for apple to hit it's highs like it did now with the iPhone 6 next year with the 6s apple finally gave people a bigger phone and you can quote me right now that Apple won't sell as many just like samsung leveled off after the gs4 came out.

1 tenth of the money? Wtf are you talking about? Samsung made pure profit 5 billion last 1/4 and that's with spending 14 billion building the fab to make there 14nm exynos chips in there.

on a side not why don't you wait a 1/4 and see what there margins and profits are next 1/4 with the new sales of the galaxy S6 and edge?

Samsung's pure profits are not as big because it puts alot of it's money into research and development

I don't see apple designing and building a factory to produce 14nm chips.do you think that was just made up from nothing and free?

Samsung owns and built the biggest building on the planet and spent a crap load building it in dubai here is a nice picture for you!!!

Samsung also just built a big research and development facility in Mountain view,ca in the silicon valley, and is expanding its semi conductor division in San Jose,ca.

All of them (Apple and Google,SS) are expanding and building new buildings.Apples is underway right now. Google has several buildings all around the silicon valley with plans to build another brand new one. Apple is actually under construction now with a new Campus and it is going to be quite the sight. A quick search will let you see all of these new buildings.

Here is a video of Apples from April 9th

 

[Dmunjal]

I know exactly what the thread is about. Hardware can't be designed in a vacuum it has to work, at least in a mobile phone more so, in conjunction with software due to battery life and heat concerns. Apple may not have octa-core processors but their chipsets are designed to work intimately with their software. The buying public has voted with their wallets on the performance and function of this closely knit hardware and software. Bigger is not always better; but new research and incremental improvements in both hardware and software provide a better user experience. This is from displays to batteries to new gpus/CPUs, memory chips, internal bus lanes etc.

I think Apple does a good job with their products. But I believe their products in this order :

1. Design
2. Profitability
3. Hardware
4. Software

They first choose a design that is unique in the marketplace, then they choose hardware to maximize profitability, and then finally add software features that allow that hardware to perform well.

Butter smooth performance and battery life are more important than high resolution screens, multicores, and abundant RAM.

I will give them credit because this approach makes them a lot of money. But it doesn't appeal to those who wants the best specs and the best features.

 

[nooaah]

It's almost as if Apple has manipulated their consumers to believing the latest isn't the best.

It's really a trend I wish Apple would snap out of.

They take a lot more into consideration than just raw power for the sake of bullet points in an ad. The big considerations are size, battery life, camera, ease of use, and overall performance. I believe in that order. They will always conform to the design. And Apple hasn't manipulated consumers, they cater towards them. I'm a tech nerd and even I don't care about spec penis measuring contests. I want a device that does everything well, including how it looks. Phones aren't DVD players or blenders. Looks matter when you're carrying it with you at all times. A common theme in this forum is the feeling of superiority over the apple sheep because your phone has 12 cores or a 4k screen. Good on you if you think you're better than me.

 

[Fireblade]

If you have a google play music or spotify account you can download music direct from the apps onto your device without iTunes

However if your uploading content from your computer, yes you need iTunes. (unless you have them uploaded to GPM) but again it would be quicker to sync to iTunes than download your music library anyway.

You can also use Google movies to download or stream your legitimate movies, and likewise Flixster for your UltraViolet film collection.

So there are legitimate ways to avoid iTunes if you have purchased content or have a digital libray stored elsewhere.

Thanks a lot for your extensively answer!
My brother asked me because he could get a 6+ for a good price, but I doubt he will pull the trigger...

 

[Vegastouch]

I think Apple does a good job with their products. But I believe their products in this order :

1. Design
2. Profitability
3. Hardware
4. Software

They first choose a design that is unique in the marketplace, then they choose hardware to maximize profitability, and then finally add software features that allow that hardware to perform well.

Butter smooth performance and battery life are more important than high resolution screens, multicores, and abundant RAM.

I will give them credit because this approach makes them a lot of money. But it doesn't appeal to those who wants the best specs and the best features.

I dont think most people even know or care about specs. All they care about is the screen size, battery life the camera and maybe the logo.

 

[Black Magic]

I think Apple does a good job with their products. But I believe their products in this order :

1. Design
2. Profitability
3. Hardware
4. Software

They first choose a design that is unique in the marketplace, then they choose hardware to maximize profitability, and then finally add software features that allow that hardware to perform well.

Butter smooth performance and battery life are more important than high resolution screens, multicores, and abundant RAM.

