Compared to the rest of the market, the iPhone isn't a top 10 smartphone.

[The-Real-Deal82]

I don't equate sales or market share to being the best. For example, the One Plus One has virtually no market share at all, however it is easily one of the best smartphones out. The majority of the public has never even heard of it, but that doesn't make it any less of a device.

I agree there is some very good phones out there that a lot people have never heard of. I also think there are phones out there that may not be as feature packed as others, and get over looked because of this. It goes to show that each individuals criteria for picking a top phone may not be the same.

 

[pedromcm.pm]

I've done my own and a couple quick things that jumped out at me, that immediately caused it to fall short. For what I do for a living, I have to email various files from the field. With the iPhone, I couldn't even attach multiple attachments of different file types to one email. This meant I couldn't email the office the field pictures with the signed pdf document, and the completed doc file. That is a GLARING issue. Another is downloading files. Some vendors we do business with will send us live links to pull certain things down in the field, and expect us to upload the updated version back via the web form. I need a to be able to do this....I couldn't do it with the iPhone.

Simply put, it came up short...BIG TIME.


Well what phone would you remove in order to place it in the top 10?



That's somewhat what my list demonstrates. For those 10, you can pretty much argue any of them are better (hence also why I didn't try to come up with an order for them).



And THAT lack of ram is exactly why you see all those refreshes in the iPhone's Safari browser. Perhaps with more RAM it would be capable of better multitasking without losing the browser's state.


I don't feel that Windows Phone OS is quite ready yet. It's decent for what it is, but still has a ways to go before anything running Windows Phone is ready to be considered a top device, in my opinion.


Well in particular, what phone would you remove to put it in that list?

All of them, dude. All of them. If you can't see that as a device for the big majority of the population the iPhone is by far better than all of them (as the vast majority of costumers and reviewers agree, at similar prices) there's no point in keeping this thread open.

The iPhone keeps up with the best of them in battery life, while having the best camera, being more powerful, having a better ecosystem, accesories and it will be supported longer. Not only that, it costs more or less the same and it has a screen that is only matched by the note 4, while having extreme accuracy, 0 gap laminated display and is brighter.

It's no wonder some posters shouted "lunacy" to what you implied. Thankfully only a small subset of people will agree with you, and life will keep going on accordingly.

 

[Kariya]

In a nutshell, this list is comprised of phones I objectively think are in the top ten. Reasons range from device capabilities/software, to battery life and other specs. Long story short, they'd be phones one can argue is better than a phone not on this list. There were other phones I felt could have possibly made the list, or come close to it.

This made me giggle.

 

[Oletros]

This made me giggle.

Yap, I think and objectively doesn't match too much

 

[Scarpad]

I think the one thing being overlooked is that its not all about the Hardware its also about the OS and the Apps, mainly about the apps, I have a Nokia Lumia 1520 now and its one of the best pieces of hardware I've ever owned, the battery life eclipses all other phones I've tried, but the sometime gitchy OS (it freezes and repoots occasionally, usually when I need it not to) and the Quality and lack of apps in the windows ecosystems stops it from being the best. Same thing in the android side, the OS has made great strides and is pretty solid now, still the apps when compared to the IOS versions are not as good often, so while the Note 4 might eclipse the 6's hardware the apps make the difference up.

 

[animalx]

I think the one thing being overlooked is that its not all about the Hardware its also about the OS and the Apps, mainly about the apps, I have a Nokia Lumia 1520 now and its one of the best pieces of hardware I've ever owned, the battery life eclipses all other phones I've tried, but the sometime gitchy OS (it freezes and repoots occasionally, usually when I need it not to) and the Quality and lack of apps in the windows ecosystems stops it from being the best. Same thing in the android side, the OS has made great strides and is pretty solid now, still the apps when compared to the IOS versions are not as good often, so while the Note 4 might eclipse the 6's hardware the apps make the difference up.

I don't see any real app quality disparity. I think that is an old argument that no longer rings true.

 

[Dontazemebro]

Without the space that's a very different thing

LMAO how did I miss this gem

 

[mercuryjones]

I don't see any real app quality disparity. I think that is an old argument that no longer rings true.

And I feel that app disparity does still ring true. See how that works?

 

[animalx]

And I feel that app disparity does still ring true. See how that works?

Amazing isn't it?!

 

[mercuryjones]

Amazing isn't it?!

So, that obviously makes the iPhone 6/ Plus the number 1 phone on the market, just because of the diversity of apps and accessories for it. I mean, where else can you get top rated apps first, as well as the amount of add ons for the devices (which include cases, medical equipment, audio equipment, etc)? Definitely not Android handsets.

