Confused about "Rest Finger to Open"

[Tabbit2002]

The reason is you are using a faster touchid iphone. You cant expect a feature always works in a way u wish.

It works in that way for a few generation...

I see that some people don't understand what's going on.

I DON'T have an iPhone 6. My Touch ID is so fast that by the time I click the home button (with the screen off) and lift my finger as quickly as possible, it still takes me home.

What SHOULD happen is this: Click the home button while screen is off. Touch ID unlocks the iPhone. I then interact with the notifications, then I press the home button to actually go to my home screen.

THEN, if I wanted the iPhone 5s/6 way of doing things, I could use the option "Rest Finger to Open" which would then let me press the home button once, rest my finger there, and the iPhone will go to the home screen automatically.

However, with Rest Finger to Open ON or OFF, I get the same exact results, which defeats the purpose of having that option.

 

[Mlrollin91]

Just because it's been that way for 4 generations, doesn't mean it has to stay that way.

Touch ID is simply TOO fast on the new devices and I THOUGHT that was part of the reason for the lock screen redesign.

It seems inconsistent to me.

For example:
NO touch ID = Press home button to wake the screen, press home button again to go home
Touch ID = Press home button to wake screen, keep finger on home button and it takes you home
Touch ID + Rest Finger to Open = Press home button to wake screen, keep finger on home button and it takes you home.

Why are the last 2 exactly the same function? One would think that if you do NOT want your phone to go home automatically by simply holding your finger over the button, then one would turn OFF "Rest Finger to Open" and EXPECT the same behavior as NO touch ID.

THAT'S my point. It doesn't make sense why it lets you rest your finger to open when you do NOT have that option turned on.

How many times do I have to say it. "Rest Finger" is for Raise to Wake and Lock Button!! Again, NOTHING to do with pressing the home button. Stop associating "Rest Finger" with clicking the home button. Its not related. If you want to continue to hit the home button only, and want to view notifications on lock screen, turn Raise to Wake on. Problem solved.

C DM has already explained why no Touch ID requires 2 clicks. This is a fail-safe to prevent accidentally pressing the button once and entering the phone.

 

[C DM]

No it seems YOU don't understand. Just because it 'should' doesn't mean it will. It is working as it has been for the last 4 generations of iOS. The only difference is that TouchID is faster with the 6s and 7. Therefore, if you click with the home button you will be taken to the home screen, no matter what, because it authenticates immediately. I learned to use the lock button last year with the 6s to prevent this, that same behavior has carried over to my iPhone 7Plus now.

Again, the "Rest Finger to Open" Applies ONLY to using Raise to Wake and waking the screen with the lock button. Has nothing to do with home button. I don't know how many times this has to be explained. "Rest Finger" has nothing to do with awakening the iPhone itself, but a faster way to get to your home screen if you awoken it via raise to wake or lock button.

Or if a notification came in and the screen turned on--basically it seems like it applies to all cases other than the one that involves the home button being used to wake the screen.

 

[Tabbit2002]

Alright then thats a suggestion btw.

If the phone works in that way, ie rest your finger to wake the phone...thats drain much battery...like the jb tweek virtual home

Just because it's been that way for 4 generations, doesn't mean it has to stay that way.

Touch ID is simply TOO fast on the new devices and I THOUGHT that was part of the reason for the lock screen redesign.

It seems inconsistent to me.

For example:
NO touch ID = Press home button to wake the screen, press home button again to go home
Touch ID = Press home button to wake screen, keep finger on home button and it takes you home
Touch ID + Rest Finger to Open = Press home button to wake screen, keep finger on home button and it takes you home.

Why are the last 2 exactly the same function? One would think that if you do NOT want your phone to go home automatically by simply holding your finger over the button, then one would turn OFF "Rest Finger to Open" and EXPECT the same behavior as NO touch ID.

THAT'S my point. It doesn't make sense why it lets you rest your finger to open when you do NOT have that option turned on.

