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Hi guys,
Does anyone know how much these diy displays weigh? I know it will vary depending on components used, but I'm trying to choose a VESA mount and want to be sure it can handle the weight. Any recommendations?
 

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My build - with VESA mount - which was fairly full inside, weighed 6.67 Kg.
 
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i486dx2-66

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My T18 arrived today. The package sure took a beating on the journey, but I don't see any physical damage to the board itself. It was shipped in two flat boxes taped together, so it effectively had a double-wall central support.

Interestingly, there is a foam sheet secured to the rear of the PCB with a perimeter of adhesive tape - they must know that their target audience is cramming these into metal monitor shells, and know that protecting the rear from shorting out is advantageous. 😁

I'm not set up to start assembling/testing with the display panel, but in the meantime, here's some technical info, since there is basically none available for this board.

The ports on the front face are:
  1. HDMI (x2)
  2. DP (full size)
  3. USB-C
  4. USB Type B
  5. USB Type A (x2)
  6. 1/8" audio (headphone) jack
  7. Barrel-type power connector
  8. There is an additional unpopulated footprint between the two USB Type A jacks - it looks like it has four pins, but exceeds its silkscreen outline, so perhaps they provisioned for a different USB connector type in this location?

... and then around the rest of the PCB:
  1. A 6-pin connector into which a cable with red and black wires is attached. The silkscreen label calls these LED- (four black wires) and LED+ (two red wires) - this would be the backlight power.
  2. A 12-pin connector into which a 10 pin connector is inserted, the 10-pin connector itself having 8 wires populated, ultimately only using the centermost 8 of the 12 pins of the PCB connector. This cable goes to the button PCB, which has buttons for Menu, Down, Up, Enter, and Power. A bi-color Red/Green LED is on this PCB as well. This connector has silkscreen labels (not all of them do), and the pins are marked K1 / K2 / K3 / K4 / K5 / K6 / GND / LED1 / LED2 / K7 / 5V / IR. Again, only the central eight are used, so it looks like this main PCB supports an infrared remote, even though one isn't offered for it, nor does the button PCB have a receiver. The PCB identifier markings are different, but otherwise the layout and connector pin labels on this T18 button board appear to be the same as those from the T19 listing photos.
  3. A four-pin connector with no cable attached, which appears to be for an I2C connection, as it has 5V / SCL / SDA / GND markings on the silkscreen
  4. Two heavier metal connectors, with lots of very fine blue and red wires - this would be the display data to the panel?
  5. A four pin connector with no cable attached, which appears to be an audio output (R- / R+ / L+ / L- markings on the silkscreen)
  6. An unpopulated spot for a connector, with silkscreen labels of VCC_5V / DM / DP / DGND / RX / TX. This one is interesting - DM and DP are probably "Data Minus" and "Data Plus", so some kind of differential signal. The silkscreen on the other side has a large "E"....
  7. An unpopulated spot for a 6-pin connector, with silkscreen markings of GND / GND / ADJ / EN / VCC / VCC. Not sure what that is, but it's within the backlight driver section...

All of the cables came attached to the PCB, with their loose ends separately wrapped in bubble wrap and taped. The button board was also pre-attached to the main board via cables. The main circuit board itself is 190x90mm, and the mounting holes are irregular in both positions and sizes. Two holes are round, and two are slotted, and only two appear to be aligned with each other in any way. The heatsink on the main chip is 105.5 x 68 mm, and about 7.5mm thick.

There is a paper sticker on the PCB that says "Haijing Cool T18 DC24V 880mA". The electrolytic capacitors across the PCB are almost all rated at 35V, so 24V seems legit. The bundled power supply is 19V 4.74A, has no brand name, and says "SUITABLE FOR LENOVO" on it. It says "ALSO DONOT USE THIS POWER IN SUPERHIGH PLACES ADAPTER." on it, so I'll be sure to keep that in mind. A US power cord, and a THICK USB-C cable - seriously the beefiest I've ever seen - was included as well. I'll replace the power supply with a name-brand unit, but figured the bundle was worth it even if I only ended up using it for testing.
 
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i486dx2-66

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I also did a quick inventory of ICs on the T18 board... List format is the reference designator (if known - some are obscured or difficult to read) and the side of the PCB it is on, the chip marking, the chip description, the manufacturer (if known), and the data sheet link (if I could find one).