I will give them credit because this approach makes them a lot of money. But it doesn't appeal to those who wants the best specs and the best features.

Only Geeks care about specs. Not a big market and not a lot of money to be made there. This is where other manufacturers get lost. Apple figured this out long ago.

 

[Technarchy]

Only Geeks care about specs. Not a big market and not a lot of money to be made there. This is where other manufacturers get lost. Apple figured this out long ago.

Every single person that owns a Note 4 or preordered the S6 is a geek?

 

[tbayrgs]

Every single person that owns a Note 4 or preordered the S6 is a geek?

I think his point is that only geeks shop by specs. The overwhelming majority of consumers will buy a phone because of aesthetics, size, maybe the logo and price. If they're evaluating displays, they are likely just comparing devices side by side to 'see what looks better' so in those cases, a bright display with vibrant colors probably has the greatest impact (and thus why stores like Best Buy have all their TVs at max brightness, contract, and color saturation). These customers aren't comparing display resolutions, GB of RAM, CPU clock speeds or number of cores, battery capacities (I'd wage very few even know what a mAh even is) or anything beyond maybe MP in the camera (and thus why most people immediately think more MP mean a better camera).

 

[J.gerbes]

I wonder if Apple is even able to catch up to the S6 hardware-wise? What if Samsung can't produce enough 14nm CPUs and DDR4 chips for both their own phones and Apple's? And is it realistic that there will be a much improved LCD screen ready for mass-production by September?

Could the performance crown go to Samsung (Galaxy) indefinately? Would be sad, i still prefer iOS, but i also like to have the cutting-edge technology..

You're comparing Apples' and ... Samsung's. They are an entirely different breed of product.

Samsung's hardware is so overpowered to make up for the lack of software efficiency. Sure, the iPhone could do with more RAM, but I don't believe that the raw specs alone are an indicator of performance.

 

[becneel]

Only Geeks care about specs. Not a big market and not a lot of money to be made there. This is where other manufacturers get lost. Apple figured this out long ago.

Only good marketing, looks, and feelings matter.

iPhone 6 will be beyond elite for the next seven years.

 

[thekeyring]

There won't be a problem. I believe Apple held back with specs in the iPhone 6 because they knew the new design would sell the device. People don't need to be told the iPhone X times faster because they get that impression from it's size.

When the iPhone 6S comes out, Apple will boost the CPU and GPU speed considerably.

Looking at screen PPI - this does not matter much now. The iPhone 6 and the iPhone 5C have the same screen on paper (albeit the 6 has a bigger one) but comparing the two side by side... The iPhone 6 looks much better. As for multi-core processors.

I asked my friend (A Nexus-fan) if there were any rumoured features in the new Nexus. He said an 8-core processor. As long as the phone is "fast" according to the user, cores matter very little, especially on a phone. Features like Touch ID matter way more. Also, the iPhone 6's processor can remain at full throttle for longer than a Snapdragon, which goes fast initially and then has to slow down so it won't overheat.

Let's not forget the Galaxy S6 is sixth months newer than the iPhone 6. Would you have compared the iPhone 6 to the S5? No, it would have been unfair.

 

[thekeyring]

Indeed, Apple doesn't sell based on the tech specs alone. They sell because people worship their stuff like idols.

..but people only do this because the products are good.

Im sick of seeing this as an argument. "Apple could sell anything with their logo on and it would sell just because it's Apple"... It might work for a while but eventually people will associate the Apple logo with **** products and stop buying them.

Currently it has value because they make good products. I don't see how anyone can think the iPhone 6 isn't excellent, simply because they read a spec sheet and the Samsung Galaxy S6 has higher numbers. Have you seen or used an iPhone 6?

Like Steve Jobs said "You have to start with the user experience and work back to the technology. Not sit down and work out how to sell what technology you have."

 

[Vegastouch]

There won't be a problem. I believe Apple held back with specs in the iPhone 6 because they knew the new design would sell the device. People don't need to be told the iPhone X times faster because they get that impression from it's size.

When the iPhone 6S comes out, Apple will boost the CPU and GPU speed considerably.

Looking at screen PPI - this does not matter much now. The iPhone 6 and the iPhone 5C have the same screen on paper (albeit the 6 has a bigger one) but comparing the two side by side... The iPhone 6 looks much better. As for multi-core processors.

