Dave2D has NAILED the new iPadPro

[booksbooks]

Have you every used an Android tablet with a cursor? it operates in the exact same way as pegging icons with your finger, but you click with your cursor instead. I repeat: Absolutely nothing in the OS or Apps user flow changes. Just clicking instead of tapping.

I have been doing that with my Galaxy Tab S4, and it works wonders toward full laptop replacement!

The question becomes WHY would you do this. Look at the picture you posted with your byzantine, awkward, antiquated setup that is hamstrung by limited mobile software and applications, an oldschool mouse, a screen that is a stretch to reach with a ridiculous stand... And then look at this... which is what you're actually trying to achieve but in a very ugly way.

 

[tromboneaholic]

• Imagine I'm working on PhotoShop in my iPad Pro, editing a high-res, multi-layered 500 Mb picture in raw format and it's looking pimp! but then, I wanna transfer it to my PC for some final touches... how am I to transfer that file? Do I have to wait 15 minutes to upload that file to the cloud?!?!

AirDrop
Adobe Sync
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The question becomes WHY would you do this. Look at the picture you posted with your byzantine, awkward, antiquated setup that is hamstrung by limited mobile software and applications, an oldschool mouse, a screen that is a stretch to reach with a ridiculous stand... And then look at this... which is what you're actually trying to achieve but in a very ugly way.

Agreed. The picture the OP posted is the exact setup that would degrade the iPad user experience.

 

[Brammy]

Imagine I'm working on PhotoShop in my iPad Pro, editing a high-res, multi-layered 500 Mb picture in raw format and it's looking pimp! but then, I wanna transfer it to my PC for some final touches... how am I to transfer that file? Do I have to wait 15 minutes to upload that file to the cloud?!?!

Photoshop on iPad uses their new file format -- cloud PSD or something. It sounds like the sync is fast. From the Verge article:
Cloud PSD files live in the cloud and sync changes across devices so you can work on the same file on desktop and mobile devices that have Photoshop CC. “Cloud PSDs, when we ship Photoshop on the iPad, will also run and automatically show up on your desktop,” Belsky says. “Suddenly, you’ll have this cloud-powered roundtrip experience akin to a Google Docs experience, where literally the source of truth of your Photoshop creation is in the cloud.”

 

[IowaLynn]

I love my Note 9 stylus's ability to edit text, place the cursor without multiple tries or having to force and move the cursor as I do on my IPP, or use my finger on the iPhone X screen. The Apple pencil is okay but iOS apps resist easy editing, doubletap and select word, letter or sentence. I'd prefer my MacBook had touch (stylus) rather than trackpad.

 

[secretk]

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I am new to iOS but I was left with the impression that Airdrop works only for Apple devices. Is this true or I am wrong?

If that's the case then AirDrop is not a solution for me. I would not ask any of my co-workers to buy apple devices so that they can send me files. That's not just me adopting to the device, that's all of my co-workers adapting to the device. And this is the kind of an example I mean when I talk about restrictions.

Next question. Does Airdrop relies on Internet connection or not? I don't know other Apple devices so the moment I found that it's about Apple devices I never tried it out. This is why I am asking. If it's true than it's another restriction I do not need. A laptop works without Internet and with any device you could think about.

I do agree with the fact that different people use laptops differently. So for some iPad can be laptop replacement as it is, for others it cannot. I don't agree that much with the example because no one ever said that bicycle is a car replacement. Car, motorcycle, bicycle, bus are all for transportation. No one ever said that they replace each other. All say that they can transport you from one place to another. That's it.

In that sense then I think that the definition itself should be changed. Instead of saying that an iPad is a laptop replacement we could think about all of the things you do with your iPad that you used to do with your laptop. And we could say that iPad is another device to do those things.

Why this matters? Because honestly most of the stuff I do on my laptop I don't do on the iPad. If I do them it's the exception. And vice versa. The things I do with my iPad I never do on my laptop.

 

[jinnyman]

I really don't understand why some of you are so against optional mouse support. Even iOS version of Number and Pages are just gimmick because of lack of mouse support. When do you use Pages and Numbers on iPad and what can you do really? Yes you can use them to open the document and check it out, and even simple typing and input numbers are possible. You can even do basic documentation with them. But for more serious work to be done, you need a mouse and keyboard. Since iPad Pro already has a keyboard, it only has to add optional mouse support just like how Android does.

How are you going to manipulate copy and paste whole bunch of cells? How to edit the text and layout with your finger? Obviously Apple has realized that typing with touch screen is awkward and since added a keyboard cover. Why can't Apple add mouse? Android, with lack of app control over android apps, is able to keep touch interface apps and utilize mouse as only option anyway. Why Apple cannot? If Apple is adding productivity tools to iPad and marketing iPad as a computer replacement, why not just do it?