Generally one would not need to know this level of information - but it does prove handy when trying to figure out mystery connectors, future repairs, or to know the capabilities of the device. For example, knowing that it has a 15W per channel audio amplifier is helpful.


U801 (back side)
FE1.1s
USB 2.0 4-port hub controller
???

??? (front)
PAM8006A
15W Stereo Class-D Audio Power Amplifier with Power Limit
Diodes, Inc


U102 (front)
JW5068A
Synchronous Step-Down Converter
JoulWatt

IC1 (front)
OB3365VP
LED driver for LCD backlight applications
On-Bright


U201, U202 (front)
B15N10D
N-Channel 100-V (D-S) MOSFET
BiTEK


U1, U4 (front)
BAX P28 530
???
???
???


U803 (front)
NCE30PD08S
NCE P-Channel Enhancement Mode Power MOSFET
NCEPOWER


U804 (front)
G020K8U6
32bit Type-C/PD Controller
CHIPSEA


??? (front)
9435 24M1ML
???
???
???

??? (front)
P25Q16H
Ultra Low Power 16M-bit Serial Multi I/O Flash Memory
Puya Semiconductor
 
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My T18 arrived today. The package sure took a beating on the journey, but I don't see any physical damage to the board itself. It was shipped in two flat boxes taped together, so it effectively had a double-wall central support.

Interestingly, there is a foam sheet secured to the rear of the PCB with a perimeter of adhesive tape - they must know that their target audience is cramming these into metal monitor shells, and know that protecting the rear from shorting out is advantageous. 😁

I'm not set up to start assembling/testing with the display panel, but in the meantime, here's some technical info, since there is basically none available for this board.

The ports on the front face are:
  1. HDMI (x2)
  2. DP (full size)
  3. USB-C
  4. USB Type B
  5. USB Type A (x2)
  6. 1/8" audio (headphone) jack
  7. Barrel-type power connector
  8. There is an additional unpopulated footprint between the two USB Type A jacks - it looks like it has four pins, but exceeds its silkscreen outline, so perhaps they provisioned for a different USB connector type in this location?

... and then around the rest of the PCB:
  1. A 6-pin connector into which a cable with red and black wires is attached. The silkscreen label calls these LED- (four black wires) and LED+ (two red wires) - this would be the backlight power.
  2. A 12-pin connector into which a 10 pin connector is inserted, the 10-pin connector itself having 8 wires populated, ultimately only using the centermost 8 of the 12 pins of the PCB connector. This cable goes to the button PCB, which has buttons for Menu, Down, Up, Enter, and Power. A bi-color Red/Green LED is on this PCB as well. This connector has silkscreen labels (not all of them do), and the pins are marked K1 / K2 / K3 / K4 / K5 / K6 / GND / LED1 / LED2 / K7 / 5V / IR. Again, only the central eight are used, so it looks like this main PCB supports an infrared remote, even though one isn't offered for it, nor does the button PCB have a receiver. The PCB identifier markings are different, but otherwise the layout and connector pin labels on this T18 button board appear to be the same as those from the T19 listing photos.
  3. A four-pin connector with no cable attached, which appears to be for an I2C connection, as it has 5V / SCL / SDA / GND markings on the silkscreen
  4. Two heavier metal connectors, with lots of very fine blue and red wires - this would be the display data to the panel?
  5. A four pin connector with no cable attached, which appears to be an audio output (R- / R+ / L+ / L- markings on the silkscreen)
  6. An unpopulated spot for a connector, with silkscreen labels of VCC_5V / DM / DP / DGND / RX / TX. This one is interesting - DM and DP are probably "Data Minus" and "Data Plus", so some kind of differential signal. The silkscreen on the other side has a large "E"....
  7. An unpopulated spot for a 6-pin connector, with silkscreen markings of GND / GND / ADJ / EN / VCC / VCC. Not sure what that is, but it's within the backlight driver section...

All of the cables came attached to the PCB, with their loose ends separately wrapped in bubble wrap and taped. The button board was also pre-attached to the main board via cables. The main circuit board itself is 190x90mm, and the mounting holes are irregular in both positions and sizes. Two holes are round, and two are slotted, and only two appear to be aligned with each other in any way. The heatsink on the main chip is 105.5 x 68 mm, and about 7.5mm thick.