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Alright then thats a suggestion btw.

If the phone works in that way, ie rest your finger to wake the phone...thats drain much battery...like the jb tweek virtual home

And then someone will complain about the poor battery life... it loops!

 

[Mlrollin91]

Or if a notification came in and the screen turned on--basically it seems like it applies to all cases other than the one that involves the home button being used to wake the screen.

Exactly. 'Rest Finger' revolves around the screen being on without hitting the home button. The OP just isn't understanding that.

 

[Jayson A]

The reason is you are using a faster touchid iphone. You cant expect a feature always works in a way u wish.

It works in that way for a few generation...

In previous generations there wasn't an option to turn off "Rest Finger to Open", now their is, but it doesn't work.

How does that make sense to you guys?

I realize it doesn't work the way I expected, you made that perfectly clear. That doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid to have an option that makes no difference when it's on or off.

 

[Mlrollin91]

In previous generations there wasn't an option to turn off "Rest Finger to Open", now their is, but it doesn't work.

How does that make sense to you guys?

I realize it doesn't work the way I expected, you made that perfectly clear. That doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid to have an option that makes no difference when it's on or off.

Please stop talking about "Rest Finger", it was never designed to work the way you think its suppose to work. It is strictly designed for the screen already been awoken and then you needing to enter your phone.

 

[Jayson A]

Exactly. 'Rest Finger' revolves around the screen being on without hitting the home button. The OP just isn't understanding that.

I want to wake the screen (i.e. Turn the screen on) using the home button.

Why does it matter HOW the screen is turned on? I should be able to turn the screen on with lock button, home button, or raise to wake. It's my choice. However, Rest Finger to Open shouldn't be active if I don't want it to be, but there's no way to stop the iPhone from going home when my finger is resting on the home button.
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The option works, just applies to cases other than the one you are specifically interested in. I sort of agree that it would make sense for it to also apply to the case you are interested in--waking the screen using the home button--and it's a bit odd that it wasn't made to apply to that scenario (especially when it seems like quite a few people through that it is or would be the case too given the change in the unlock method in iOS 10). But it seems like that's not the case, at least not so far, for whatever reason that might be.
Apparently, for whatever reason, that particular flow wasn't changed or affected by the unlock method changes introduced in iOS 10.

Thank you.

Why does everyone assume this is the intended behavior and not a bug?

 

[C DM]

In previous generations there wasn't an option to turn off "Rest Finger to Open", now their is, but it doesn't work.

How does that make sense to you guys?

I realize it doesn't work the way I expected, you made that perfectly clear. That doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid to have an option that makes no difference when it's on or off.

The option works, just applies to cases other than the one you are specifically interested in. I sort of agree that it would make sense for it to also apply to the case you are interested in--waking the screen using the home button--and it's a bit odd that it wasn't made to apply to that scenario (especially when it seems like quite a few people through that it is or would be the case too given the change in the unlock method in iOS 10). But it seems like that's not the case, at least not so far, for whatever reason that might be.

I want to wake the screen (i.e. Turn the screen on) using the home button.

Why does it matter HOW the screen is turned on? I should be able to turn the screen on with lock button, home button, or raise to wake. It's my choice. However, Rest Finger to Open shouldn't be active if I don't want it to be, but there's no way to stop the iPhone from going home when my finger is resting on the home button.

Apparently, for whatever reason, that particular flow wasn't changed or affected by the unlock method changes introduced in iOS 10.

Thank you.

Why does everyone assume this is the intended behavior and not a bug?

It could be a bug, or an oversight (as there are certainly a number of those type of oddities in iOS 10), but it could also be intended behavior given that we seemingly don't quite know the full intention behind it and have mostly been guessing and theorizing.

 

[Mlrollin91]

I want to wake the screen (i.e. Turn the screen on) using the home button.