 

[thisismyusername]

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[Knowimagination]

I agree with this statement: a laptop replacement (in the shape of an iPad) does NOT have to be a laptop carbon copy. I am 100% with you there. The iPad Pro must remain faithful to what it is: a tablet first and foremost.

However, a laptop replacement must fulfill some minimum basics that iOS simply cannot provide at the moment. We have reviewed quite some of those basics over this thread: proper control/management over your files, USB connection with external storage (such as a USB pen drive) for backups and file transportation, etc.

I mean, how can you replace your laptop if you dont even have control over the files stored in your own device?!?!

Some real-world case scenarios for proper "Pro" users:

• Imagine I'm working on PhotoShop in my iPad Pro, editing a high-res, multi-layered 500 Mb picture in raw format and it's looking pimp! but then, I wanna transfer it to my PC for some final touches... how am I to transfer that file? Do I have to wait 15 minutes to upload that file to the cloud?!?!
  
  
• Imagine a colleague from work needs to pass me in a USB pen drive a zipped file with all the corporate documents I must review and sign over the weekend... how do I unzip those files? how do I plug in the pen drive?!?

Those are not made up or obscure scenarios. Those are as real world situations "pro" users face every day.

Nah... it does not have to be a laptop equal, but it certainly has to provide some basic must-haves.

I fully agree with you on file control and I am not trying to claim that iOS is perfect as is. I am just saying I don’t want to see it developed to become just another laptop os. I agree if they are going to make it a true replacement then I would hope that iOS13 will bring in support for external drive and true file support.

 

[richpjr]

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Adobe Sync
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Agreed. The picture the OP posted is the exact setup that would degrade the iPad user experience.

I don’t agree with this at all. I see optional external devices that can be used when sitting down at a desk when someone needs to do some serious editing and left behind while on the go. Neither interferes with the other.

 

[tromboneaholic]

I am new to iOS but I was left with the impression that Airdrop works only for Apple devices. Is this true or I am wrong?

If that's the case then AirDrop is not a solution for me. I would not ask any of my co-workers to buy apple devices so that they can send me files. That's not just me adopting to the device, that's all of my co-workers adapting to the device. And this is the kind of an example I mean when I talk about restrictions.

The question I was answering was how to get a Photoshop file from OP's iPad to their computer, not how to share it with multiple people in a mixed environment. However, don't worry. All of your needs have already been addressed. There is no difficulty sharing a file from an iPad with multiple users on different devices in a mixed environment.

Besides, if your coworkers are running Adobe, you can share your sync folder with to them on any device.
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I don’t agree with this at all. I see optional external devices that can be used when sitting down at a desk when someone needs to do some serious editing and left behind while on the go. Neither interferes with the other.

That sounds more like an argument for a lighter MacBook.

 

[rowspaxe]

I fully agree with you on file control and I am not trying to claim that iOS is perfect as is. I am just saying I don’t want to see it developed to become just another laptop os. I agree if they are going to make it a true replacement then I would hope that iOS13 will bring in support for external drive and true file support.

How would true file support and mouse support change current touch only workflows?

 

[Knowimagination]

How would true file support and mouse support change current touch only workflows?

File support wouldn’t, mouse support potentially would. That’s why I am for one and against the other.

 

[secretk]

The question I was answering was how to get a Photoshop file from OP's iPad to their computer, not how to share it with multiple people in a mixed environment. However, don't worry. All of your needs have already been addressed. There is no difficulty sharing a file from an iPad with multiple users on different devices in a mixed environment.

Besides, if your coworkers are running Adobe, you can share your sync folder with to them on any device.

Sorry I guess I was not clear enough. I was talking about sharing files in general. Not Photoshop files. I am Software Developer and I usually deal with Backend, not with photoshop files. I was asking in general what are the options of sharing files that do not include using Internet connection.

Like I said I am new to iOS so this is really a genuine question.

 

[richpjr]

That sounds more like an argument for a lighter MacBook.

I don’t want another MacBook, I would greatly prefer some small enhancements to my iPad so I don’t have to bring both it and my MBP with me. None of the simple changes that have been discussed at length should be required or would ruin the tablet experience for me.

 

[Nugget]

I really don't understand why some of you are so against optional mouse support.

I think the argument goes something like this: If Apple adds optional support for the mouse, then the App Store is going to become polluted with a non-zero number of applications that de facto require a mouse due to lazy developers making terrible ports of desktop apps without truly confronting the different usage style that a tablet brings. This will, over time, end up with a situation where you pretty much have to have a mouse lying around for your iPad for those apps where the developers avoided spending the time and resources embracing the touch/tablet interface.

