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What cable did you use for the Macbook test then? The cable is (regular) DP to DP, correct? AFAIK there's never been a regular DP port on a Macbook.

Yes, it was a short (~1ft) DP cable that came with my PC motherboard, intended to feed a DisplayPort connection from your GPU to the motherboard for Thunderbolt passthrough. I think it's DP 1.4 but I'm not sure.

The cable was plugged into a CalDigit TS4's DP 1.4 port.
 
Take a look at Kanto YU2
thanks, I got 3 sets of powered speakers from amazon (including the Kanto KU2, the AudioEngine 2+, and the Kef LSX2), and plan to return 2 of them when ive chosen which one. the first two are similarly priced and are smaller, and the Kef is the v expensive option (which does of course sound the best). im trying out all 3 for a week before I return the 2 I don't want.
 
Somewhere down thread (IIRC) somebody commented (can't find the exact post):
  • You need to enable an HDR setting under the OSD's Smart HDR setting. Then you should see macOS present an HDR checkbox in the display settings.
I've tried all the Smart HDR settings and so far can't get the checkbox to appear. Has anyone got it working and if so with what monitor settings?
 
Somewhere down thread (IIRC) somebody commented (can't find the exact post):
  • You need to enable an HDR setting under the OSD's Smart HDR setting. Then you should see macOS present an HDR checkbox in the display settings.
I've tried all the Smart HDR settings and so far can't get the checkbox to appear. Has anyone got it working and if so with what monitor settings?
If you have BetterDisplay just change the native resolution to 6016X3384, if you don't, just change the refresh rate to 30Hertz from Display setting then the HDR button might show up.

**I'm not sure why but the sharpness of the texts now looks similar to my iMac27 5K after I changed to 6016x3384
 

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Right, changing the refresh rate down to 30Hz did indeed allow the HDR option to appear.
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I'm not sure of the benefits of having it available though against the reduction in refresh rate.....

Is BetterDisplay really needed to get the best out of this monitor? Any dangers / disadvantages of running it?
 
Right, changing the refresh rate down to 30Hz did indeed allow the HDR option to appear.
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I'm not sure of the benefits of having it available though against the reduction in refresh rate.....

Is BetterDisplay really needed to get the best out of this monitor? Any dangers / disadvantages of running it?
I think is not necessary, even though you change the resolution to 6016x3384, the monitor will still convert it back to 6144×3456, I think cause of the HiDPI changed back to Mac default resolution that makes me feel more like Mac's text look and feel.

I don't think BetterDisplay will cause any damage to the monitor, it just change the resolution.
 
I think is not necessary, even though you change the resolution to 6016x3384, the monitor will still convert it back to 6144×3456, I think cause of the HiDPI changed back to Mac default resolution that makes me feel more like Mac's text look and feel.
Okay thanks, I'll download it and see if it does make any visible difference to the display. Saying that I'm using the monitor at a resolution of 3360 x 1890 anyway so would I see any benefit of using BetterDisplay?
 
Okay thanks, I'll download it and see if it does make any visible difference to the display. Saying that I'm using the monitor at a resolution of 3360 x 1890 anyway so would I see any benefit of using BetterDisplay?
I think the best test will be your test. Why don’t you try it out and post the results?
 
I was asking as from what I'd read on the BetterDisplay site that it was looking like the Pro version may be required and I'm not willing to buy the app just to test something out?
Edit I did try it out but very quickly decided that IO don't need the 6016x3384 resolution, the 3360x1890 scaled resolution works very well for me (and my 60 year old eyes). :)
 
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Disclaimer: I’m not an expert in this video stuff, so I could be wrong. But here’s my best guess right now:

TLDR:

For most of us Mac users connecting via Thunderbolt 3/4, this is going to be a poor visual experience without making any adjustments.

With TB4, using a custom native resolution of 6016x3384 with BetterDisplay will improve text (and enable HDR).

You likely get better results using HDMI 2.0+ or some DisplayPort path that works with DSC. This is likely good enough for most…

The “best” visual experience (without DSC) won’t happen with any Mac (+ adapters) that exists today as shipping products. (Maybe someone with a hackintosh can do it.)

Here’s why:

When you connect via Thunderbolt 4, DSC isn’t enabled at max resolution. (I think this is a bug somewhere.) Thus, the bandwidth requirements are REALLY high. I tested this with M1 Max 16 MBP and a M2 Pro Mac Mini.