Why does it matter HOW the screen is turned on? I should be able to turn the screen on with lock button, home button, or raise to wake. It's my choice. However, Rest Finger to Open shouldn't be active if I don't want it to be, but there's no way to stop the iPhone from going home when my finger is resting on the home button.

Then disable TouchID. Again, everyone that had a 6s last year went through this same exact thing. This is exactly why Apple added Raise to Wake. To view notifications without accidentally entering the phone. Again, for the 10th time, Raise to wake is designed so you don't have to hit the lock button and then the home button. Or as I mentioned earlier, lift an iPad smart cover then click the home button. Rest Finger is removing a step for those that have already activated the screen. If you turn off Rest Finger, then wake the screen via lock button and then rest finger, I guarantee you it will not take you to your home screen. Proving thats how it was designed.

 

[Tabbit2002]

If u are using 6s use your nail to click home button to avoid going home.

If it is a 7, rest finger works well with raise to wake. There is no way to ignore either one of these and say this is a bug

I want to wake the screen (i.e. Turn the screen on) using the home button.

Why does it matter HOW the screen is turned on? I should be able to turn the screen on with lock button, home button, or raise to wake. It's my choice. However, Rest Finger to Open shouldn't be active if I don't want it to be, but there's no way to stop the iPhone from going home when my finger is resting on the home button.
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Thank you.

Why does everyone assume this is the intended behavior and not a bug?

 

[C DM]

Then disable TouchID. Again, everyone that had a 6s last year went through this same exact thing. This is exactly why Apple added Raise to Wake. To view notifications without accidentally entering the phone. Again, for the 10th time, Raise to wake is designed so you don't have to hit the lock button and then the home button. Or as I mentioned earlier, lift an iPad smart cover then click the home button. Rest Finger is removing a step for those that have already activated the screen. If you turn off Rest Finger, then wake the screen via lock button and then rest finger, I guarantee you it will not take you to your home screen. Proving thats how it was designed.

I think part of the confusion here might stem from various discussions about this in the past with the idea of it all working the way OP expects or wants it to work, and that part of the reason behind the new unlock method in iOS 10 was in fact to assist those with the newer faster TouchID not to skip the lock screen when they simply pressed the home button. In a sense with the change in the unlock method and the addition of the accessibility setting it doesn't seem like much of a stretch to reasonably assume (and perhaps even expect) that it would also apply to the scenario when the screen is woken up using the home button. And it would be fairly rational for that to actually be the case. For some reason it's not though. A bit hard to say why exactly.

 

[Mlrollin91]

I think part of the confusion here might stem from various discussions about this in the past with the idea of it all working the way OP expects or wants it to work, and that part of the reason behind the new unlock method in iOS 10 was in fact to assist those with the newer faster TouchID not to skip the lock screen when they simply pressed the home button. In a sense with the change in the unlock method and the addition of the accessibility setting it doesn't seem like much of a stretch to reasonably assume (and perhaps even expect) that it would also apply to the scenario when the screen is woken up using the home button. And it would be fairly rational for that to actually be the case. For some reason it's not though. A bit hard to say why exactly.

See, I slightly disagree. Raise to wake is available on the 6s and 7. The 6s and 7 both have TouchID2. Raise to Wake is the solution to the fast unlocking.

 

[C DM]

See, I slightly disagree. Raise to wake is available on the 6s and 7. The 6s and 7 both have TouchID2. Raise to Wake is the solution to the fast unlocking.

It's a feature, sure, but if one doesn't want to use it (and there are reasons one might not want to, or if for no particular reason) it still seems that with the new unlock method in play and the accessibility option now being available that the same logic that applies to waking up the screen using any other method could also apply to the one method that seems to be exclude--and that has been somewhat "troublesome" for some with newer TouchID--using the home button.

 

[Tabbit2002]

See, I slightly disagree. Raise to wake is available on the 6s and 7. The 6s and 7 both have TouchID2. Raise to Wake is the solution to the fast unlocking.

