Compared to the rest of the market, the iPhone isn't a top 10 smartphone.

[pedromcm.pm]

Really?

Despite what the OP might say, it is perplexing to see how someone serious might even suggest that the iPhone doesn't make the top 10 of that list.

Using all the current info available, the iPhone shoots better pictures and videos than every single device on that list, on every single situation, despite not doing any 4k.

It also has a better SoC, that makes it superior than every single device on that list from a performance perspective, and it will be supported for much longer.

The display on iPhones is only matched/surpassed by the one on the note 4, that might have a better panel, but really due to the higher brightness/lamination/0gap process, the iPhone is just better to use. "it feels like you are touching the pixels!"

also, once you make some standard benchmarks (display at the same nits (not percentage of brightness, that is useless and only amateur websites like phonearena and the like do it), SoC with the same performance output and the same tasks) the iPhone ends having the best/close battery performance (than those on the list) while maintaining a higher performance level for longer (due to it's design and SoC, it doesn't throttle).

Also, it has a much better ecosystem.

Again, the OP wasn't in doubt whether the iPhone was 1st, 2nd or 3rd, it took it off the top ten. It's amusing, especially when every single newsworthy publication consider them by far the best devices ever made, and demand is proof that the typical consumer agrees.

If someone doesn't like iPhones, they must be factual about it, otherwise it's just plain trolling. It is set in stone that the iPhone is insanely better than all of those devices (camera, screen, performance, support, ecosystem), so you could only justify yourself by having grips with iOS, that is the best ecosystem.

Again, this thread starts with trolling, by the looks of it. Not surprised, not impressed.

Personally I don't have an iPhone, and the reasons that make me not have an iPhone also make me not have any high end Android device (price: I can find something that suits my needs on the low to mid end). If I was to buy an high end device, the iPhone is the only option. The others are just filler that no one cares, no one wants, no one will buy. Even those from Samsung.

Hey, I have every single financial report from those companies as evidence!

 

[fredaroony]

Also, it has a much better ecosystem.

How about backing that statement up with some examples.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Despite what the OP might say, it is perplexing to see how someone serious might even suggest that the iPhone doesn't make the top 10 of that list.

Using all the current info available, the iPhone shoots better pictures and videos than every single device on that list, on every single situation, despite not doing any 4k.

It also has a better SoC, that makes it superior than every single device on that list from a performance perspective, and it will be supported for much longer.

The display on iPhones is only matched/surpassed by the one on the note 4, that might have a better panel, but really due to the higher brightness/lamination/0gap process, the iPhone is just better to use. "it feels like you are touching the pixels!"

also, once you make some standard benchmarks (display at the same nits (not percentage of brightness, that is useless and only amateur websites like phonearena and the like do it), SoC with the same performance output and the same tasks) the iPhone ends having the best/close battery performance (than those on the list) while maintaining a higher performance level for longer (due to it's design and SoC, it doesn't throttle).

Also, it has a much better ecosystem.

Again, the OP wasn't in doubt whether the iPhone was 1st, 2nd or 3rd, it took it off the top ten. It's amusing, especially when every single newsworthy publication consider them by far the best devices ever made, and demand is proof that the typical consumer agrees.

If someone doesn't like iPhones, they must be factual about it, otherwise it's just plain trolling. It is set in stone that the iPhone is insanely better than all of those devices (camera, screen, performance, support, ecosystem), so you could only justify yourself by having grips with iOS, that is the best ecosystem.

Again, this thread starts with trolling, by the looks of it. Not surprised, not impressed.

Personally I don't have an iPhone, and the reasons that make me not have an iPhone also make me not have any high end Android device (price: I can find something that suits my needs on the low to mid end). If I was to buy an high end device, the iPhone is the only option. The others are just filler that no one cares, no one wants, no one will buy. Even those from Samsung.

Hey, I have every single financial report from those companies as evidence!

You have the nerve to saying someone is trolling with the rant you just spurt out.

 

[pedromcm.pm]

How about backing that statement up with some examples.

IF at this point you want examples, there's no point in actually giving them because your mind was set before you even asked. I made a ****ing big wall of text with gazillion reasons justifying why the iPhone is by far better than those devices and why history will remember it that way... And that was the point.

Publications agree. Costumers agree.

And to try and take credibility away, divert attention (aka trolling), there you are, desperately hanging yourself to that tiny bit of text.

