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Mike Boreham

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Does it launch at login properly in your MBAs? I've just installed it, and although I'm happy with it, if I reboot the computer it doesn't launch at login, although the "launch at login" checkbox is marked.

It is always launching at login currently but I have experienced it not doing so in the past. As @Apple_Robert says, try reinstalling Helper from the General Settings tab.
 

Apple_Robert

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My bad.

I didn't realize I was running Aldente from the download folder. After moving it to the Applications folder, it launches at login.

Newbie in this OS. sorry.

Thank you both.
Yea, what a noob :p Don't worry about it. We all make mistakes sometimes. At least you figured out the problem and got it working.
 
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The drop in capacity seems to have been a very sudden event on March 7th, not a gradual process. I was not aware of anything on March 7th to draw my attention. I only discovered later. Here is my Capacity history from Better Battery 2:

View attachment 1763045

The MBA was new on Nov 21st 2020, and I used Apple's Optimised Charging until I installed AlDente on Feb 18th.

During the three months with only Apple Optimised Charging I only saw it drop to 80% once briefly.

I really don't know what to make of this. I suspect that my battery had some unrelated (to charging control) event and hoping that AlDente makes the most of it from here on.

Incidentally, the Battery Pref Pane is still telling me that mine is 100%. I have seen reports of people who are already seeing the Apple Pref Pane reporting less than 100%, which I might have expected with mine.
When I purchased my 2014 MacBook Pro as brand new, in coconut battery it was showing less than the design capacity (%96) from start.
Also if I were you I would call apple care, they send you a mail and connect to you computer remotely. Run few tests and see if there is a hardware issue. It might be a faulty battery which degrades quickly, in that case it might be better to not to use Al Dante to keep it in good shape, so they can replace it?
 

Mike Boreham

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When I purchased my 2014 MacBook Pro as brand new, in coconut battery it was showing less than the design capacity (%96) from start.
Also if I were you I would call apple care, they send you a mail and connect to you computer remotely. Run few tests and see if there is a hardware issue. It might be a faulty battery which degrades quickly, in that case it might be better to not to use Al Dante to keep it in good shape, so they can replace it?

I very much doubt Apple would do anything at this stage, as the the Battery Pref Pane shows:

Screenshot 2021-04-24 at 23.15.01.png


...and also since that sharp drop to 94.5% it has slowly climbed back to 96%.

I have Applecare + on it so there are another 2.5 years to see what happens.
 

emrelee

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I very much doubt Apple would do anything at this stage, as the the Battery Pref Pane shows:

View attachment 1763350

...and also since that sharp drop to 94.5% it has slowly climbed back to 96%.

I have Applecare + on it so there are another 2.5 years to see what happens.
Mine also shows %100 after two months but coconut shows %101 percent capacity :) I don’t know which one to believe. I love imacs better. No battery management concerns at all.
 
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Mine also shows %100 after two months but coconut shows %101 percent capacity :) I don’t know which one to believe. I love imacs better. No battery management concerns at all.

HaHa! I think that Coconut and other third party apps take the instantaneous value of max battery capacity from ioreg, which fluctuates daily as my plot shows. Apple don't want people reacting to fluctuations so have some alogithm which heavily damps the daily variations over some period.
 
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Mike Boreham

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The drop in capacity seems to have been a very sudden event on March 7th, not a gradual process. I was not aware of anything on March 7th to draw my attention. I only discovered later. Here is my Capacity history from Better Battery 2:

View attachment 1763045

The MBA was new on Nov 21st 2020, and I used Apple's Optimised Charging until I installed AlDente on Feb 18th.

During the three months with only Apple Optimised Charging I only saw it drop to 80% once briefly.

I really don't know what to make of this. I suspect that my battery had some unrelated (to charging control) event and hoping that AlDente makes the most of it from here on.

Incidentally, the Battery Pref Pane is still telling me that mine is 100%. I have seen reports of people who are already seeing the Apple Pref Pane reporting less than 100%, which I might have expected with mine.

Just to update this....and underline why Apple obviously apply a heavily weighted averaging process to the raw health data, my M1 MBA battery seems to have been recovering:
Screenshot 2021-04-28 at 11.52.53.png
Screenshot 2021-04-28 at 11.52.53.png
 
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Apple_Robert

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I installed AlDente on my new MacBook 12" with Big Sur and it doesn't appear to be working correctly as to discharging to the set percentage, even with the Intel mode enabled. Most of the time, the SMC key seems to fail and Big Sur starts charging again. I also tried the Intel mode off.

Has anyone else with an Intel Mac run across this kind of problem?
 
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I installed AlDente on my new MacBook 12" with Big Sur and it doesn't appear to be working correctly as to discharging to the set percentage, even with the Intel mode enabled. Most of the time, the SMC key seems to fail and Big Sur starts charging again. I also tried the Intel mode off.

Has anyone else with an Intel Mac run across this kind of problem?
Yep. Not sure what it is but several times now I’ve come back to a fully charged laptop. Reinstalled the helper then reset the percentage a few times seems to have done it for now.
 
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Yep. Not sure what it is but several times now I’ve come back to a fully charged laptop. Reinstalled the helper then reset the percentage a few times seems to have done it for now.
Thanks for the reply, Big Mac.

Just so I am clear on the Intel mode, which I haven't used before today, I installed the pro version, enabled Intel mode and set the battery percentage to 65%. I also tried Intel mode off and did the Calibration mode, which didn't work and almost completely drained my battery. I couldn't get the charger to charge the battery and had to reset the SMC.