Thats the point!

Raise to wake and rest finget to unlock is a pair

 

[Jayson A]

I went from the 6 to the 7. I wanted to use Touch ID, but I guess I'll go back to no passcode again.
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Thats the point!

Raise to wake and rest finget to unlock is a pair

So if I turn off raise to wake then my iPhone will work as I expect?

Press home button once to wake the screen, then again to go home?

 

[chabig]

Touch ID is so fast that by the time I click the home button (with the screen off) and lift my finger as quickly as possible, it still takes me home.

That's why its called the "Home" button. Pressing it takes you home. The button on the side is called the "Sleep/Wake" button. They have always had these names.
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THAT'S my point. It doesn't make sense why it lets you rest your finger to open when you do NOT have that option turned on.

But the real point is that you didn't just rest your finger on the home button. You pressed it.

 

[Tabbit2002]

That's why its called the "Home" button. Pressing it takes you home. The button on the side is called the "Sleep/Wake" button. They have always had these names.

Absolutely great. People are misunderstanding the name
[doublepost=1475544625][/doublepost]It means both will work perfectly if they are enabled.

If u disable anyone one of them, you will know

I went from the 6 to the 7. I wanted to use Touch ID, but I guess I'll go back to no passcode again.
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So if I turn off raise to wake then my iPhone will work as I expect?

Press home button once to wake the screen, then again to go home?

 

[Jayson A]

That's why its called the "Home" button. Pressing it takes you home. The button on the side is called the "Sleep/Wake" button. They have always had these names.

But the real point is that you didn't just rest your finger on the home button. You pressed it.

Okay then.

So by what you're saying.... even if I disable Touch ID, I should be able to just click the home button and I'll be brought to home immediately right?

After all, it's the home button. You press it to go home. You're supposed to use the side button to wake the device.

 

[Tabbit2002]

I actually use side button to wake

Okay then.

So by what you're saying.... even if I disable Touch ID, I should be able to just click the home button and I'll be brought to home immediately right?

After all, it's the home button. You press it to go home. You're supposed to use the side button to wake the device.

 

[Mlrollin91]

I actually use side button to wake

Same here. Since the 6s if I only want to view notifications, side button. If I immediately want to access phone, home button. But I have rest finger turned on so if I wake the device with lock button I can easily access home button.

 

[Tabbit2002]

Same here. Since the 6s if I only want to view notifications, side button. If I immediately want to access phone, home button. But I have rest finger turned on so if I wake the device with lock button I can easily access home button.

Actually the same behaviour

I understand it could be comfortable for some poeple to click on home button to wake...but i am afraid on clicking the home button as it might be vulnerable...until now i am stilling using virtual home to replace the home button

Anyway, during the first iphone keynote, steve jobs show us how to use iphone properly, press sleep/wake button to wake

 

[Jayson A]

Actually the same behaviour

I understand it could be comfortable for some poeple to click on home button to wake...but i am afraid on clicking the home button as it might be vulnerable...until now i am stilling using virtual home to replace the home button

Anyway, during the first iphone keynote, steve jobs show us how to use iphone properly, press sleep/wake button to wake

I'm more comfortable with pressing the home button to wake the iPhone.

I didn't have a whole year to condition myself to using the sleep button on the side because Touch ID was too fast. I had lame old slow Touch ID.

 

[Tabbit2002]

Alright. It comes with a conclusion

Just a different behaviour.
I guess Apple doesn't mean to use home to wake based on what we hv seen so far

I'm more comfortable with pressing the home button to wake the iPhone.

I didn't have a whole year to condition myself to using the sleep button on the side because Touch ID was too fast. I had lame old slow Touch ID.

 

[Jayson A]

Alright. It comes with a conclusion

Just a different behaviour.
I guess Apple doesn't mean to use home to wake based on what we hv seen so far

Since the screen does wake up when I press home, I guess it must be a bug then.