But yes, it has a much better ecosystem than all of those devices to the point that all of those devices (with the exception of the awesome Moto G that I'm targeting) have completely fallen out of the radar of more than 8 in 10 high end phone costumers.

You can blame better apps, better services , better ways of doing things, better stores in devices and better features and what they enable (touch ID and Apple pay, the simple way to handle passwords, etc.), better support, better/more accessories.

It has a better ecosystem.

 

[fredaroony]

IF at this point you want examples, there's no point in actually giving them because your mind was set before you even asked. I made a ****ing big wall of text with gazillion reasons justifying why the iPhone is by far better than those devices and why history will remember it that way... And that was the point.

Publications agree. Costumers agree.

And to try and take credibility away, divert attention (aka trolling), there you are, desperately hanging yourself to that tiny bit of text.

But yes, it has a much better ecosystem than all of those devices to the point that all of those devices (with the exception of the awesome Moto G that I'm targeting) have completely fallen out of the radar of more than 8 in 10 high end phone costumers.

You can blame better apps, better services , better ways of doing things, better stores in devices and better features and what they enable (touch ID and Apple pay, the simple way to handle passwords, etc.), better support, better/more accessories.

It has a better ecosystem.

Just what I thought....you have nothing lol. You should try harder next time champ.

You are so transparent it's funny.

 

[pedromcm.pm]

You have the nerve to saying someone is trolling with the rant you just spurt out.

What rant? It's the truth. Use one. Ask costumers. Ask publications. Do your own unbiased tests.

There's no way around it. The vast majority of users not buying iPhones do it only because of the hefty price tag.

More than ever, if you aren't buying an iPhone, you are buying a Moto G-kind of device, not a S5.

It was never as set in stone as it is now. Saying otherwise is not having notion of what goes around of the world. At least this generation, Apple steamrolled everybody on the high end.

And what is wrong with that? Personally, as an engineering student on the best engineering college of my country and someone that loves tech, I value and admire what they did with the SoC, camera and so on, the whole manufacturing process, screen lamination process, etc. And they are getting the rewards for it.

Still, I'm going to buy a Moto G (when they release one with updated internals, not the same 1year old device with a bigger screen), not an iPhone.

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Just what I thought....you have nothing lol. You should try harder next time champ.

You are so transparent it's funny.

I have nothing? I just stated there, champ:

"You can blame better apps, better services , better ways of doing things, better stores in devices and better features and what they enable (touch ID and Apple pay, the simple way to handle passwords, etc.), better support, better/more accessories."

And everything I said on that post about what you are trying to do is true. Again, deal with reality.

 

[fredaroony]

What rant? It's the truth. Use one. Ask costumers. Ask publications. Do your own unbiased tests.

There's no way around it. The vast majority of users not buying iPhones do it only because of the hefty price tag.

More than ever, if you aren't buying an iPhone, you are buying a Moto G-kind of device, not a S5.

It was never as set in stone as it is now. Saying otherwise is not having notion of what goes around of the world. At least this generation, Apple steamrolled everybody on the high end.

And what is wrong with that? Personally, as an engineering student on the best engineering college of my country and someone that loves tech, I value and admire what they did with the SoC, camera and so on, the whole manufacturing process, screen lamination process, etc. And they are getting the rewards for it.

Still, I'm going to buy a Moto G (when they release one with updated internals, not the same 1year old device with a bigger screen), not an iPhone.

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I have nothing? I just stated there, champ:

"You can blame better apps, better services , better ways of doing things, better stores in devices and better features and what they enable (touch ID and Apple pay, the simple way to handle passwords, etc.), better support, better/more accessories."

And everything I said on that post about what you are trying to do is true. Again, deal with reality.

When one of your so called examples is "better ways of doing things" you have already lost the argument buddy.

 

[pedromcm.pm]

When one of your so called examples is "better ways of doing things" you have already lost the argument buddy.

There you are, hanging yourself to another tiny bit of text for dear life, while diverting attention and ignoring everything else again.

By better ways of doing things, I meant something like you can handle passwords with touch ID, for example. 99,999% of Android users can only dream of having a similar solution, someday, somehow, maybe, not to mention how great it is and how flawlessly it works, unlike half-assed implementations. Just look at those adoption rates of touch ID, for some evidence.

Again, a much better ecosystem. Deal with it.