Have you reported this to the developers? If not, we should.

By the way, I even tried AlDente 2.2 and got the same kind of results.

The M1 version has been working well.
 
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Thanks for the reply, Big Mac.

Just so I am clear on the Intel mode, which I haven't used before today, I installed the pro version, enabled Intel mode and set the battery percentage to 65%. I also tried Intel mode off and did the Calibration mode, which didn't work and almost completely drained my battery. I couldn't get the charger to charge the battery and had to reset the SMC.

Have you reported this to the developers? If not, we should.

By the way, I even tried AlDente 2.2 and got the same kind of results.

The M1 version has been working well.
Ah, I have an Intel MBP (work) and an M1 MBP. I've got AlDente Pro installed on both.

Ever since 11.3.1 I kept coming back to a fully charged MBP. I do not have intel mode turned on (it has worked despite this). So I just reinstalled Al Dente, and set it several times, quit, then restart, and set it again. That seems to have fixed the MBP going to full charge several times ever since 11.3.1.

My M1 MBP seems unaffected. <shrug>.

I've never tried the calibration mode. My thought is, cuz I set it at 70-80% it seems to maintain good % calibration (if I did 40-60% I'd probably calibrate regularly). Good to know about setting the SMC. That freaks me out - having an app like this set it so the OS won't charge and then losing power lol. Bit of a horror story there.
 

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What is everyone's opinion of the recalibration option in AlDente? Part of me says that it's a good idea occasionally to keep battery percentages accurate, and another part of me says that it will just waste a cycle. Does the positive outweigh the negative? Have people seen a significant improvement/difference after recalibrating?
 
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What is everyone's opinion of the recalibration option in AlDente? Part of me says that it's a good idea occasionally to keep battery percentages accurate, and another part of me says that it will just waste a cycle. Does the positive outweigh the negative? Have people seen a significant improvement/difference after recalibrating?
I think it is a good idea and there is data that speaks to it being a good idea.

Even if you use a cycle a day, it will still take you over 3 years before you may get alerted to needing your battery checked.

Cycle count should not be the focus. Exercising the battery on a regular basis along with not allowing it to go to extremes charging or temperature is what should be the focus.
 
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Ah, I have an Intel MBP (work) and an M1 MBP. I've got AlDente Pro installed on both.

Ever since 11.3.1 I kept coming back to a fully charged MBP. I do not have intel mode turned on (it has worked despite this). So I just reinstalled Al Dente, and set it several times, quit, then restart, and set it again. That seems to have fixed the MBP going to full charge several times ever since 11.3.1.

My M1 MBP seems unaffected. <shrug>.

I've never tried the calibration mode. My thought is, cuz I set it at 70-80% it seems to maintain good % calibration (if I did 40-60% I'd probably calibrate regularly). Good to know about setting the SMC. That freaks me out - having an app like this set it so the OS won't charge and then losing power lol. Bit of a horror story there.
I heard back from support this morning. My MacBook 12" is not supported under the pro version. I was told the limiter should still work. I don't think Matthias bothered reading all of my email, as he seems to have conveniently disregarded the entirety of what I communicated. I will take care of the battery on my MacBook 12" manually when needed, along with the help of the app "Better Battery 2."
 

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I heard back from support this morning. My MacBook 12" is not supported under the pro version. I was told the limiter should still work. I don't think Matthias bothered reading all of my email, as he seems to have conveniently disregarded the entirety of what I communicated.
I wouldn't put it past to me causing the problem too with an accidental Mac crash. Between my EGPU and running apps that blow up - I restart a fair bit, so it could have been my fault too for AlDente not working. lol.
 

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I think it is a good idea and there is data that speaks to it being a good idea.

Even if you use a cycle a day, it will still take you over 3 years before you may get alerted to needing your battery checked.

Cycle count should not be the focus. Exercising the battery on a regular basis along not allowing it to go to extremes charging or temperature is what should be the focus.
Ok, but in my case, this is my usage: I always use my MBP on the battery EXCEPT when it needs a charge. When it goes down to 30%, I plug it in. Then, (using AlDente to make sure it doesn't exceed), I charge it to 70%, and then unplug. Rarely, when discharging, it goes a few percentages below 30% before I replug. (I wish there was an "alarm" that could ring when the level goes down to 30%). So, for the most part, by battery moves between 30% and 70%. With this, I use about 2/3 of a cycle per day. So, it seems the battery is getting a healthy amount od "exercise". Even with this type of usage, is calibrating still a positive thing to do?
 

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Ok, but in my case, this is my usage: I always use my MBP on the battery EXCEPT when it needs a charge. When it goes down to 30%, I plug it in. Then, (using AlDente to make sure it doesn't exceed), I charge it to 70%, and then unplug. Rarely, when discharging, it goes a few percentages below 30% before I replug. (I wish there was an "alarm" that could ring when the level gets to 30%). So, for the most part, by battery moves between 30% and 70%. With this, I use about 2/3 of a cycle per day. So, it seems the battery is getting a healthy amount od "exercise". Even with this type of usage, is calibrating still a positive thing to do?
With your routine, you still need to let the battery discharge to 15 - 20 and then charge to 100% twice a month.

I use the built-in Stickies app and have a sticky on my Home Screen that shows the dates when I did a full calibration of the battery. You might consider doing something like that as well.
 
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