There is a paper sticker on the PCB that says "Haijing Cool T18 DC24V 880mA". The electrolytic capacitors across the PCB are almost all rated at 35V, so 24V seems legit. The bundled power supply is 19V 4.74A, has no brand name, and says "SUITABLE FOR LENOVO" on it. It says "ALSO DONOT USE THIS POWER IN SUPERHIGH PLACES ADAPTER." on it, so I'll be sure to keep that in mind. A US power cord, and a THICK USB-C cable - seriously the beefiest I've ever seen - was included as well. I'll replace the power supply with a name-brand unit, but figured the bundle was worth it even if I only ended up using it for testing.
do you think it’s safe to use it with type C? Is there an option to disable charging over it? I had burned my M1 macs charging port before while using PD over one of the best seller anker hubs so I am kinda scared about. Is there a way to check it whether the surge protection is good enough or not?
 

i486dx2-66

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So I got it hooked up to my panel last night (from a 2014 5K iMac), and have some mixed but encouraging results...

I'll add them in-line with prior posts about the T18:


- 5k60 works via single cable, USB-C to USB-C or USB-C to Displayport from M1 Macbook Air, (HDMI not tested yet)
- "billions of color" so I figure it supports 10bit
I can second this. I didn't try USB-C to USB-C yet (for reasons indicated below), but USB-C to DP worked great and detected the full resolution immediately. Just as with your test, the 4:4:4 chroma sample looks perfect. 👍

For HDMI from the M1, if that is possible, I think it might take a third-party HDMI adapter? My understanding is that the Apple dongle (at least the one with the USB-C, HDMI, and USB-A ports) doesn't support resolutions that high...

I tried it while I had mine connected (HDMI via that dongle from a M1 MBA), and couldn't get full resolution even at 30Hz refresh rate - it wouldn't show it as an option.


Unfortunately, no luck on getting any more detailed output form the OSD.
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The OSD surprised me. This is the first monitor I've ever had that won't let you interact with the OSD unless a video signal is present on one of the ports. Without an active video signal, the monitor briefly says "No Cable", then "Power Saving", and immediately goes blank, even if you are pressing buttons on the control panel. And that little info window you posted is only shown when the monitor first syncs to the signal - there is basically nothing else available in the menus.


It's not all bad though - it does seem to be very quick to select and activate the input - something I can't say about my other monitors.


Note that the board came with no instructions on how to connect or wire things up, whatsoever.
I guessed the 'correct' orientation for the LCD power from the (sellers) jpeg below.

Thanks for that. I used your screen capture initially, then later (before I had powered it up), I also found another image in another seller's T18 listing, which shows the orientation more clearly:
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Curiously though, I found this image in a listing for the R1811, which shows a cable with the same non-symmetrical sequence of red and black wires, but plugged in 180-degrees rotated? 🤷‍♂️

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After two weeks of testing, and given that I cannot compare to other boards myself, I think the T18 is a decent solution. Some more notes:
- I had occasional dropouts. When my automated plant light turns on (same wall-outlet), it might trigger a reset and the board restarts. But this also happens with other screens — I should probably avoid these minisurges 😅.
- A bit more worriesome was one random shutdown after a few hours of use. Only a full power-cycle helped, disconnecting the power supply from the wall-outlet. I briefly checked the temps of the board and psu, both were warm to touch but not worse than a macbook under load. I think this might be due to the powerbrick. I will keep monitoring and might replace it for a spare magsafe, but since it only happened once its a low prio.

I unfortunately can report the same. I made it about 40 minutes or so, and the display "blinked". :(

I unplugged it and started checking my setup, since I was only bench testing without anything mounted. The display itself was warm, and the T18 PCB was generally warm across... but the power adapter was HOT! And when I say "hot", what I mean is that it was way too hot to hold onto - reflexes pull your hand away. :oops: The T18 PCB, in contrast, was not too hot to touch anywhere on the PCB or heatsink.

Sooo... I think it must draw more power than expected... either that, or the no-name power adapter is a poor design or isn't living up to its ratings. Once I have time, I think I'll measure the power draw at the wall - that will tell me if the system as a whole is within what the power supply should be rated at, and will give me a clue where the issue may be. Replacing the power supply wouldn't be a problem, but I would have to figure out the dimensions for the connector.