Having said that, stating the obvious wasn't the point of this conversation. It's about how can someone write what the OP wrote with the straight face. Your attempts to ignore reality are irrelevant to any discussion. Clearly you aren't prepared to any thoughtful discussion.

 

[fredaroony]

There you are, hanging yourself to another tiny bit of text for dear life, while diverting attention and ignoring everything else again.

By better ways of doing things, I meant something like you can handle passwords with touch ID, for example. 99,999% of Android users can only dream of having a similar solution, someday, somehow, maybe, not to mention how great it is and how flawlessly it works, unlike half-assed implementations. Just look at those adoption rates of touch ID, for some evidence.

Again, a much better ecosystem. Deal with it.

Having said that, stating the obvious wasn't the point of this conversation. It's about how can someone write what the OP wrote with the straight face. Your attempts to ignore reality are irrelevant to any discussion. Clearly you aren't prepared to any thoughtful discussion.

Nearly all of what you posted was nonsense so need to have a discussion pal.

 

[pedromcm.pm]

Nearly all of what you posted was nonsense so need to have a discussion pal.

Ok, then. As you wish.

Unfortunately for you, reality won't change. Have a nice day.

 

[AppleRobert]

IPhone not in the top ten is lunacy. There I said it, even a 5th grader wouldn't go there.

No need to even read the post, have fun folks.

 

[Savor]

I personally wouldn't go that far down the list but ALOT of those phones can make a case they are better than iPhone 6/6 Plus.

I think Apple really lost their edge after iPhone 4s and iOS5. You can even make a case the 3-year old 4s can hold its own vs many previous iPhones and Androids. I haven't really been wowed by iPhone since 2010 with the 4 and before that with the og in 2007. Only TWICE in its lifetime. When many features are now playing catch-up to Android and iOS looked the same for SIX straight generations and iPhones' biggest design diffentiation is the rear side with the front generally looking the same, how could we get wowed by Apple that many times? And the tablet industry with iPad was a OVERRATED tablet industry. Look at the drop in sales and over saturated market after just FOUR short years?

I don't think iOS is even the best mobile OS right now. It has become the LEAST INTERESTING. And based on hardware, the specs aren't a grand slam either. What is saving Apple is a handcuffed ecosystem where it is hardly growing once it got saturated enough, apps, good camera, and overall experience that most fanboys keep harping about. But based on an OS trying to push the envelope, overall specs, and value, Apple is nowhere near Android devices.

 

[Menel]

In a nutshell, this list is comprised of phones I objectively think are in the top ten. Reasons range from device capabilities/software, to battery life and other specs. Long story short, they'd be phones one can argue is better than a phone not on this list. There were other phones I felt could have possibly made the list, or come close to it.

You mean Subjectively.

 

[pedromcm.pm]

I personally wouldn't go that far down the list but ALOT of those phones can make a case they are better than iPhone 6/6 Plus.

I think Apple really lost their edge after iPhone 4s and iOS5. You can even make a case the 3-year old 4s can hold its own vs many previous iPhones and Androids. I haven't really been wowed by iPhone since 2010 with the 4 and before that with the og in 2007. Only TWICE in its lifetime. When many features are now playing catch-up to Android and iOS looked the same for SIX straight generations and iPhones' biggest design diffentiation is the rear side with the front generally looking the same, how could we get wowed by Apple that many times? And the tablet industry with iPad was a OVERRATED tablet industry. Look at the drop in sales and over saturated market after just FOUR short years?

I don't think iOS is even the best mobile OS right now. It has become the LEAST INTERESTING. And based on hardware, the specs aren't a grand slam either. What is saving Apple is a handcuffed ecosystem where it is hardly growing once it got saturated enough, apps, good camera, and overall experience that most fanboys keep harping about. But based on an OS trying to push the envelope, overall specs, and value, Apple is nowhere near Android devices.

Unless we are talking about performance, screens, camera, SoC and so on, right? Can we agree that you do not have the necessary knowledge to say what you said? I mean, clearly you have no idea of what you are talking about. Why say it in the first place? What is your intention with that post? Who are you trying to fool?

 

[AppleRobert]

Apple builds on its previous devices, it doesn't throw features unto a device any calls it a day by just increasing RAM. We know have far that gets folks with android smartphones. Why is it that they and Windows can get by with lower amounts of Ram? Geez, I wonder.

