False. You really can't help yourself can you. You're starting to sound like a broken record.
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Compared to the rest of the market, the iPhone isn't a top 10 smartphone.
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False. You really can't help yourself can you. You're starting to sound like a broken record.
I am not particulary looking into specs
I just have mentioned it.
When you are willing to buy those overpriced smartphone (not only iPhone, Android high premium are also pricey), you expect the best including specs
One+One worth money, can you find similar phone for less than 300$?
I dont see chinese brands as threats.
They will push the entire market to lower price, it would be benefit for customers
I put Note 4 in my list and from my opinion its the best phablet.
Wide audience doesnt care about Touchwizz, Android, iOS, whatever...
The problem is, by dropping the cost so low on the hardware, that simply means they have to cut back elsewhere.
I'll pay the extra money, if it means that the support is still top notch, which you get with Apple. Now, if you plan on fixing every little issue yourself, go for it.
iOS doesn't get 'toy' apps first nor does Android 'useful' apps. Its what people on alternative platforms used say to make themselves feel better when those platforms were still building steam. And what iOS users used to troll them. Today chances are an app launches on both at the same time or within a small window.
iPhones with their 1GB of DRAM whilst more aggressive with memory management, still perform comparably or exceed the average quad core Snapdragon 80x/Adreno with 3GB of RAM. I know its hard for people to grasp this since more is always viewed as better. But to say they are comparable to low-end android is incredibly myopic and inept. If they were so low-performing why is Qualcomm desperate to get its own 64-bit chip based on ARM architecture on the market. Partly because they've been losing the single-core performance fight to Apple for some time now.
iOS 8 is buggy but so is Lollipop. You know why? because both OSes just came out recently. And which is more or less capable will vary according to the user and his/her needs.
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Xiaomi Mi4 has same quality as your iPhone or Galaxy, whatever high premium phone
Dropping cost does not necessary dropping quality overall.
You ll pay twice with Apple
Dont make me wrong, i think iPhone are very good products (its my top ten) but price is insane (same for Note 4, my price limit does not go above 499$)
Xiaomi Mi4 has same quality as your iPhone or Galaxy, whatever high premium phone
Dropping cost does not necessary dropping quality overall.
You ll pay twice with Apple
Dont make me wrong, i think iPhone are very good products (its my top ten) but price is insane (same for Note 4, my price limit does not go above 499$)
The main issue being, Xiaomi phones are in limited markets (not worldwide). So, I can purchase one, but if I need support, guess where the phone needs to be shipped to? And just go look at the support guidelines. Not very user friendly, to say the least.
If I happen to have an issue with an iPhone - I take it back to the closest Apple store and get it replaced there or have it shipped out for repair. So far, I've never waited more than 2 days for the repaired device.
So yeah - cheaper cost on the front end, more expensive on the back end. If I could count on the Xiaomi device lasting, or I was inclined to fix the problem myself, then I might go for the cheaper upfront cost. But I'm not doing either of those.
Considering both Apple and Xiaomi are made in China quality is comparable although there seems to be more complaints with iPhone 6 and 6+ regarding bending, cheap TLC nand, screen scratch, etc. Difference with iPhones is you're paying double for warranty replacement that you may or may not redeem versus getting two Xiaomi for the same price. Think of it as getting your 2nd Xiaomi unit in advance and you get to keep 1st unit even if there's nothing wrong. Boils down to how you want to play the warranty game to benefit you or get played by it to benefit the manufacturer.
Somehow you can divine the above how? Through internet searches? Riiight.
The rest is a rationalization.
since when does popularity make something the best? In many cases it's often the opposite. I'd insert a US Political comment but the mods would frown I'm sure
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actually most consumers are stupid. the most popular and well sold products aren't often the best, just the most popular.
Which then begs the question of what being "the best" entails.
Take Justin Beiber or Taylor Swift or one of those "dime a dozen" K-pop girl groups for example. Their popularity is undeniable. You can argue about how they can't sing compared to whichever standard you want to hold them up to (I dunno - who's considered a good singer these days?).
My answer then is - so? You are assuming that people choose to follow an artiste based solely on singing prowess alone, when in fact, it's really the whole package deal, including other factors like accessibility, age group, sex appeal etc. Different fans have different criteria as to what makes an artiste entertaining, and that's really what matters. Whether that performer is entertaining to me or not.
Same for smartphones, or any other device. I don't know what metric you are using to determine what the best smartphone in the world is, but I can tell you that it is not as significant as you are making it out to be. Simply put, different people look for different things in a product. Some selling points are more relevant than others. Not every spec which can be quantified matters, just as not every factor which matters can be quantified on a spec sheet.
