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Having tried the FineWoven for a day, I'm not convinced it's anywhere near a good replacement for the leather cases (I've had for my last two iPhones, the 7 plus and 11 pro).

The first impression is that it feels light, flimsy and cheap.

I will however try it for a little while, to see how it holds up after being carried around in a jeans pocket for a few weeks, before I cast any final verdict.

Worst case scenario - pun intended - I need to get a 3rd party case as a Christmas gift (for myself) or something... :)
 
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Continued market share growth calls for politicised profiteering and cheap and nasty becomes expensive and laudable.

And the eulogists persevere with their self-mandated, effusive gushing and capitalism comes up trumps all over again.
 
The problem is that Apple decided they needed something novel to fill that premium price point. They just clearly didn't spend enough R&D effort on…

Touchbar solution for a nonexistent problem just introduced more problems and dissatisfaction. Touchbar went away, function keys returned.

Port reduction solution for nonexistent problem just introduced more problems and dissatisfaction. Ports restored.

Butterfly keyboard solution for a nonexistent problem. Just introduced more problems and dissatisfaction. Proper keyboard restored.

iOS 7 for non-existent usability problems just introduced more problems and areas of dissatisfaction. The harshly-vague aspects of iOS 7 cleaned up right away, and we’re still climbing out of all the vague monochromatic flat design nonsense back towards how things were before iOS 7.

Esc key romaval solution for a nonexistent problem resulted in problems and dissatisfaction. Escape key restored.

Inverted T arrow keys made unnecessarily symmetrical for a nonexistent problem. Inverted T arrow keys restored.

Any bets on when leather will return?
 
I now have the clear plastic case in my hands. I need to use BOTH hands to hold my dang 15 pro max. It’s so slippery.

You’re absolutely correct on this- super slippery. And the open bottom is downright dangerous to the screen edge. But it is literally the only clear case that doesn’t turn yellow on the edges after extensive use. The Spiegen, for example, is a very good clear case but even that eventually gets yellowing on the sides, as does every clear case that uses any lower durometer material (normally PU) along the edges.
 
Having tried the FineWoven for a day, I'm not convinced it's anywhere near a good replacement for the leather cases (I've had for my last two iPhones, the 7 plus and 11 pro).

The first impression is that it feels light, flimsy and cheap.

I will however try it for a little while, to see how it holds up after being carried around in a jeans pocket for a few weeks, before I cast any final verdict.

Worst case scenario - pun intended - I need to get a 3rd party case as a Christmas gift (for myself) or something... :)
yet this experiments costs you $60.00
 
You do realize the leather cases are just a tenth of a mm of leather glued to a plastic case with some MagSafe metal bits, right?

Biodegradable, not so much…
The plastic is a latex polymer with a protein bond with a half life of 80 years.
The metal in the magnet causes zero harm.
That means half the glue is bio degraded in 40 years. Where 100% of the fine wovens case is still setting at the bottom of the dump.
 
As much as this stupid, eco-vegan-planet-saving baloney disgusts me, especially when it's used for no other reasons than cost cutting and virtue signalling, in this particular case I think there's no big loss. I do love leather products in general, but there's no denying that Apple's leather phone cases were plain crap. I've never seen any leather product deteriorate so fast and easily and badly as they did. I suspect it isn't even leather, but just some leather-like, micron-deep layer glued on top of some plastic or cardboard, or something like that. Worst leather product I have ever seen, and by quite a huge margin. It does look great when it's new, though.
 
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Has anyone bought the finewoven Apple Watch straps? I’m seeing any videos on them and I’m considering getting the brown version
That's what I was thinking. Their environmental stance/goals...I get it. But there are ways to be environmentally friendly while also not sacrificing quality and this wasn't it.

A lower price wouldn't make me like this case, but that being said I'd probably hate it less. For this cost, I expected better quality. Kinda curious to know what thoughts are going through the heads of the people at Apple HQ as they see/hear about how many of these cases are being returned. Not seeing how this product/material will be a long-lived offer in their stores.
 
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Do we know Apple Inc. does not care about the humans?

If your argument is:
(1) if you use Li-ion batteries and alloys with cobalt then you do not care about humans; then
(2) none of us (not just Apple) care about humans because we all use items that include Li and Co.
Yes that’s exactly my point…. Apple cares way more about their corporate/financial ESG score than anything else. As do most large businesses. Because it affects THEM on a very personal level in regard to banking and finances. The little help to the environment (if any) is just a byproduct.

And yeah people only REALLY care about something when it deeply and personally affects them. The rest is virtue signaling.
 
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Do we know Apple Inc. does not care about the humans?

If your argument is:
(1) if you use Li-ion batteries and alloys with cobalt then you do not care about humans; then
(2) none of us (not just Apple) care about humans because we all use items that include Li and Co.

Well we know that rather than actually work to improve working conditions at their factories, they installed nets so the workers who jumped to their deaths wouldn't die and could keep working.
 
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Any bets on when leather will return?

Apple will spin this disaster into an opportunity. They won’t want to rollback the shift away from leather, they’ll want to project something else as the next step. They’ll also be able to sell into people realising they need something better (and therefore more expensive) than FineWoven.

If I had to guess, I think we’ll see vegan leather for iPhone 16 - with a $10 price bump.

I’m guessing a tough vegan leather will probably be a more expensive material, and Apple will want to preserve their all-important profit margins.
 
There are so many synthetic products that reliably replicate the leather look that easily could have been used to replace the leather cases, but Apple’s insistence on making a political/social statement (think the first 20 minutes of the product announcement event) by not only eliminating leather, but also anything that could be mistaken for leather and replacing with “woven wokeness” is one of the company’s bigger marketing missteps in recent years.
 
What’s wrong with leather anyway?! It’s a byproduct of the tonnes of beef we all eat. I’d rather leather continue to be made than it go to waste… we’re still eating beef and the cattle are dying in any case. Bring back leather!
Actually cows are bread differently for leather vs beef (and even again for dairy)
 
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This case is awful. I hate it. I’ve used the apple leather case on my 12 pro and it still looks awesome. No way this will last that well. “Green” is the new Waste. Returning and may finally go caseless.
 
I agree it's a cheap looking and feeling case. The inside of the case looks and feels like cheap plastic. I wouldn't pay more that $10-$15 for it. I've seen better ones on Amazon and will be getting one there. Really dissappointed on the quality, I expect more from Apple.
 
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The plastic is a latex polymer with a protein bond with a half life of 80 years.
The metal in the magnet causes zero harm.
That means half the glue is bio degraded in 40 years. Where 100% of the fine wovens case is still setting at the bottom of the dump.

To start, the rigid plastic in leather cases is certainly not latex, more likely PVC. Even if it would be, only natural latex would be fully degradable. But then, natural latex is structurally weak, brittle.

Secondly, the leather is tanned, I.e. chemically treated to color it and make it more resilient. https://www.neratanning.com/biodegradable-leather/

Thirdly, magnets contain iron, nickel, cobalt, they are far from biodegradable or harmless. https://iris.who.int/rest/bitstreams/1403896/retrieve

These case products are far from degradable or sustainable …

But whatever, carry on bemoaning the loss of the precious leather case and don’t let facts get in your way!
 
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