The world of iPad ownership then becomes a frustrating exercise of monitoring app reviews and comments to learn if any particular app can be used successfully without a mouse. Sometimes you're going to download an app and then discover that it can't really be used effectively without that "optional" mouse.

Whether or not you think that this scenario is likely it's fair to say that the argument has merit. There are a lot of lazy developers out there, and a lot of iPad apps that started their life as desktop apps. Apple's historical ability to filter on "quality of user experience" when approving apps for the store is uneven at best. It's not a totally paranoid fear.

I'm reminded of the related situation where Apple orginally mandated that all Apple TV games had to work with just the Apple Remote, presumably stemming from similar concerns. It's definitely worth noting that Apple have since backed-away from this position because it proved to be terribly limiting to developers and ended up excluding many games from the platform entirely.

 

[Raist3001]

How would true file support and mouse support change current touch only workflows?

It would not. The jaibreak community has already proven this.

 

[charlituna]

Yes he nailed it. I really question myself why Apple did not improve on this although nearly everybody is complaining about that in mostly all reviews? It should be so easy for them to add the basic productivity features like pointing devices,

You mean like a mouse? Yeah it would be child’s play if they wanted to do it. But they have said time and again that they don’t want to. So until Apple is being run by someone not Tim Cook, Jonny Ive etc stop expecting them to ‘Surface’ the iPad

 

[tromboneaholic]

The world of iPad ownership then becomes a frustrating exercise of monitoring app reviews and comments to learn if any particular app can be used successfully without a mouse. Sometimes you're going to download an app and then discover that it can't really be used effectively without that "optional" mouse.

Precisely.

 

[charlituna]

Oh, gee, lookee... yet ANOTHER The iPad Isn’t a Real Computer™ until it has mouse support/a real file system/makes my coffee thread.

They aren’t going to go away so long as Apple ‘refuses’ to do ‘the right thing’ and turn the iPad into a standard notebook computer that just happens to have a touch screen. And since Apple has said that they have no desire to do that or to meld MacOS and iOS a la the Surface, settle in for the ad nauseum threads

 

[Nugget]

It would not. The jaibreak community has already proven this.

You have to admit that jailbreaking as a method of enabling mouse support doesn't put the same sort of pressure on the app and developer ecosystem and does not really "prove" anything with regard to what would happen to the world of iPad apps if a mouse became officially supported.

 

[Raist3001]

You have to admit that jailbreaking as a method of enabling mouse support doesn't put the same sort of pressure on the app and developer ecosystem and does not really "prove" anything with regard to what would happen to the world of iPad apps if a mouse became officially supported.

We weren't talking about the jailbreak community putting pressure on apple to enable mouse support. We were talking about how easy it is to add mouse support without needing to change any apps. Which the jailbreak community has proven.

 

[seadragon]

You have to admit that jailbreaking as a method of enabling mouse support doesn't put the same sort of pressure on the app and developer ecosystem and does not really "prove" anything with regard to what would happen to the world of iPad apps if a mouse became officially supported.

It proves that a mouse works just fine with iOS and apps.

 

[Nugget]

It proves that a mouse works just fine with iOS and apps.

That's just a tiny aspect of what is being discussed though. I don't imagine anyone finds that controversial. The concerns about adding official mouse support to iPad iOS are not simply that it might break technically.

 

[CLS727]

Yea I agree with this review. Awesome device but not a laptop replacement at all.

My workflow does not need a high powered computer.... I do a ton of screen shots, dragging dropping files into emails, iMessage, and Skype..... plus I need the screen space to see excel spreadsheets and accounting software as a split screen.

Impossible to do that on an iPad.... I've tried.

I need a mouse that I can move/resize lots of windows to fit whatever I'm working on.

To me, an iPad = watch movies on an airplane or for surfing the internet while I'm on the couch with the TV on..... not sure you need "pro" specs to do just that.

 

[seadragon]

The world of iPad ownership then becomes a frustrating exercise of monitoring app reviews and comments to learn if any particular app can be used successfully without a mouse. Sometimes you're going to download an app and then discover that it can't really be used effectively without that "optional" mouse.

That's just a tiny aspect of what is being discussed though. I don't imagine anyone finds that controversial. The concerns about adding official mouse support to iPad iOS are not simply that it might break technically.

It's like arguing about whether apps will require the use of the also *optional* Apple Pencil to be used effectively. I really don't see what the concern is here. If the app works with a pencil, it will work with a mouse or trackpad for that matter.