Also, if the power supply while sitting on a bench isn't up to the task of powering the monitor alone, I'm 100% certain it wouldn't be happy inside a monitor... nor would it be up to the task of charging a connected device via USB type C PD. 😬


The T18 firmware seems to have made a mess of button mapping. On the PCB, buttons are labeled “Menu Down Up Enter Power”, but the actual functions are “Power Back + − Enter”. (The +/− buttons moves menu selection down/up respectively, but, when used to adjust brightness etc, they increment/decrement the value, which is shown as the bar going up/down.)

I'm so glad you guys both posted about the button mappings being off. My unit arrived with the OSD language set to Chinese, and attempting to navigate the menus was a bit of an issue until I got my head wrapped around the control layout! 🤣
 
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do you think it’s safe to use it with type C? Is there an option to disable charging over it?
Not sure if it can be disabled via the menus - I don't have the panel connected right now to check...

I did post a link to the datasheet for the USB Type-C PD chip used on the board, theoretically there may be an "enable" pin or some kind of circuit modification that would defeat the PD at a hardware level?

I'm also not aware (haven't researched it) if there is any way to pass the USB-C connection through any other standard (DP?) as an intermediate such that the power delivery would be removed?


But to answer your question - see my above post - I certainly wouldn't try device charging with the factory power supply.
 

developeren

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Not sure if it can be disabled via the menus - I don't have the panel connected right now to check...

I did post a link to the datasheet for the USB Type-C PD chip used on the board, theoretically there may be an "enable" pin or some kind of circuit modification that would defeat the PD at a hardware level?

I'm also not aware (haven't researched it) if there is any way to pass the USB-C connection through any other standard (DP?) as an intermediate such that the power delivery would be removed?


But to answer your question - see my above post - I certainly wouldn't try device charging with the factory power supply.
I see, I feel like T19 will be a better choice than for the port longevity + finding a good quality PSU for it. However I really sick of trying to find a non-broken iMac for non-astronomical prices so kinda trying to find a way to buy the Kuycon G27X from Europe. Found the Dell and Philips variants you mentioned in your other post for great prices but they either have the purple hue or bad stability. What do you think?
 

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I'm also not aware (haven't researched it) if there is any way to pass the USB-C connection through any other standard (DP?) as an intermediate such that the power delivery would be removed?
If you were to purchase a Displayport to USB-C cable, then only video information would be transmitted. The T18 wouldn't be able to charge the laptop over Displayport as this wouldn't be a USB-C PD connection. It's unlikely that any USB data signals would be passed through either (although it's maybe possible that DP supports this?).

but the power adapter was HOT! And when I say "hot", what I mean is that it was way too hot to hold onto - reflexes pull your hand away. :oops: The T18 PCB, in contrast, was not too hot to touch anywhere on the PCB or heatsink.

With my R1811, I had similar issues with the stock PSU getting uncomfortably hot. For this reason, I believed it would've been a bad idea to cram it inside an unventilated monitor. I purchased a much higher-quality 3rd party power supply instead and I placed it outside the monitor chassis.
 

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A few more quick comments about the T18:
  • Despite being a 2014 panel, the image at first glance looked fantastic to me. I do also have a 2015 5K iMac, which I briefly had alongside the 2014 when they were both complete/functional iMacs, and the 2015 looked noticeably better to me. So once I have the 2014 display converted, I'll be interested to put them side-by-side again and see if that still holds true. I'll also have to see how the color profiles look, as I only have a few minutes of screen time with it, most of which was figuring out technical aspects of the connections, not critiquing the image quality.
  • Although I thought it was a good idea initially, I'm planning on removing the foam pad the seller attached to the rear of the PCB. The double-sided adhesive was clearly purposeful - not just a temporary shipping protection - but for actual installation, I think having air convection to the rear of the PCB will be helpful (or even necessary) for proper cooling of the PCB. Keeping the foam pad basically puts a blanket on one side of the PCB...
  • I had initially planned to create a custom PCB to place the button controls behind the USB slots... but given how little is available via the OSD menus, I may decide to just hide the buttons behind the RAM access panel and call it good. Perhaps the power button could be wired across to the iMac's original button, but I'm not anticipating needing to interact with the OSD menu very often (if at all) once the system is set up. I'll also want to check the power consumption, to see if there are any actual benefits to powering the monitor down, vs leaving it in standby / sleep mode.
  • The heat output of the power supply has me rethinking where it goes. If I find another supply that runs cool, internal mounting might still be OK - but if my initial test is what it is, then the power supply easily produces 2-3x the heat of the T18 itself. Keeping the power supply external might just reduce the internal heat load enough that a much smaller (and quieter) fan can be used to ventilate the monitor chassis. Still thinking about this one.
 