How bout TouchID? What is the going rate for success with devices that have it?

Is there a Windows smartphone on the list? Geez, how much more fuel do I need to discredit this thread given the topic title?

 

[nfl46]

Lol. I honestly cannot believe the iPhone 6/6+ wasn't in that list.

 

[I7guy]

It was a snarky based question based on your claim that all your iDevices have had zero issues, which of course is a complete lie.

Sorry, you don't know what you don't know. Which is always the case.

- iphone 4 - 4 years; original device retired for 5s
- 2 iphone 4 - 3 years; after the third year both devices replaced; speaker, microphone, home button etc.
- 5s; original device replaced within 14 day window with new device; new device going on one year.

 

[jamezr]

Sorry, you don't know what you don't know. Which is always the case.

LOL....thanks Captain Obvious /s

 

[pdqgp]

You have the nerve to saying someone is trolling with the rant you just spurt out.

^^ This. The best part is he's done this before and doesn't own the device which IMO is a huge credibility piece. I'm sorry but if you don't own it, you can't really be deemed solid.

the iPhone is by far better than those devices and why history will remember it that way...

No, the reality is history will remember Apple and the iPhone for being a great marketing company with perfectly marketed product. It's not the best at anything but it does a good job. It's just marketed brilliantly.

And to try and take credibility away, divert attention (aka trolling), there you are, desperately hanging yourself to that tiny bit of text.

No one is trying to do that. They are just drawing attention to the reality of the matter. The Toyota Camry and line up of cars are exactly the same.

But yes, it has a much better ecosystem than all of those devices

Meh...I'll give it the ecosystem as a strength and one that I think Android devices need to go after more, but in the end, I use a Windows PC, an iPad Air and Note 3 and all three co-exist is a great way. I don't miss the "ecosystem" of having an iPhone at all. Not one bit. I can do many if not all the same things and in many cases better. Just in a slightly different way.

It has a better ecosystem.

Again, we can agree to disagree. Still interested in what you see makes it better.

There's no way around it. The vast majority of users not buying iPhones do it only because of the hefty price tag.

It's not price related but value related. I can easily afford a bigger house or car or device, but choose not to. Many who don't have that ability buy based on bang for the buck.

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By better ways of doing things, I meant something like you can handle passwords with touch ID, for example. 99,999% of Android users can only dream of having a similar solution, someday, somehow, maybe, not to mention how great it is and how flawlessly it works, unlike half-assed implementations. Just look at those adoption rates of touch ID, for some evidence.

I have zero interest in a fingerprint system and hardly dream of one. A simple four digit passcode to unlock my phone is fine. I can also do the same for e-pay systems and have used it extensively this past week. No touch ID needed or missed. In fact 85-90% of the world relies on non iOS devices and I don't see 99% of them dreaming of touch ID.

Again, a much better ecosystem. Deal with it.

Prove it through examples. Oh wait, you don't own one so you can't do it first-hand.

 

[I7guy]

LOL....thanks Captain Obvious /s

You're welcome Captain Obvious SR!

 

[jamezr]

You're welcome Captain Obvious SR!

LOL....you might not know what you're talking about......but at least you're entertaining!

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Sorry, you don't know what you don't know. Which is always the case.

 

[The Game 161]

I think this thread needs to be locked. It's becoming like all the other threads like this lately.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I have zero interest in a fingerprint system and hardly dream of one. A simple four digit passcode to unlock my phone is fine. I can also do the same for e-pay systems and have used it extensively this past week. No touch ID needed or missed. In fact 85-90% of the world relies on non iOS devices and I don't see 99% of them dreaming of touch ID.



Prove it through examples. Oh wait, you don't own one so you can't do it first-hand.

If you owned a device with a fingerprint reader as good as the latest iOS devices, you never know you might realise it's a nice addition that speeds things up. I never rated it when I saw it on the 5S, but having used it for a couple of months now I have to say it's very useful. I tested the equivalent on an S5 and Apple seem to have got that technology nailed.

You advice on owning a device before criticising it's features would be put to great effect here.

 

[jamezr]

Compared to the rest of the market, the iPhone isn't a top 10 smartphone.

You advice on owning a device before criticising it's features would be put to great effect here.

Great advice..... Add to that current version mobile OSes too!

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Great advice..... Add to that mobile OSes too!

I think most of us qualify for that anyway. It's surely a basic requirement for discussion here!