So are you starting your argument with "If people understood with an unbiased mind they wouldn't gilt Apple with such unnecessary adoration." ?
Would this also mean that any company that is adored by loyal customers is subject to biased opinion and that any loyal customer capable of positive appraisal is in possession of false personal experience and therefore should be excluded from any further discussion?
I trust that you have no positive things to say about any subject else live in fear of imminent flame attack by your own arguments.
I just know you wrote that first paragraph for me.
Wouldn't it be funny if the next 17" you buy is just great and does everything you ever wanted better than you ever imagined.
What would that make you?
Blissfully ignorant?
Happy?
In response to your questions, and in my own defense:
No, i did not start my argument, if you would even call it such in the first place, with the statement you claim, nor did i ever make claims that a person who is loyal to apple has no valuable experience to share in any kind of discussion, even one of a complaint. My friend, the claims you are making are unfair and you should really try and read what it is I actually said in its entirety. Out of your haste you drew conclusions that were simply misinformed...
I do agree that an apple loyalist will bring a biased opinion, however, so would a person with a negative opinion...but that's not the point, what I was talking about was a totally different topic altogether. Loyalty was NEVER the issue. If you define someone who sees NO fault in something as loyal then i feel loyalty would be a terrible trait for one to possess. I like to think that loyalty refers to one who accepts a person, cause or, in this case, corporation as is, positive and negative both. Support a company, be loyal, fine, in fact good, but be intelligent enough that you can admit to its flaws, youd be doing yourself a disfavor by ignoring such blatent weakness. if you choose to do nothing about it, that's a whole nother story, but to ignore it or be blind to such...that is ignorance. To assume apple is perfect in its entirety would be the very same "blissfully ignorant" as you accused of me. For example, as much as i love apple, they do pollute more then they should, however, i will still buy their products, support them, yet it would be truly stupid of me, if i claimed that it doesn't matter, or that they shouldn't bother to seek ways to deliver great products and protect the environment simultaneaously. in this example, polluting would still be a mistake regardless of apple providing a great product, and being perfect in every other sense.
In my rant, i stated that apple is a GREAT company, has GREAT products, and that I have simply expereinced a string of negative experiences which could even be a complete fluke, yet it was a mistake on apple's part nontheless. In fact, if you bothered to have come to me directly about the matter, since it seems you were so offended, you would have seen that I, more then most, give apple the respect it deserves and beyond. When people went yelling at them for the initial delay in MBP's i actually told the sales rep that i understood and did not expect any compensation.
You then took your supposedly rational reasoning to the extent where you somehow drew the conclusion that because i said something negative about apple and those who think that apple commits no wrong, that i had nothing positive to say about anything at all...i wont even begin to refute such a claim...your logic at this point seems impecible.
My suggestion to you:
Read the passage again if you don't mind.
Realize that i in no way was trying to single you out.
Understand that i in no way said any of the things you were trying to make look like i said.
Try and see that we probably both agree more then we disagree.
Perhaps be a little sensitive to the fact that i would much rather be in your shoes and have NO problem with apple, HAVE my GREAT, yes GREAT computer that ive been waiting for forever, finally get rid of windows and have nothing negative to say about you, apple or anything at all for that matter.
So please, dont take offense, be fair. now we've both got our "he said she said" out of the way, from now on let's just call what was said a misunderstanding and move on, i have no fight with you. lets keep these matters between one another and not try and criticise posts just for the fun of it. myself included.
in a more productive light, what i was actually trying to accomplish by that first paragraph was this. I was merely trying to point out that the people who wanted to make ME, the customer, feel bad or subordinate to Apple, were not appreciatted at the moment because of the sensitivity of the issue and that those people who make those comments are the ones who are truly ignorant and actually think that Apple cannot and doesnot make mistakes. I gave and example of such statement in the very next paragraph..more importantly i wanted to reach out to those people who would bother to try and put their selves in my shoes...try and understand that my whole problem was really coming from the fact that i liked apple and their products and that it sucked to be treated that way and continuously lied to and made to feel insignificant. If i truly hated apple, i wouldnt go back and buy their products, i wouldnt say good things about them, i wouldn't still be on this site...i felt i had a valuable experience to share since im sure some are going or have gone throgh something similar...and those people would actually understand and relate, rather then immediately do the same apple had been doing by putting me down...which at that time i had frankly had enough of...
For everyone else who has to deal with all my writing, as well as Kettle's, i apologize. i really hope this thread gets back on topic, i was really enjoying it...believe it or not.