I asked my friend (A Nexus-fan) if there were any rumoured features in the new Nexus. He said an 8-core processor. As long as the phone is "fast" according to the user, cores matter very little, especially on a phone. Features like Touch ID matter way more. Also, the iPhone 6's processor can remain at full throttle for longer than a Snapdragon, which goes fast initially and then has to slow down so it won't overheat.

Let's not forget the Galaxy S6 is sixth months newer than the iPhone 6. Would you have compared the iPhone 6 to the S5? No, it would have been unfair.

The fact is, the newest iPhone WiLL be compared the the GS6. That's just how it goes since they aren't released at the same time.

For me I don't care though because the iPhone will always be locked down and lacks features so I won't be interested til they loosen up which most likely is never.

 

[thekeyring]

The fact is, the newest iPhone WiLL be compared the the GS6. That's just how it goes since they aren't released at the same time.

For me I don't care though because the iPhone will always be locked down and lacks features so I won't be interested til they loosen up which most likely is never.

I'm not trying to start a flame war - merely interested - but which features does the iPhone lack? Give me say 5 features which if added would make you consider the iPhone again.

 

[gotluck]

I'm not trying to start a flame war - merely interested - but which features does the iPhone lack? Give me say 5 features which if added would make you consider the iPhone again.

file system access(some kind of file picker, such as finder)

full email attachment support, in replies too

ability to load third party apps that lack apple's approval

continuity on windows, more cross platform compatibility

ability to set defaults and inter app connectivity (such as clicking on something in app A automatically loads loads something up in app B)

just let me do tasks the way I want to do them more, loosen up a little bit. Don't make me use itunes to load media from a computer, things like that.

a more 'thorough' ability for apps to run in the background

 

[Dmunjal]

I'm not trying to start a flame war - merely interested - but which features does the iPhone lack? Give me say 5 features which if added would make you consider the iPhone again.

I was an iPhone user until the 4s. I switched to Android because I needed some specific features for work.

1. The ability to reply to emails with an attachment
2. The ability to sync my Dropbox to my local storage
3. The ability to multitask downloads and other passive tasks
4. Better keyboards like SwiftKey
5. Bigger screen
6. Scrollable Widgets support for stocks. I'm an active trader

Some of these are now available from Apple or the JB community. But it's too late to go back.

 

[Vegastouch]

file system access(some kind of file picker, such as finder)

full email attachment support, in replies too

ability to load third party apps that lack apple's approval

continuity on windows, more cross platform compatibility

ability to set defaults and inter app connectivity (such as clicking on something in app A automatically loads loads something up in app B)

just let me do tasks the way I want to do them more, loosen up a little bit. Don't make me use itunes to load media from a computer, things like that.

a more 'thorough' ability for apps to run in the background

Those plus ability to share from any app
Able to customize a home page,use different clocks, keyboards
the ability to change icons
To plug it in to a PC and have it recognized as a hard drive to drag and drop
And ability to not be reliant on iTunes which I hate....all out of the box without jailbreaking.

I'm sure if I thought harder I could come up with more but that surly more than five counting mine and the above things. This is just off the top of my head.

 

[thekeyring]

I was an iPhone user until the 4s. I switched to Android because I needed some specific features for work.

1. The ability to reply to emails with an attachment
2. The ability to sync my Dropbox to my local storage
3. The ability to multitask downloads and other passive tasks
4. Better keyboards like SwiftKey
5. Bigger screen
6. Scrollable Widgets support for stocks. I'm an active trader

Some of these are now available from Apple or the JB community. But it's too late to go back.

Really interesting stuff, thanks. I asked because I wondered how many of the features were possible on iOS, even if buried.

For example: Friend of mine attaches an external hard drive to his Android phone so he can move photos to it. Believes this isn't possible with iPhone, as did I until I googled it and discovered products like Leef iBridge Mobile Memory.

It looks like you know what works for you, which is lovely. Which hardware are you using currently?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

file system access(some kind of file picker, such as finder)

full email attachment support, in replies too

ability to load third party apps that lack apple's approval

continuity on windows, more cross platform compatibility

ability to set defaults and inter app connectivity (such as clicking on something in app A automatically loads loads something up in app B)

just let me do tasks the way I want to do them more, loosen up a little bit. Don't make me use itunes to load media from a computer, things like that.

a more 'thorough' ability for apps to run in the background

Can't you do all those things currently on the android platform? I think Apples unique product would suffer if they made a carbon copy of a rival platform and they would no doubt be ridiculed for it too like they were when they released larger screened devices.

I wouldn't mind seeing a few more options for customising but not opening the file system up because that introduces a load of issues IMO.