did you get your 17" C2D MBP yet?

[shecky]

if this helps anyone with their conspiracy theories, this AM the money for the 15" CTO (2.33/160GB/2GB/matte) i ordered yesterday was pulled out of my available balance, and they have already invoice me for my applecare (which i think means it has been shipped).

still waiting on order status to go back up so i can get more clear details.

 

[darkwing]

if this helps anyone with their conspiracy theories, this AM the money for the 15" CTO (2.33/160GB/2GB/matte) i ordered yesterday was pulled out of my available balance, and they have already invoice me for my applecare (which i think means it has been shipped).

still waiting on order status to go back up so i can get more clear details.

This happened to me a week+ ago.

 

[hardhead89]

The US site is still down. mine was scheduled to ship on the 9th. I havent gotten and email yet pushing it back. I guess I'll wait till tomorrow to see.....

 

[darkwing]

status back up

Custom configuration

2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM-2x1GB
100GB Serial ATA Drive@7200rpm
SuperDrive 8X
17" Widescreen Display
No Modem
BkLit Keyboard/Mac OS
Country Kit

Ships by: Nov 09 - Nov 14
Delivers by: Nov 14 - Nov 17

My total shows the $50 discount as well as the 0 cost for expedited shipping.

 

[shecky]

order status is back up.

looks like mine is in production as i can no longer cancel the order.

 

[chromos]

order status is back up.

looks like mine is in production as i can no longer cancel the order.

Same here. Stock config, cancellable up until yesterday. No longer. fingers crossed!

 

[Tadow]

order status is back up.

looks like mine is in production as i can no longer cancel the order.

Ok, time to leave the 17" forum then

 

[jericho878]

What I find baffling is that the Apple Store continues to show 7-10 business days for 17" MBPs. Considering the delay emails, I would expect Apple to push everything, including new orders, back one week. It doesn't seem reasonable that the OEM is going to successfully cram 3 weeks of production backlog into 1 week.

My theory: there's a component problem on the 17" (screens or batteries). The supplier promised Apple new shipments in time to get the machines out on time, which they couldn't deliver. Apple's caught holding the bag, and meanwhile its customers are left computer-less and frustrated.

No public company wants to admit that it has supply chain problems, hence Apple's spin of the problem as one of "unexpected high demand."

 

[shecky]

My theory: there's a component problem on the 17" (screens or batteries). The supplier promised Apple new shipments in time to get the machines out on time, which they couldn't deliver. Apple's caught holding the bag, and meanwhile its customers are left computer-less and frustrated.

i agree. looking at how (seemingly) fast my 15 is getting made, logic dictates it is not the chips, hard drive, or RAM. So it would have to be the screen, logic board, battery or possibly the DL superdrive.

 

[asondica]

My order (details in signature below) now shows this in the status...

"Ships by: Nov 09 - Nov 14
Delivers by: Nov 15 - Nov 22"

 

[Clix Pix]

i agree. looking at how (seemingly) fast my 15 is getting made, logic dictates it is not the chips, hard drive, or RAM. So it would have to be the screen, logic board, battery or possibly the DL superdrive.

It makes sense that it would be the display/LCD screen that is the source of the delay, as it's going to be unique to the 17" whereas some of the other stuff might be shared with the 15" MBPs....

 

[asondica]

earlier, i started a brief discussion about the benefit (or lack thereof) in getting a 100gb at 7200 instead of the 160 at 5400.

quoting a chat with a friend:
"work it out. two 50GB platters at 7200rpm -versus- two 80GB platters at 5400rpm. so you have: 1.33x the RPM -versus- 1.6x the platter density. therefore: for a straight linear read, a 160GB 5400rpm disk actually has the potential to be faster than a 100GB 7200rpm disk"

and adding that to the very slight difference in random read speed between the two, there isn't much of an advantage.. not in my eyes anyway.

 

[darkwing]

earlier, i started a brief discussion about the benefit (or lack thereof) in getting a 100gb at 7200 instead of the 160 at 5400.

quoting a chat with a friend:
"work it out. two 50GB platters at 7200rpm -versus- two 80GB platters at 5400rpm. so you have: 1.33x the RPM -versus- 1.6x the platter density. therefore: for a straight linear read, a 160GB 5400rpm disk actually has the potential to be faster than a 100GB 7200rpm disk"

and adding that to the very slight difference in random read speed between the two, there isn't much of an advantage.. not in my eyes anyway.

Doubling the density increases the error rate as well. If what you say is true, then surely the 200 gig drive at 4200 would outperform the 160 at 5400.

 

[AndrewWx]

Hope its true

I just called The Mother Ship hoping to at least get expedited shipping. The rep told me that it was shipping on the 9th.

"you mean the 9th to the 14th" I said

"No it is shipping on the 9th" he said

Now of course this got me off the phone and maybe it is a new tactic. But the 2% part of me that is not cynical is excited.