I like to believe that most (if not all) consumers are rational. The problem here is that you are artificially limiting the definition of "rationality" solely to factors which can be readily quantified. We need to move beyond these parameters if any such discussion is to be a meaningful one, IMO.
You'll notice in my replies that I've left the definition of the best to individuals. I however would say that here on the board while that is largely true, many look to the best bang for the buck in terms of capability from a device and it's paired OS. I agree that many use the rationality that isn't easily quantifiable when selecting a phone. However, I also say that not all consumers are really rational. Many due just buy based on emotion or to follow the pack.
Nexus 5 is a much better phone overall IMO. The One+ One has pretty bad quality control issues like I said. Plus the whole invite system is a joke. I don't mind paying $300 for a phone on a two year contract if it means I'm getting a better handset. $300 is minuscule compared to what the contract costs.
So tell me again how that is necessarily a ding against Apple, when it has the minority market share of smartphones in the world?
I would argue that this "rationality isn't always quantifiable" as being applicable to any decision we make, not just buying a smartphone. What makes you decide to go for a certain meal over another during lunch? Why do you prefer to wear a certain type of clothing or favour a particular colour over another? I don't think you can really quantify any of these decisions either.
Again, I seek issue with your definition because "best bang for the buck" still requires you to define which features you deem do in fact provide that "bang for the buck" and why other features are somehow exempt or not weighted as equally. And that will again differ from consumer to consumer.
For example, I am practically all-in with the Apple ecosystem. In this context, every additional Apple product I purchase will offer me "more bang for the back" compared to the next best alternative, be it integration of Apple services (iMessage, icloud sync, shared photostream) to airplay from my Apple TV to interoperability of iTunes content. You couldn't pay me to switch from an iPhone to some other phone, not least because it would break iMessage integration across all my Apple devices.
So tell me again how that is necessarily a ding against Apple, when it has the minority market share of smartphones in the world?
who said I was out to Ding Apple?
and you seemed to have missed where I posted the same.
^^ that's cool. That's your decision. I use Windows, Android and iOS and have just as much if not more bang for the buck because I'm NOT tied to the integration and have far more choices in what I use vs just relying on what Apple provides me.
That is an interesting statement and I am guessing you don't work in the manufacturing sector? So what you are saying is companies who locate factories in China have absolutely no say or input into the quality control measures taken during production? I can assure you I do not let sub standard products leave our Chinese factories and they follow strict QC regulations to conform to EU and Worldwide standards.
Some of the issues Apple have experienced with the latest iPhone's have have nothing to do with QC. It has everything to do with the design process and this can be corrected in some way during manufacturing, but I think Apple are one of the strictest companies in the World for QC.
I have never dealt with Xiaomi as I don't own any of their products. Are you able to walk into any Xiaomi shop in Western Europe, or the rest of the world and ask for a replacement under warranty? I have never seen them even advertised where I am from.
One thing Apple can not be criticised for and that is their customer service and especially with replacements.
bang for buck is just another nebulous term with no context. I can argue one device, less clutter, less expense, more efficient, yada, yada, yada...
As I said before I can see this discussion taking place in a bar using these talking points...NOT.
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He never said he did, but his point about QC is well taken. Apple has the clout and resources to make sure manufacturing processes conform to their standards, even though nobody knows what they are.
As far as getting emotionally attached, I agree not a lot of detachment in this thread, not necessarily from Idevice owners.
All manufacturers can have products made to their specifications.
The bolded above???? You should read what you post before posting it......it makes no sense.
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if that's your argument then your idea of bang is pretty lame. I'll take a device that allows me to do more things configured my way.
Can you tell me what Apple manufacturing tolerances are? thats the point. Nobody knows what goes on in those factories, except it's not a loosey-goosey operation.
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No more lame than your idea of a bang for the buck. I agree I'll take a device that allows me to do what I need. I call that efficient.
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Manufacturing in China even with the strictest QC has not been and is NOT the same as manufacturing in the countries of origin.
There are billions of examples.
There are billions of examples.
Wow this thread went down pretty quickly. The poster made a list of the phones he likes best it was kinda nice for a page then OMG apple isn't on the list how silly can you be look at XYZ, all those people bought XYZ that makes it great etc. Your favorite doesn't have to be on a persons top ten list, that doesn't make anyone wrong it makes them different. In my opinion all the phones that have been rattled off here are not on my top ten list because they're all to big full stop. Tech journalists can love them, the population can love them, they can be super special fast and have RAM for days and it simply doesn't matter I don't want a phone that big.
No. The reason it went bad is because the OP had no real way of telling others why these phones were "better", other than he just thinks that they are. And then he tried to portray it as a fact that they were better.
But whatever. It's his list. Hopefully his friend realizes how biased he is and ended up purchasing whichever HE liked and not what the OP told him was "best"
It's almost as if the OP was trolling.
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