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C DM

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And if you don't like Raise to Wake, then you're screwed. Nice.

I guess the discussion is over. There's nothing I can do about it, but it does seem wrong to me to have it automatically go home when pressing the home button with the screen off.
You aren't screwed, or just seems that nothing really was changed for that scenario (even though it could have easily been).
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Curious, but if you press the home button with a finger that ISN'T programmed for fingerprint scanner, it would wake the screen, but NOT take you to the home screen\unlock the device, no?
Sure, just like before.
 

Irock619

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And if you don't like Raise to Wake, then you're screwed. Nice.

I guess the discussion is over. There's nothing I can do about it, but it does seem wrong to me to have it automatically go home when pressing the home button with the screen off.

To see and interact with notifications use the sleep/wake button to wake the phone and stay on the lock screen, simple. Or if you have a 6s like me just use a finger that is not registered or use your nail to wake the phone with home button. I have "raise to wake" off and "rest to unlock" enabled. You will be able to see your notifications, but to interact with them you have to unlock the phone.

Since the I7 home button does not "click", you have to use "raise to wake" or use the sleep/wake button to see your notifications. With everything OFF, one press of the home button should wake the phone, and then press again to unlock and go home.

I had a chance to play with a couple I7's at the Apple Store and everything worked like my 6s+ does. The only difference is how you use the home button.
 
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ionadi

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Apple missed adding an extra click. They'll patch it eventually. It should work as the OP described, it's a pretty flawed design as it is.
 

Mlrollin91

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Apple missed adding an extra click. They'll patch it eventually. It should work as the OP described, it's a pretty flawed design as it is.

There is literally no evidence it should work as the OP is describing. But there is plenty of evidence to back up my theory of raise to wake and lock button being associated with rest finger.
 
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ionadi

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you have an option that only covers some cases, it's confusing and inconsistent, so yeah
 

BigMcGuire

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Using Touch ID with raise to wake enabled, the screen is turned on when you raise the phone to your face. To unlock the phone you can either A - click the home button or B - Enable "Rest Finger To Open". I use method B to unlock as I'm programmed to rest my finger to unlock from iOS 9.

There are no bugs. Everything works the way it's supposed to, even if it's not to your liking. As others have said, if you want to check your lock screen, use the power button or a non Touch ID finger to wake your phone. On the 6s or 7, you simply raise to wake to view notifications. No buttons required.

Wow I did not think this thread would continue from yesterday, lol. The above (first paragraph) is how I have my phone set up and I'm pretty happy with it.
 
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Mlrollin91

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you have an option that only covers some cases, it's confusing and inconsistent, so yeah

What are you talking about. The Rest Finger only applies to the raise to wake/lock button and smart covers on iPads. Has nothing to do with the home button. Please read the full thread, this has been said over 10 times now.
 

Feenician

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So many tears shed over such a simple feature and even the people who think they're getting it right are managing to get it wrong.

Maybe Apple need to put the training wheels back on after all.
 

C DM

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What are you talking about. The Rest Finger only applies to the raise to wake/lock button and smart covers on iPads. Has nothing to do with the home button. Please read the full thread, this has been said over 10 times now.
It actually applies to more than that even, even on phones that don't support raise to wake or have the newer generation TouchID. The usefulness of it is somewhat different/limited perhaps in those cases.
 

Mlrollin91

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It actually applies to more than that even, even on phones that don't support raise to wake or have the newer generation TouchID. The usefulness of it is somewhat different/limited perhaps in those cases.

Very true and you are 100% correct. But people seem to keep associating Rest Finger to the home button but it doesn't have anything to do with it in reality. Its just a way to get into the phone faster without having to click the home button if the screen is already on.

I know you know this, but a lot of people in this thread are not getting the underlined portion.
 