Here's to hope

Cheers All

 

[jkwuc89]

My order status now states:

Ships by: Nov 09 - Nov 14
Delivers by: Nov 14 - Nov 17

Shipping has changed to 2 Day

Nothing on my order status page indicates that the system is in "manufacturing".

 

[macs4ever]

Ok now im confused.

1st rep said 9 days "Max."
website said 3 weeks.
2nd rep said delivery by 8th.
website said delivery by 15th.
Order status UK goes down for 12 hours
Order status UK comes back online with same date of delivery - 15th Nov.

Today is the 'estimated' shipping date and it just says 'Not Yet Shipped'. Im 99% sure Im due an email telling me its delayed, but where is it? I'll accept that its been delayed if I simply get some feedback from Apple!

 

[asondica]

to which the fella now says..

comparing 100-160 versus 160-200 >>>> "1.25x platter capacity versus 1.28x spindle rotation, rather than 1.60x platter capacity vs 1.33x spindle rotation" - i.e. not a linear relationship.

 

[darkwing]

to which the fella now says..

comparing 100-160 versus 160-200 >>>> "1.25x platter capacity versus 1.28x spindle rotation, rather than 1.60x platter capacity vs 1.33x spindle rotation" - i.e. not a linear relationship.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/storage25.html

There's the 7200 rpm hitachi creaming the 5400 rpm in overall data throughput.

 

[asondica]

http://www23.tomshardware.com/storage25.html

There's the 7200 rpm hitachi creaming the 5400 rpm in overall data throughput.

nice.
thanks

i don't know, write speed dif of 8 megs between the 100 and 160 doesn't justify the loss of capacity to me, especially as most of my media projects are worked on externally [external disks].

*shrug* to each his own

 

[kettle]

It makes sense that it would be the display/LCD screen that is the source of the delay, as it's going to be unique to the 17" whereas some of the other stuff might be shared with the 15" MBPs....

Maybe they decided to complete the 'more than expected' 15" orders so less people would have a chance to cancel and get a MacBook C2D instead. This would have forced the 'more than expected' 17" orders to be delayed but would be less likely to loose orders to MacBooks.

 

[asondica]

nice.
thanks

i don't know, write speed dif of 8 megs between the 100 and 160 doesn't justify the loss of capacity to me, especially as most of my media projects are worked on externally [external disks].

*shrug* to each his own

hang on.
here: http://www23.tomshardware.com/storage25.html?modelx=33&model1=425&model2=414&chart=145

only a 5meg difference on average.
and notice who gets the lead. a 5400 samsung 40GB


UPDATE >>> http://www23.tomshardware.com/storage25.html?modelx=33&model1=427&model2=414&chart=157 the 7200 uses almost twice the power as the 5400. yikes.

 

[dalailaptop]

I think they're coming

I tried to change my order to the 160hd after reading folks' comments and the tests elsewhere on disk speed. But my order is now locked down in processing and I couldn't.

Hopefully that means it's coming soon, I too got the delay message yesterday when it was supposed to ship with 9-14th as the new timeframe...

 

[usvi4me]

I tried to change my order to the 160hd after reading folks' comments and the tests elsewhere on disk speed. But my order is now locked down in processing and I couldn't.

Hopefully that means it's coming soon, I too got the delay message yesterday when it was supposed to ship with 9-14th as the new timeframe...

Have not been able to change mine for almost a week......

 

[darkwing]

nice.
thanks

i don't know, write speed dif of 8 megs between the 100 and 160 doesn't justify the loss of capacity to me, especially as most of my media projects are worked on externally [external disks].

*shrug* to each his own

I agree. You get 60% more capacity or what was it, 19% more throughput? I just want the maximum possible speed all the time as I never seem to have more than 50 gigs on my computer at any given time.

 

[darkwing]

hang on.
here: http://www23.tomshardware.com/storage25.html?modelx=33&model1=425&model2=414&chart=145

only a 5meg difference on average.
and notice who gets the lead. a 5400 samsung 40GB


UPDATE >>> http://www23.tomshardware.com/storage25.html?modelx=33&model1=427&model2=414&chart=157 the 7200 uses almost twice the power as the 5400. yikes.

Never heard of the Samsung drive. What were the conditions of the average test? How full were the drives? What was the block size? Etc etc.

I knew about the power consumption. If the battery is a 60 W/hr, then an extra 2.5 watts less consumption on 4 hours of battery life might add an extra 30-40 mins.

One of two things will happen.

1) Apple will have a lot of angry customers who bought 7200 rpm drives and they turn out to be not faster as their website stated. (It said something about "if you need the fastest possible performance, get the 7200 rpm drive.)

2) A lot of 5400 rpm customers will see the benchmarks and hunt for anything they can to not feel slow.

If the drive used in the C2d MBP is the Seagate which is slower than the Hitachi I'm going to be extremely upset. Wouldn't you? I wanted the fastest possible drive. I don't care about consumption of power or anything. That's just me.