Dave2D has NAILED the new iPadPro

[DoubleFlyaway]

If you like this you'll love the monitor support!
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Missing the point: its not about the ipad replacing laptops, its about improving ipad laptop ability
to make it a great hybrid.
[doublepost=1542468557][/doublepost]Tableteers, imagine next year apple announces mouse support, adds a trackpad to the smart keyboard cover, and adds a more robust finder overlay to ios.

How would this change your ipad experience?

Honestly, it wouldn’t. I never loved the track pad on my MBPs—I prefer a touch screen, and, while I prefer a mouse to a trackpad, it was a pleasant surprise to find out I still didn’t miss the mouse when I got my 2nd gen 12.9.

That said, if I were still writing long articles or court filings, where I needed to go back and edit a ton, a mouse would be nice (but I also probably would never have switched from mbp to exclusively ipp in the first place). Since I’m not, I would probably never use one. For writing emails or pieces that are just a couple pages long and don’t require hardcore formatting, I’m totally happy with my current setup.

The Finder thing is also a non-issue for me, because I keep everything in the cloud and just use Files.

 

[RudySnow]

[QUOTE="rowspaxe, post: 26815689, member: 403701Tableteers, imagine next year apple announces mouse support, adds a trackpad to the smart keyboard cover, and adds a more robust finder overlay to ios.

How would this change your ipad experience?[/QUOTE]

It wouldn’t change a thing for 99% of iPad users, so this won’t happen.

 

[booksbooks]

If you like this you'll love the monitor support!
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Missing the point: its not about the ipad replacing laptops, its about improving ipad laptop ability
to make it a great hybrid.
[doublepost=1542468557][/doublepost]Tableteers, imagine next year apple announces mouse support, adds a trackpad to the smart keyboard cover, and adds a more robust finder overlay to ios.

How would this change your ipad experience?

This is not happening, and it wouldn’t change the iPad experience other than to make it worse. You’re trying to create a lawnmower with wings.

We already have mouse and multi-touch capability in one OS: TRACKPAD on a Mac + OS X.

 

[AlexJoda]

If you like this you'll love the monitor support!

How would this change your ipad experience?

This is also half baked. A monitor on an touch only device makes also not much sense because you cannot extend the display to that monitor...

 

[rowspaxe]

[mouse support is not] happening, and it wouldn’t change the iPad experience other than to make it worse.

Make your case: how would mouse support make the ipad worse?? specifically?

 

[RudySnow]

Make your case: how would mouse support make the ipad worse?? specifically?

I’ve already made the case throughout this thread.

 

[Brammy]

Missing the point: its not about the ipad replacing laptops, its about improving ipad laptop ability
to make it a great hybrid.

I stand by my original point: if 9/10 times a user is going to use a keyboard and mouse with their iPad, perhaps the MacBook and the cheap iPad is a better solution. I love my Pro, and use it with or without the keyboard during the day a lot, but even I'm wondering if just going Mac-only is better.

Tableteers, imagine next year apple announces mouse support, adds a trackpad to the smart keyboard cover, and adds a more robust finder overlay to ios.

How would this change your ipad experience?

These are two separate things. If the trackpad is built into the smart folio, I'd use it. I am not sure I would use an external device all that much.

An improved Files app is where I would rather Apple spends it efforts than adding mouse support.

 

[jeremiah256]

[QUOTE="rowspaxe, post: 26815689, member: 403701Tableteers, imagine next year apple announces mouse support, adds a trackpad to the smart keyboard cover, and adds a more robust finder overlay to ios.

How would this change your ipad experience?

It wouldn’t change a thing for 99% of iPad users, so this won’t happen.

Apple has always catered to the 1%. 99% of users should probably get the regular iPad, MacBook Air, and regular iMac, yet Apple produces and pushes products well beyond the average consumers needs with the iPad Pro.

- Less than 1% of customers need the power to run apps like full Photoshop on a tablet.