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ionadi

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Mar 1, 2013
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that explanation makes no sense to me, sorry.
You have 3 ways to wake your phone. That option only applies to 2 - power button and when you lift the phone. Why it wouldn't apply to the home button?
For the guys with the option turned off it will make no difference.
for the guys with the option turned on that like the current method it will make no difference.
for the guys like the op, it is a big deal
yeah, they've missed a click
 

C DM

macrumors Sandy Bridge
Oct 17, 2011
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So many tears shed over such a simple feature and even the people who think they're getting it right are managing to get it wrong.

Maybe Apple need to put the training wheels back on after all.
Very true and you are 100% correct. But people seem to keep associating Rest Finger to the home button but it doesn't have anything to do with it in reality. Its just a way to get into the phone faster without having to click the home button if the screen is already on.

I know you know this, but a lot of people in this thread are not getting the underlined portion.
I think part of it is that with the change in the unlock method and the addition of the accessibility option Apple could have made it apply to the home button press too so that there would be an option to have it be the way the OP was hoping it would be like. But, yes, with more variations now it seems like there can be some confusion as to why something might not apply to one thing when it applies to another related/similar thing.
 

Mlrollin91

macrumors G5
Nov 20, 2008
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that explanation makes no sense to me, sorry.
You have 3 ways to wake your phone. That option only applies to 2 - power button and when you lift the phone. Why it wouldn't apply to the home button?
For the guys with the option turned off it will make no difference.
for the guys with the option turned on that like the current method it will make no difference.
for the guys like the op, it is a big deal
yeah, they've missed a click

Its clearly outline in the keynote that in order to access lock screen without inadvertently unlocking your phone, you must use raise to wake (or like before, use the lock button). Its plain and simple as that.
 

Feenician

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I think part of it is that with the change in the unlock method and the addition of the accessibility option Apple could have made it apply to the home button press too so that there would be an option to have it be the way the OP was hoping it would be like. But, yes, with more variations now it seems like there can be some confusion as to why something might not apply to one thing when it applies to another related/similar thing.

I really think turning on the accessibility (and it is an accessibility feature for those that have trouble pressing a button) is bad advice and not a good thing to do. It renders it impossible to unlock the device at the lock screen because then merely resting takes people home. I'm surprised we haven't seen more of it already but I can totally see those who enable rest to unloc coming back crying when their apps add secure functionality and they can't access it because every time they touch touchid they unlock to home.
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related to waking your phone? we're not talking about appstore or whatnot

If you wake it with the home button (quickly or with an unregistered finger) it still applies. If you use raise to wake, it still applies.
 

ionadi

macrumors newbie
Mar 1, 2013
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sure there are workarounds, it's not a big deal for me tbh, but i'm genuinely curious why Apple didn't add a delay or smth in that specific case.
With a single click on the home button it registers 2 clicks and reads your fingerprint at the same time. That's fast! :)
 
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Tabbit2002

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Curious, but if you press the home button with a finger that ISN'T programmed for fingerprint scanner, it would wake the screen, but NOT take you to the home screen\unlock the device, no?
He just likes to drill on something thats are impossible. He was like: I am not taking this as i dont think i need to be compromised to a bug jajaja
 

ZipZap

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I have an iphone 7. I have enabled touchid.

When i have "rest finger" enabled i cannot click home fast enough to be left on the lock screen. It always goes home.

However, if i turn "rest finger" off i can click the home button and stay on the lock screen. A second click takes me home.

These are the two options. Raise to wake is not a factor.
 

jianrong

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I usually raise to wake iphone then rest finger on home button. It just unlock to home screen.
 

Jayson A

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I have an iphone 7. I have enabled touchid.

When i have "rest finger" enabled i cannot click home fast enough to be left on the lock screen. It always goes home.

However, if i turn "rest finger" off i can click the home button and stay on the lock screen. A second click takes me home.

These are the two options. Raise to wake is not a factor.

That's oddly not how it works on my iPhone 7 Plus. Both options take me directly home if I press the home button ONCE with the screen OFF.
 
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