The best data rate for video you can get via Thunderbolt 3/4 today is DP 1.4... 25.92 Gbit/s. (Excluding MST, which doesn’t seem to apply here.)

At 6144x3456 x 60 fps x 10 bit per channel color (needed for HDR), 4:4:4 Subsampling (needed for clear text), you’d need at 35.6 Gbps. (There’s also a blanking interval, so it adds a bit to that).

From what I read, DSC claims to offer 3.75 to 1 compression at the above video configuration. So with DSC, the data rate needed is only ~9.5 Gbps, which comfortably fits in 25.92 Gbits of available data rate.

Without DSC, the system tries to find something that will fit in 25.92Gbps. The OSD indicates that it was using 8 bit color (instead of 10). So that’s why there’s no HDR. But that’s still too big at 28.48 Gbps. My guess is then the system selects 4:2:2 subsampling then because it will bring it down to 18.98. However, the text will look poor amongst those who notice these things. This should explain why a lot of people don’t like the U3224KB compared to their existing displays.

As someone on reddit reported, going down to 6016x3384 using Better Display seems to make the display a lot better on Thunderbolt. For whatever reason, DSC works with this resolution. 6016 x 3384 x 60 fps x 10 bit per channel color (needed for HDR), 4:4:4 Subsampling still needs 34.13 Gbps (plus blanking interval). But working DSC makes the effective need only ~9.10Gbps.

You might think that the text still looks a little weird in this mode. If so, try going to the OSD and select Aspect Ratio of 1:1 (rather than the default 16:9). This should cause the monitor to not upscale to the max resolution. (At the cost of leaving ~4.1% of your pixels unused.)

If you use HDMI, only the M2 Pro's built in HDMI seems to have enough bandwidth at this moment as it’s the only one capable of HDMI 2. In my testing with a Mac Mini, it can communicate FRL 6 to the display, which provides 42 Gbps (and DSC works). Though you’re probably not getting a full 42 Gbps path since the HDMI port probably connects via DisplayPort 1.4 to the video subsystem. But DSC works, so it fits.

If you don't have a M2 Pro, dongles could work. I tried the HDMI dongle setup mentioned in "DP/USB-C/Thunderbolt 3/4 to HDMI 2.1 4k@120hz RGB4:4:4 10b HDR” thread. In that situation, it only negotiates FRL 4, but DSC works. 28.0 Gbit/s + DSC, so it is fine.

(Interesting that is doesn’t do FRL 6, but the DP 1.4 is the limiting factor anyway. Though, I wonder if anyone is really getting true 4k 120Hz 10bpc 444 since that requires 29.66Gbps (+ blanking).I wonder what the VMM7100 is doing in this situation…)

Presumably the first Mac that supports DP 2.0 (or some crazy high resolution since Apple doesn’t actually state what protocol is supported), we’ll be making the most of the this display. 4 lane DP 2.0 has a max data rate of 77.37. Full max resolution + HDR + 444 without DSC is 35.6 Gbps (+ blanking). This could even fit in 2 lanes.

Though given this line in the U3224KB documentation, it doesn’t seem that would ever work over TB4. From page 17:

Video output from mDP/HDMI port at maximum resolution 6144 x 3456 at 60Hz is 1.07 billion colors. Video output from ThunderboltTM 4 upstream at maximum resolution 6144 x 3456 at 60Hz is 1.07 billion colors with DSC.

Wonder what chips inside the U3224K has that limitation. Or if this is a grey area of the standard until TB5.

Hopefully this gives you enough information to make the right connection for your situation (or send it back).

And hopefully TB4+DSC at max resolution is just a firmware update away (that appears very soon).
 
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As someone on reddit reported, going down to 6016x3384 using Better Display seems to make the display a lot better on Thunderbolt. For whatever reason DSC works with this resolution.

The Pro Display XDR is 6016 by 3384 pixels at 10-bit color so it is possible Apple's TB4 controller only supports DSC at that resolution as at the time it was designed the only 6K display in development was the Pro Display XDR so they did not bother with higher resolutions (even if only slightly higher).
 
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Going further, it was likely the only 6K panel in existence, so Apple’s engineers probably assumed (with pretty good reason) that panel development would standardise around the same 6K resolution as Apple was using.