- Less than 1% of customers need Gigabit LTE on a tablet.

- Less than 1% of customers need 1TB of storage on a tablet.

Yet, Apple has created a device for those users. Saying less than 1% of customers need mouse support in a tablet (and I doubt very much it’s that low) is not a valid argument.

I can accept the argument that adding mouse support would seriously bite into MacBook and MacBook Air sales, so they won’t do it. That is a somewhat valid and logical reason, although it is strange they keep marketing the device as they do. But most of the arguments in this thread have been about aesthetics, or illogical workflow statements, or from purity gatekeepers who ignore that Apple can and has changed their products to meet the needs of their customers, regardless of their previous posturing.

 

[rowspaxe]

I stand by my original point: if 9/10 times a user is going to use a keyboard and mouse with their iPad, perhaps the MacBook and the cheap iPad is a better solution.

what about users who will use keyboard cover [and mouse] 5/10 times. When I had a surface, I used it 50/50 in laptop vs tablet mode. Your just wishing away the hybrid audience. But its real and
represented in this thread

 

[RudySnow]

Apple has always catered to the 1%. 99% of users should probably get the regular iPad, MacBook Air, and regular iMac, yet Apple produces and pushes products well beyond the average consumers needs with the iPad Pro.

- Less than 1% of customers need the power to run apps like full Photoshop on a tablet.

- Less than 1% of customers need Gigabit LTE on a tablet.

- Less than 1% of customers need 1TB of storage on a tablet.

Yet, Apple has created a device for those users. Saying less than 1% of customers need mouse support in a tablet (and I doubt very much it’s that low) is not a valid argument.

I can accept the argument that adding mouse support would seriously bite into MacBook and MacBook Air sales, so they won’t do it. That is a somewhat valid and logical reason, although it is strange they keep marketing the device as they do. But most of the arguments in this thread have been about aesthetics, or illogical workflow statements, or from purity gatekeepers who ignore that Apple can and has changed their products to meet the needs of their customers, regardless of their previous posturing.

You’re right, less than 1% of people need those bulletin points. And I’m sure less than 1% of people in the market for an iPad will buy any of those things. (Actually 0% have full Photoshop right now, but that’s besides the point.) I contend that no one who doesn’t need a maxed iPad will spend that kind of money to get it. Even if I concede that 25% of maxed-Pro users care to have a mouse, that’s one-half of one-half of one percent.

So, no, Apple won’t add mouse support across every iOS device just for that small percentage. Same reason they won’t add touch support to a macOS device. So once more, you can use an iPad without a mouse/trackpad. You CAN’T use a macOS device without a mouse/trackpad. That’s my case to you.

 

[rowspaxe]

I’ve already made the case throughout this thread.

I have read all 20 plus posts you have made in this thread: You never explain how adding
pointer/mouse capability to the ipad would deminish your user experience, except some
vague assertion that it will cause a blurring of macOs and ios. So I ask again, make your
specific point.

 

[RudySnow]

I have read all 20 plus posts you have made in this thread: You never explain how adding
pointer/mouse capability to the ipad would deminish your user experience, except some
vague assertion that it will cause a blurring of macOs and ios. So I ask again, make your
specific point.

I just replied. Your reply indicates you won’t don’t want to bother to absorb my other posts because they won’t fit your agenda, and you’d rather ask me to repeat myself, to which you won’t agree either.

If you need more clarification, I can’t help you.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Brammy]

what about users who will use keyboard cover [and mouse] 5/10 times. When I had a surface, I used it 50/50 in laptop vs tablet mode. Your just wishing away the hybrid audience. But its real and
represented in this thread

I’m not saying it’s not real. But I do think the deigned use of the iPad is hands on screen. I use the ASK About 50% of the time. Hybrids are tough. Sometimes instead of being really good at something, they can be simply ok at a few things.

I don’t really care either way if Apple puts mouse support on iOS. It’s low on my wish list, though. The mouse hill isn’t a virtual hill I want to die on.