 

[Ulenspiegel]

And I feel that app disparity does still ring true. See how that works?

Your feeling is false. (See how it works?). Anyway, could you provide any sufficient proof? I use both platforms on daily basis and use the same or equivalent apps. I am really looking forward to your concrete evidence.

So, that obviously makes the iPhone 6/ Plus the number 1 phone on the market, just because of the diversity of apps and accessories for it. I mean, where else can you get top rated apps first, as well as the amount of add ons for the devices (which include cases, medical equipment, audio equipment, etc)? Definitely not Android handsets.

You kidding, right?

 

[daneoni]

A friend of mine asked me where I thought the iPhone ranked in today's smartphone market. After doing a quick run down of phones I know to be better, I realized the iPhone isn't even a top 10 smartphone at this point. In no particular order, here is a list of my top 10.

1. Note 4
2. Note 4 Edge
3. Nexus 6
4. LG G3
5. Galaxy S5
6. Moto X (2014)
7. One Plus One
8. Xperia Z3
9. Xperia Z3 Compact
10. HTC One M8 / Droid Turbo

Note: I would probably put the iPhone 6 Plus at spot number 12, and the iPhone 6 a few spots behind that (around 14 or 15).

You don't know them to be better, you just like ALL 2014 Android flagships in place of an iPhone. And are pontificating your bias accordingly.

For example, the Nexus 6 is not better than a 6+. Heck its not even better than the Nexus 5. It has an inferior battery life, screen, camera and even SOC performance (in some aspects). Also suffers display burn-in. Ditto for Moto X.

Note Edge has a feature that only Samsung themselves care about/have taken advantage of...thus making it useless outside of novelty use.

OnePlus One, i don't even need to say much. Just do some google or even look at the Oneplus thread in this sub-forum. Sure its well priced but you get what you pay for and very little help.

Just say you prefer Android smartphones to iOS instead of passing your own opinion off as gospel.

No objective person in tech or the world at large would dismiss the iPhone as one of the top smartphones on the market. And then justify themselves by saying consumers are essentially stupid and thats the reason why they're so popular.

#Weak.

 

[mercuryjones]

Your feeling is false. (See how it works?). Anyway, could you provide any sufficient proof? I use both platforms on daily basis and use the same or equivalent apps. I am really looking forward to your concrete evidence.



You kidding, right?

According to the OP, I don't really need concrete evidence, since this is my objective opinion on the matter. Don't like it? Tough.

 

[pdqgp]

the big majority of the population the iPhone is by far better than all of them (as the vast majority of costumers and reviewers agree, at similar prices)

since when does popularity make something the best? In many cases it's often the opposite. I'd insert a US Political comment but the mods would frown I'm sure

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And then justify themselves by saying consumers are essentially stupid and thats the reason why they're so popular.

actually most consumers are stupid. the most popular and well sold products aren't often the best, just the most popular.

 

[mercuryjones]

since when does popularity make something the best? In many cases it's often the opposite. I'd insert a US Political comment but the mods would frown I'm sure

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actually most consumers are stupid. the most popular and well sold products aren't often the best, just the most popular.

So, this must mean that Android is simply not even close to the best OS, with it holding 80+% of the market. Right?

 

[Ulenspiegel]

According to the OP, I don't really need concrete evidence, since this is my objective opinion on the matter. Don't like it? Tough.

Your objective opinion = generally subjective opinion.
Don't like it? Logic is tough.

 

[mercuryjones]

Your objective opinion = generally subjective opinion.
Don't like it? Logic is tough.

Yup, it sure is. And, there's no logic in the initial list, so I didn't feel like actually having to defend my choice either. I like the iPhone 6/6 Plus, therefore, it's the best phone out there.

 

[pdqgp]

since when does popularity make something the best? In many cases it's often the opposite. I'd insert a US Political comment but the mods would frown I'm sure

actually most consumers are stupid. the most popular and well sold products aren't often the best, just the most popular.

So, this must mean that Android is simply not even close to the best OS, with it holding 80+% of the market. Right?

it means exactly what I stated. You're welcome to make the call on the OS including your Android comment above along with Phones as will I. The masses rarely make the best call and iPhone like the Toyota Camry are classic examples of well executed products that perform well but are hardly the best, yet sell in masses. I also stand by my political comment above too.

To me personally, the iPhone is a great product; but IMO it's not the best. It's slick but reliability to me has been no better or worse than others. I think it sells well because people associate it with the transformation into the "smart phone age" and is generally a well like product / brand. Especially after the likes of the iPod. Being an American based company in the age of technology it also becomes an American Icon helping drive popularity. What American doesn't enjoy supporting our own?