It is rather unusual that we have 6K panels of two different resolutions.
 
I was asking as from what I'd read on the BetterDisplay site that it was looking like the Pro version may be required and I'm not willing to buy the app just to test something out?
Edit I did try it out but very quickly decided that IO don't need the 6016x3384 resolution, the 3360x1890 scaled resolution works very well for me (and my 60 year old eyes). :)
I think the question is, given the ability to then select 6016x3384, can you then select 3508x1692 resolution (rather than the previous 3360x1890 scaled resolution) and get a better result. (Right? Can one do that?)
 
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My launch day order is scheduled to finally arrive tomorrow. Maybe just in time to send it back because of whatever is announced at WWDC. :)
 
The BetterDisplay "other 6k" trick indeed works on my M1 Pro MBP. That along with 1:1 ratio does indeed yield cleaner text.

Was curious to see how the Intel iMac would react, but for whatever reason setting a custom native resolution with BetterDisplay on it has no effect, even after reboot… it insists on the monitor's actual native resolution. Oh well.
 
I think the question is, given the ability to then select 6016x3384, can you then select 3508x1692 resolution (rather than the previous 3360x1890 scaled resolution) and get a better result. (Right? Can one do that?)
If anyone works out how to achieve that I'd be very interested too!
 
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It is rather unusual that we have 6K panels of two different resolutions.

The Apple and Dell monitors using different panel OEMs - LG for Apple and BOE for Dell. It is possible the LG panel is physically 6034 by 3384 with 18 rows disabled for some reason or it is just natively 6016x3384.
 
Using a USB-C to DisplayPort adapter (and a DisplayPort to mini DisplayPort cable) at max resolution, I still see no DSC.

It appears, a "right" HDMI adapter is necessary to get max resolution/color/chroma/refresh from a Mac.
 
Using a USB-C to DisplayPort adapter (and a DisplayPort to mini DisplayPort cable) at max resolution, I still see no DSC.

It appears, a "right" HDMI adapter is necessary to get max resolution/color/chroma/refresh from a Mac.
I've tried type-c to HDMI 2.1 cable which only gives me a 4K resolution, I think it's still under HDMI 2.0.
 
I've tried type-c to HDMI 2.1 cable which only gives me a 4K resolution, I think it's still under HDMI 2.0.
I think the main issue is whether or not DSC works. I think DSC is an optional feature of HDMI 2.1... Lot of devices claim HDMI 2.1 support, but only support a subset of the 2.1 features.

Can you check you OSD->Others->Display Info and see what it says for Stream Info? If it gives a bit rate and then ends with DSC then DSC is working.

The two HDMI "adapters" I've gotten to work are:

- HDMI port of M2 Pro Mac Mini
- Cable Matters 201388A with the updated firmware from the "DP/USB-C/Thunderbolt 3/4 to HDMI 2.1 4k@120hz RGB4:4:4 10b HDR with Apple Silicon M1/M2" thread

Without the updated firmware, the 201388A connects at 2160p with the U3224KB.

If your cable has a VMM6100/VMM7100 chip, there's a chance the procedure in that other thread might get things working.
 
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I think the main issue is whether or not DSC works. I think DSC is an optional feature of HDMI 2.1... Lot of devices claim HDMI 2.1 support, but only support a subset of the 2.1 features.

Can you check you OSD->Others->Display Info and see what it says for Stream Info? If it gives a bit rate and then ends with DSC then DSC is working.

The two HDMI "adapters" I've gotten to work are:

- HDMI port of M2 Pro Mac Mini
- Cable Matters 201388A with the updated firmware from the "DP/USB-C/Thunderbolt 3/4 to HDMI 2.1 4k@120hz RGB4:4:4 10b HDR with Apple Silicon M1/M2" thread

Without the updated firmware, the 201388A connects at 2160p with the U3224KB.

If your cable has a VMM6100/VMM7100 chip, there's a chance the procedure in that other thread might get things working.
It shows "6Gps 4CH", and the resolution is 2160p 36-bit. I'll buy a new one to test your solution~
 
I was speaking to Dell today about the weird webcam faults, but their tech support is pretty limited to the usual first-line stuff - i.e. does it happen on another machine? reinstall the drivers... reinstall the apps... * shrug shoulders *.... So I think I'm going to return it, but that in itself is proving to be not the easiest process either!
 
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