 

[richpjr]

I’m not saying it’s not real. But I do think the deigned use of the iPad is hands on screen. I use the ASK About 50% of the time. Hybrids are tough. Sometimes instead of being really good at something, they can be simply ok at a few things.

I don’t really care either way if Apple puts mouse support on iOS. It’s low on my wish list, though. The mouse hill isn’t a virtual hill I want to die on.

It's not a matter of dying on a hill about it, it's about a few enhancements to the iPad that would make it more productive for how some use it (or could use it). Some don't need or want them, others can't live without them.

 

[booksbooks]

It's not a matter of dying on a hill about it, it's about a few enhancements to the iPad that would make it more productive for how some use it (or could use it). Some don't need or want them, others can't live without them.

What would make the iPad more productive?

It’s like asking how to make a lawnmower with wings more productive: the product itself is flawed for specific use cases.

You cannot get blood from a stone. I find what’s become of the iPad/tablet market to be a bit absurd. No matter how much stuff you glue and snap onto the iPad, it’ll never match the requisite functionality of a laptop.

You want a trackpad on the iPad’s keyboard folio? First, never happening as the design of iOS is fit for multi-touch and fingers, not a mouse arrow to 1 pixel. Second, been there done this with the Surface: sucks. Trackpad is just far too small and substandard.

Screen real estate is another issue with lack of second + monitor support.

Multi-tasking? Nope. No overlapping windows, no two Pages or Word documents side by side...

The list is long. The iPad is a tablet and people are trying to make it into something it’s not.

 

[zhenya]

What would make the iPad more productive?

It’s like asking how to make a lawnmower with wings more productive: the product itself is flawed for specific use cases.

You cannot get blood from a stone. I find what’s become of the iPad/tablet market to be a bit absurd. No matter how much stuff you glue and snap onto the iPad, it’ll never match the requisite functionality of a laptop.

You want a trackpad on the iPad’s keyboard folio? First, never happening as the design of iOS is fit for multi-touch and fingers, not a mouse arrow to 1 pixel. Second, been there done this with the Surface: sucks. Trackpad is just far too small and substandard.

Screen real estate is another issue with lack of second + monitor support.

Multi-tasking? Nope. No overlapping windows, no two Pages or Word documents side by side...

The list is long. The iPad is a tablet and people are trying to make it into something it’s not.

There is nothing about the iOS multi-touch UI that would prevent it from being perfectly compatible with a mouse. Nothing.

You are conflating two issues with the Surface comparison. Microsoft tried to tack a touch interface on top of a mouse based interface. Strike 1. Microsoft’s hardware choice for their touch pads is merely mediocre. Strike 2.

Apple has a history of doing better. The fact that Microsoft did a poor job of integrating these features really says nothing at all about how it would work at Apple.

I don’t expect my iPad to completely replace my laptop, but as an owner of nearly every iPad model since day 1, I have been having these exact same arguments since 2010. The iPad wasn’t ruined when it got a keyboard. It wasn’t ruined when it got a stylus. And it wasn’t ruined when it got multi-tasking. It’s clear as day that Apple is stringing users along a bit at a time as they develop iOS and add old tools to a new operating system. I expect Apple will eventually bring mouse support as well, the iPad once again won’t be ruined, and the critics will once again be silenced.

 

[richpjr]

What would make the iPad more productive?

It’s like asking how to make a lawnmower with wings more productive: the product itself is flawed for specific use cases.

You cannot get blood from a stone. I find what’s become of the iPad/tablet market to be a bit absurd. No matter how much stuff you glue and snap onto the iPad, it’ll never match the requisite functionality of a laptop.

You want a trackpad on the iPad’s keyboard folio? First, never happening as the design of iOS is fit for multi-touch and fingers, not a mouse arrow to 1 pixel. Second, been there done this with the Surface: sucks. Trackpad is just far too small and substandard.