In terms of the OS and ecosystem, to me iOS isn't great. Again, it works well and it's solid (less so recently though - just like Toyota) but it's always lagged behind in terms of capabilities and the quality in how things are done. I think it's the weaker of the two components, the iPhone hardware being stronger.

Does that mean Android is the best or perfect to me....no. It just means the devices such as the Note 3 are better for me and the OS is far more to my liking in terms of what they do capability wise and how they do it. I personally outgrew the iPhone and iOS.

In the end, I'll leave how defining the best and acceptance of less to each of us as individuals. Not everyone lives the same or holds the same values.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I'm more than happy with my sub standard, inferior iPhone, sorry couldn't resist lol. Best is in the eyes of the beholder. The OS is usually the defining factor as it's the interface that powers the phone. If the interface is not in favour, no amount of features and phone spec are going to equalise that IMO. Just pick the phone you like and be safe in the knowledge it's the best out there, I did

 

[0x100]

In a nutshell, this list is comprised of phones I objectively think are in the top ten. Reasons range from device capabilities/software, to battery life and other specs. Long story short, they'd be phones one can argue is better than a phone not on this list. There were other phones I felt could have possibly made the list, or come close to it.

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A 3 year old phone running an obscure OS isn't even in the conversation.

I think it is. It has an Apple level of design, it has a good amoled display, it has NFC, it has a nice formfactor, it has root access out of the box, it has a glance screen, it has real multitasking, it runs linux and is made in Finland (<-- I just love this so much, supporting non-china manufacturing).

MeeGo isn't even that obscure for people who know something about the phone os market, for example Samsung has Tizen which is partially derived from MeeGo and Jolla has Sailfish OS.

 

[swarley]

I'm assuming you overlooked the part that said "in no particular order".....but in case you did overlook it, that list is in no particular order.


So what phone would you remove to put it there though?

Ah yes I did overlook that. I would still take off the Note Edge as the Note 4 is the go to phone for 99% of people looking for a Note. For me at least, the Note Edge is more of a novelty rather than something that solves an actual problem. In other words I wouldn't give it its own spot but would maybe include it with the regular Note 4. Other than that I can make a case for pretty much everything else.

 

[nickchallis92]

I really don't know how anyone can look past the Note 4 as the #1 device

 

[bubulol]

May i give my 10 chart?

1 Z3 Compact (battery life, specs, compactness, waterproof, design)
2 Note 4 (battery life, display quality, specs)
3 Xiaomi Mi4 (design, worth money, specs, MUI)
4 One Plus One (specs, worth money)
5 LG G3 (specs, display quality, specs)
6 Z3 (design, specs,waterproof, battery life)
7 HTC M8 (design, specs, sound quality, Sense interface)
8 iPhone 6 plus (battery life for an iPhone , photo/camera quality, photo stabilizer, iOS, design even if i dislike it)
9 Moto X (average on every aspect but dunno i very like the form factor)
10 iPhone 6 (all i wrote about 6+ minus battery life)

 

[bkends35]

May i give my 10 chart?

1 Z3 Compact (battery life, specs, compactness, waterproof, design)
2 Note 4 (battery life, display quality, specs)
3 Xiaomi Mi4 (design, worth money, specs, MUI)
4 One Plus One (specs, worth money)
5 LG G3 (specs, display quality, specs)
6 Z3 (design, specs,waterproof, battery life)
7 HTC M8 (design, specs, sound quality, Sense interface)
8 iPhone 6 plus (battery life for an iPhone , photo/camera quality, photo stabilizer, iOS, design even if i dislike it)
9 Moto X (average on every aspect but dunno i very like the form factor)
10 iPhone 6 (all i wrote about 6+ minus battery life)

I'm sorry but why would you even worry about specs in today's smartphone market in order to classify something a good phone? Every phone has plenty of power. It's all about optimization and real world performance in today's market. I also don't understand how you put the One+ One in your top ten. Cyanogenmod is well known for having a ton of bugs, and the display quality is horrendous, terrible customer service and the sandstone model scuffs like no other. The G3's display has pretty poor off axis viewing angles and the phone is pretty sluggish for what it is. The Note 4 has crappy touchwiz and for 90% of people is a turn off but a sacrifice.

 

[mi7chy]

With only 1GB DRAM iPhone 6 and 6+ are more comparable to low end Android devices but with a less capable iOS that's quite buggy with version 8.

As for app disparity iOS might get more toy apps first but Android get more useful apps first such as EveryCircuit, Torque Pro, MX Player, Tasker, Sixaxis controller, Groove IP, etc.