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If you were to purchase a Displayport to USB-C cable, then only video information would be transmitted. The T18 wouldn't be able to charge the laptop over Displayport as this wouldn't be a USB-C PD connection. It's unlikely that any USB data signals would be passed through either (although it's maybe possible that DP supports this?).

Thanks. Do you think USB-C to Displayport to USB-C is a viable route then, to have a single-cable no-PD solution on that USB-C port?

With my R1811, I had similar issues with the stock PSU getting uncomfortably hot. For this reason, I believed it would've been a bad idea to cram it inside an unventilated monitor. I purchased a much higher-quality 3rd party power supply instead and I placed it outside the monitor chassis.
Good to know. Did your new higher-quality power supply also run warm, or did it run cooler than the stock unit?
 

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Thanks. Do you think USB-C to Displayport to USB-C is a viable route then, to have a single-cable no-PD solution on that USB-C port?


Good to know. Did your new higher-quality power supply also run warm, or did it run cooler than the stock unit?
To clarify, I meant a single cable like this one, not a cable and a conversion dongle. My understanding is that since the T18 has DP 1.4, it should be able to transmit 5K 60Hz video without a problem. I haven't tested this myself, however, as I don't yet have a T18. This cable would not charge the laptop, but it would transmit video.

I wouldn't call it a single-cable solution, as you'd need separate cables for charging (and possibly USB). This limitation could be overcome by connecting several cables to an external Thunderbolt docking station, which in turn would connect to the laptop with a single USB-C cable. In my opinion, the extremely high cost of such a system (a few hundred dollars) is not really worth the time savings of plugging in a couple of cords.

My replacement PSU ran cooler than the original one. The tradeoff was that it was significantly larger in size. It has a much higher rating than the original one, which means it's not being pushed as hard. I went overboard and got a 192W 24V 8A model. I figured that if the laptop was drawing 65 watts by itself, I should have a lot of remaining overhead for the rest of the monitor circuitry. Something else I considered doing, but didn't try is getting some heatsinks like these with self-adhesive thermal pads. You could try sticking them to the outside of the external power supply.
 

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To clarify, I meant a single cable like this one, not a cable and a conversion dongle.
Oh, yes, I can confirm that that works well with the T18 - that's what I've used for my testing. I guess I was half way between you and @developeren - working through the USB-C options possible with the T18.

If a person didn't want/need USB-C, the T19 is probably a better choice than the T18.
 

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However I really sick of trying to find a non-broken iMac for non-astronomical prices so kinda trying to find a way to buy the Kuycon G27X from Europe. Found the Dell and Philips variants you mentioned in your other post for great prices but they either have the purple hue or bad stability. What do you think?

There are very few reviews or reports on the Kuycon - but on paper, as a package, it's tough to beat. Once you find an iMac, buy the tool to separate the display and the adhesive to put it back together, buy and wait for the conversion board, and put in all of your labor, the Kuycon could even be considered the cheaper choice. It just... doesn't have any long-term reviews... or reputable sellers...
 

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There are very few reviews or reports on the Kuycon - but on paper, as a package, it's tough to beat. Once you find an iMac, buy the tool to separate the display and the adhesive to put it back together, buy and wait for the conversion board, and put in all of your labor, the Kuycon could even be considered the cheaper choice. It just... doesn't have any long-term reviews... or reputable sellers...
Yep, I am kinda tired of this tbh. I absolutely can't stand unstable hardware (just very nitpicky about it) and the DIY monitor project is a bad deal to me unless I get the R1811 (only stable,one cable solution), which I don't want to since it has a fan and quite expensive. Older discontinued models are a pain the deal with and almost all of them has imagine retention issues after all these years. I will probably wait till either a good affordable (and stable) conversion board comes out or Kuycon starts shipping to EU. Really started to hate Apple even more ever since I got my M1 MBA, nothings works well and there is always someting really expensive to be bought. :(
 

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To clarify, I meant a single cable like this one, not a cable and a conversion dongle. My understanding is that since the T18 has DP 1.4, it should be able to transmit 5K 60Hz video without a problem. I haven't tested this myself, however, as I don't yet have a T18. This cable would not charge the laptop, but it would transmit video.