Screen real estate is another issue with lack of second + monitor support.

Multi-tasking? Nope. No overlapping windows, no two Pages or Word documents side by side...

The list is long. The iPad is a tablet and people are trying to make it into something it’s not.

No, people are trying to make the tablet more useful, which is easily done with a few upgrades to iOS. This thread reminds me of these forums when the iPhone came out and didn't have cut and paste and all we heard about was reasons why it wasn't needed. Then Apple eventually released it and suddenly it was magical. I predict that many, if not all, of the things asked for will be in iOS in the next release or two.

 

[jinnyman]

If you are so interested in preserving iOs touch interface, then Apple is not doing a good job justifying increased price and increase in performance level. Other than better screen, better aesthetic design thing, A11x vs A12x does not improve anything particular when it comes to what people can do with iPad. Is someone doing anything in work that's bound to performance of iPad? I don't think so for 99% of people. Because we still cannot tax that glorified performance of Apple chip which surpasses some of x86 chips due to the bottleneck provided by limited iOS.

Graphic chips improving is still beneficial because, as I said earlier, iPad is a great gaming machine with huge price tag. And if you are belonging to that small amount of people doing video editing on iPad, well have fun.

 

[RudySnow]

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No, people are trying to make the tablet more useful, which is easily done with a few upgrades to iOS. This thread reminds me of these forums when the iPhone came out and didn't have cut and paste and all we heard about was reasons why it wasn't needed. Then Apple eventually released it and suddenly it was magical. I predict that many, if not all, of the things asked for will be in iOS in the next release or two.

So what? IOS matured, and Apple responded. The maturing nature of the iPad’s technical and/or user base growth does NOT equate to the need to add a mouse. Just because a vocal minority of people who want a glass slab with mouse support doesn’t make that so. ☉_☉

 

[Jonathantuba]

I agree that the USB should be better used and iOS software improved for the iPad Pro, but never get the calls for mouse and trackpad support when the device has touch screen, built in touch pad and pencil for precise work. I never feel a need for mouse, but when I use a Mac, always find myself reaching for the screen with no effect!

 

[RudySnow]

I don’t expect my iPad to completely replace my laptop(...)

Then stop wishing it to be. If it doesn’t work for YOU, get a laptop. If you can’t understand why mouse support is utterly ridiculous for iPad, well, that’s your issue.

 

[richpjr]

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So what? IOS matured, and Apple responded. The maturing nature of the iPad’s technical and/or user base growth does NOT equate to the need to add a mouse. Just because a vocal minority of people who want a glass slab with mouse support doesn’t make that so. ☉_☉

iOS has matured and will continue to mature, getting more features some people want and need despite the vocal ones opposed to them...

 

[RudySnow]

iOS has matured and will continue to mature, getting more features some people want and need despite the vocal ones opposed to them...

“Wants” and “nice to haves” and “necessities” and “improves functionality” do not equate.

 

[richpjr]

“Want” and “nice to haves” and “necessities” do not equate.

Tools that increase productivity are wanted and would be nice to have and necessary for Apple to continue growing the platform, especially since Apple has started pushing it as the only computer a lot of people will ever need. We'll see what Apple does, but as I said before I think most or all of the things people have asked for in this thread will be added in the next version or two of iOS.

 

[RudySnow]

Tools that increase productivity are wanted and would be nice to have and necessary for Apple to continue growing the platform, especially since Apple has started pushing it as the only computer a lot of people will ever need. We'll see what Apple does, but as I said before I think most or all of the things people have asked for in this thread will be added in the next version or two of iOS.

Well, as I said and in previous posts, just because one “wants” something based on one’s lack of knowledge as to how use the OS provided doesn’t mean those wants supersede the majority of people who think or use their machines otherwise. I know that none of the gripes people are trying to address won’t appear in future iOS versions because (1) they’ve been tested, and (2) it doesn’t make sense.