I wouldn't call it a single-cable solution, as you'd need separate cables for charging (and possibly USB). This limitation could be overcome by connecting several cables to an external Thunderbolt docking station, which in turn would connect to the laptop with a single USB-C cable. In my opinion, the extremely high cost of such a system (a few hundred dollars) is not really worth the time savings of plugging in a couple of cords.

My replacement PSU ran cooler than the original one. The tradeoff was that it was significantly larger in size. It has a much higher rating than the original one, which means it's not being pushed as hard. I went overboard and got a 192W 24V 8A model. I figured that if the laptop was drawing 65 watts by itself, I should have a lot of remaining overhead for the rest of the monitor circuitry. Something else I considered doing, but didn't try is getting some heatsinks like these with self-adhesive thermal pads. You could try sticking them to the outside of the external power supply.
Do you have any connection/flickering issues with the better PSU?
 

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Do you have any connection/flickering issues with the better PSU?
I never had any flickering issues with my R1811. It is plugged into a surge protector/UPS, so maybe that helped? I did have some minor quirks that were resolved by using a better PSU. Personally, I prioritized keeping temperatures low over cramming as much functionality as possible inside the iMac chassis. The upgraded PSU was huge, and I don't think it would have fit internally without modifications.

I did have some connection issues where it occasionally wouldn't detect that the laptop was plugged in. These were sporadic, and the monitor would often work flawlessly for weeks. The reliable solution was always to just unplug the AC cable and plug it back in.

My experience with the R1811 is that while it generally worked pretty well, there were always tiny quirks with it. If you want closer to perfection, you'll probably have to buy an Apple Studio Display to get it. Since I had already decommissioned my 2014 5K iMac, I was very happy to get some more use out of it, especially for about $300, and for the most part, I am willing to ignore the monitor's minor quirks for $1000+ savings.

Unfortunately, my R1811 is out of commission at the moment as the LED backlight driver is shorted out. Yesterday, I ordered a T18 as a replacement in hopes that it would have fewer quirks for me, but it has yet to arrive. Hopefully, if I figure out how to fix the R1811's backlight, then I'll end up with dual 5K displays. :)
 
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I never had any flickering issues with my R1811. It is plugged into a surge protector/UPS, so maybe that helped? I did have some minor quirks that were resolved by using a better PSU. Personally, I prioritized keeping temperatures low over cramming as much functionality as possible inside the iMac chassis. The upgraded PSU was huge, and I don't think it would have fit internally without modifications.

I did have some connection issues where it occasionally wouldn't detect that the laptop was plugged in. These were sporadic, and the monitor would often work flawlessly for weeks. The reliable solution was always to just unplug the AC cable and plug it back in.

My experience with the R1811 is that while it generally worked pretty well, there were always tiny quirks with it. If you want closer to perfection, you'll probably have to buy an Apple Studio Display to get it. Since I had already decommissioned my 2014 5K iMac, I was very happy to get some more use out of it, especially for about $300, and for the most part, I am willing to ignore the monitor's minor quirks for $1000+ savings.

Unfortunately, my R1811 is out of commission at the moment as the LED backlight driver is shorted out. Yesterday, I ordered a T18 as a replacement in hopes that it would have fewer quirks for me, but it has yet to arrive. Hopefully, if I figure out how to fix the R1811's backlight, then I'll end up with dual 5K displays. :)
Well, please keep us updated then. Maybe it was the surge protection all along :D
 

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Ok, some quick power consumption measurements. These were taken with a P3 P4400 "Kill A Watt" meter, and the provided no-name 19V 4.74A power adapter. This is with the T18, on a 2014 5K iMac panel, with no supplementary backlight driver board.

Power adapter alone (unplugged from the T18): <1W
Display connected but in sleep (no backlight, red LED lit on the button board): <1W
Display on (0% backlight brightness, which is still "on" and visible, just low): 25W
Display on (50% backlight brightness, the default value): 72W
Display on (100% backlight brightness): 82W

So, given that the original power adapter is only rated at 90W, there's not really a lot of overhead there...

I'd be curious to hear power consumption figures for other converted displays, if anyone has the ability to measure theirs. Sleep, 0%, 50%, and 100% backlight would be great.
 

i486dx2-66

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Aw rats.

I've been doing a test with another power supply - a 19V 3.42A (65W) LITE-ON, which is the closest I had with the same connector... Display backlight brightness is set to 35% so that power consumption is 55W... Power supply itself is only moderately warm.... and 25-30 mins in, the display blinked a few times again. :(
 

PaulD-UK

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Quote: I'd be curious to hear power consumption figures for other converted displays.
Sleep, 0%, 50%, and 100% backlight.


OK. For my R1811 setup see post #489 on page 20 of this thread.
Disabling Monitor Control is necessary as it confuses the settings.
The R1811's Brightness and Contrast setting have no influence over the monitor's power consumption.

My main fan runs constantly when the monitor is powered and its power consumption is 3.3w.
This is the background power requirement when the R!811 is off. (The R1811's fan is off below 35º C).

When I power up the R1811 into Standby mode with the M1 Mac mini off (red LED) the power requirements are 9w for about 5 seconds, then it rises to 22.5w. (Deducting the 3.3w fan power this is ~6/19w)

EDIT: I realise that this means that the Standby power requirement when the computer is connected but Sleeping is 9w (~6w true value), but if the computer is powered Off, then the R1811 is no longer held in Standby mode, and reverts to a board-powered state (with backlight off) requiring ~19w power.

FURTHER EDIT:
When my Mac
mini M1 is put into Sleep Mode (or shutdown) the R1811 powers down to 9 watts until the screen displays the message "Power Save mode in 1 min: with a progress bar.
Whilst this bar is progressing the power consumption is 21 watts.
Once the minute is up the monitor goes totally black, and the 'sleeping' R1811 drops down to <1 watt.
So once asleep it has negligible power consumtion.

Waking the Mac mini up brings the monitor to bring fully awake after a second or two, with no lag.


Switching on the computer (green LED) the total power requirements (including fan) are:

Backlight 0%: 22.5w (same as with R1811 on Standby with connected computer Off).
Backlight 50%: 33w.
Backlight 100%: 52.5w.
Backlight 62%: 37w. This is the setting that I use for reading web pages or writing text.
Viewing Hollywood movies (shot in HDR) requires more backlight, but text pages are much too bright for me at more than ~ 65%.
The inbuilt audio chip adds up to another 7w power consumption if I turn the iMac Pro speakers which I have fitted up to screen-rattling level!!!

My PSU doesn't even get warm enough to trigger the PWM fan controller - which is set to 45ºC to speed up the fan.

If your PSU is getting too hot, then I would suspect that its a lack of Power Factor Correction.
My PSU has active electronic PFC, which reduces its mains power requirements and makes it more efficient.

My setup, controlled by Monitor Control and eqMac, has been running faultlessly since the start of April, used many hours each day. I'm very happy :)
 
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i486dx2-66

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Quite a high standby power 🤨
@PaulD-UK's results are just interesting across the board, to be honest. Much higher standby, much lower full brightness.

The standby difference with the computer off vs sleeping is odd- just hits a corner case (or bug?) in the firmware I suppose. I'll have to try those tests on mine. I also didn't think to include the audio system in my power budget calculations, so it would be good to leave some power supply overhead for that as well.

Does anyone know if the power consumption is different for the 2014, 2015, and 2017+ panel types? (And also, if the iMac Pro (like what @PaulD-UK is using) panel was any different from the standard 5K iMac of the time?)
 

developeren

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@PaulD-UK's results are just interesting across the board, to be honest. Much higher standby, much lower full brightness.

The standby difference with the computer off vs sleeping is odd- just hits a corner case (or bug?) in the firmware I suppose. I'll have to try those tests on mine. I also didn't think to include the audio system in my power budget calculations, so it would be good to leave some power supply overhead for that as well.

Does anyone know if the power consumption is different for the 2014, 2015, and 2017+ panel types? (And also, if the iMac Pro (like what @PaulD-UK is using) panel was any different from the standard 5K iMac of the time?)
I am pretty sure all +2017 models use the same panel (iMac Pro included), only thing that changes in the model numbers are the revision digits. IDK about the power consumption though, I can’t wait for PaulD’s results with T18, i really want to see what makes his setup that stable.
 
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