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Roxy.music

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Ha my thoughts exactly but that's exactly what a lot of Windows users have been trying to do over several years, which is stupid IMO.
I didn,t buy a Mac to run Windows on it ,i just thought i would try it anyway,and like i said earlier i got it so i could do some gamming.
 

BigMcGuire

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Just looked it up i never heard of it before. :eek:

I use Shadow Boost for my Windows gaming. (WoW, Starcraft, AOE II HD, etc). It works fairly well. I only have the boost because Infinite isn't available for California until February I think ... but I've used it for a year now and ... it has worked.


While I run Windows 10 Pro on Parallels for my work. I couldn't get smart cards to work across to my Shadow instance - but I haven't tried for awhile - I just use Parallels because it works fairly well with our 40,000+ file VS 2019 project. Yeah it isn't the same as native but it's close - with an EGPU.

I sold my windows gaming desktop last year and replaced it with Shadow Cloud. I went from a 2017 MBP to a 2020 MBP (Intel i7 32GB) last year as well and the difference with W10 on Parallels was night and day for me. (I use a Sonnet EGPU with an RX 580).

I'd definitely miss my Intel MBP. My work provided laptop is slower than dirt and can't even keep up with my typing on Teams. That and I prefer Mac OS - being able to iMessage without having to pick up another device is so nice.
 
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James_C

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I don't miss being able to run Windows on my M1. I used to have a copy of Parallels to run windows in the past as the Mac Version of Excel used to run like a dog on MacOS. Happily the Mac version of Excel is now multi threaded and the performance is much better.
 

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I didn,t buy a Mac to run Windows on it ,i just thought i would try it anyway,and like i said earlier i got it so i could do some gamming.
I wasn't referring to you OP I was just answering the question of the member that replied me. But it's true that your thread title (based on your uses) is misleading. If a person is using Windows to run one non-Mac application then they wouldn't be missing Windows per say but rather missing the ability to run a select Windows program. I've had Intel Macs since the first one and I can't remember a day when I installed Windows to use it for anything. I tried it once years back and found no use for it especially since I don't care for Windows at all.

Also I'm not in the habit of correcting people but you misspelled the same word twice. The word is Gaming, not Gamming with two m's.
 
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If you miss running Windows then you're buying the wrong computer. Macs should be running only MacOS. That's what they are designed for. Bootcamp back in the day was when Apple needed to get Macs into more people's hands. Today it's commonplace to own a Mac and Apple no longer needs to cater to the small demographic that wants to run Windows. There are plenty of Windows machines on the market with many choice configurations. I do not understand this argument because if anyone misses running Windows on their Mac then they weren't using MacOS very much in the first place.

That is a stern and merciless argument, I almost feel I should turn myself in for political re-education and/or extermination. Let me say why I run Windows courtesy of parallels on my iMac. Yes I know this thread is in the M1 forum section but the sentence ‘Macs should be running only MacOS’ drew me in. I run Windows solely so I can use Macromedia Fireworks, which is long discontinued and entirely obsolete but I know and like it, and because I slightly prefer Word in Windows to the Mac builds. I’m a customer and the customer is always right. I give you good day, sir. 😊
 

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That is a stern and merciless argument, I almost feel I should turn myself in for political re-education and/or extermination. Let me say why I run Windows courtesy of parallels on my iMac. Yes I know this thread is in the M1 forum section but the sentence ‘Macs should be running only MacOS’ drew me in. I run Windows solely so I can use Macromedia Fireworks, which is long discontinued and entirely obsolete but I know and like it, and because I slightly prefer Word in Windows to the Mac builds. I’m a customer and the customer is always right. I give you good day, sir. 😊
Nice. Great for you...
 

Roxy.music

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I wasn't referring to you OP I was just answering the question of the member that replied me. But it's true that your thread title (based on your uses) is misleading. If a person is using Windows to run one non-Mac application then they wouldn't be missing Windows per say but rather missing the ability to run a select Windows program. I've had Intel Macs since the first one and I can't remember a day when I installed Windows to use it for anything. I tried it once years back and found no use for it especially since I don't care for Windows at all.

Also I'm not in the habit of correcting people but you misspelled the same word twice. The word is Gaming, not Gamming with two m's.
Spelling isnt my striong point but you still no what i mean. :(
 

Roxy.music

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That is a stern and merciless argument, I almost feel I should turn myself in for political re-education and/or extermination. Let me say why I run Windows courtesy of parallels on my iMac. Yes I know this thread is in the M1 forum section but the sentence ‘Macs should be running only MacOS’ drew me in. I run Windows solely so I can use Macromedia Fireworks, which is long discontinued and entirely obsolete but I know and like it, and because I slightly prefer Word in Windows to the Mac builds. I’m a customer and the customer is always right. I give you good day, sir.
Good for you.:)There will be quite a few people who will miss it .
But this being a forum about M1 Mac.s it is to be exspected that you want miss Windows on your Mac.
 
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Maconplasma

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Spelling isnt my striong point but you still no what i mean. :(
Not sure why this is your handicap but I did know what you meant which is why I didn't correct you in your first post towards me but please try and work on that since the forum is reading your post as you also have multiple misspellings in this post too. Odd because Macs have the spell checker active as you type. Since you say your Windows use is for gaming I would recommend to edit your title (if possible) to something like, "How Many of you miss certain applications on the M1 Mac that you enjoy under Windows?". Like I said earlier if a person is "Missing Windows" after buying the M1 Mac then they should've bought a Windows laptop because Apple has never designed Macs for Windows to be used as the primary OS.
 
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m1maverick

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If you miss running Windows then you're buying the wrong computer. Macs should be running only MacOS. That's what they are designed for. Bootcamp back in the day was when Apple needed to get Macs into more people's hands. Today it's commonplace to own a Mac and Apple no longer needs to cater to the small demographic that wants to run Windows. There are plenty of Windows machines on the market with many choice configurations. I do not understand this argument because if anyone misses running Windows on their Mac then they weren't using MacOS very much in the first place.
It's been my observation that many people ran Macs because they could run Mac OS and Windows., especially in a business environment. That was a major appeal for Macs...they could run both. With the release of the AS Macs that, at least for the moment, is no longer possible (at least not natively). This may diminish the value of Macintosh for those who need to do both. Time will tell.
 
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EDF

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Do you miss not being able to run Windows on your M1 Mac? i don,t mean running a Virtual on there.After many trys of getting Windows on a external drive i decided to try once again.As soon i did the updates on it it went back into m Mac .I thought i would try making that the main drive to boot ,needles to say i had the useal problems about my machne haveing problems to start up.So i tried all the stuff they give you to get it starting again i went for the one about removing the files that went to 3% and got stuck there so i tried once more and it said prepairing that worked after a few minutes i did the non stop updates that Windows does and crossed my fingers to hope it works so far so good.How long i don,t know.Never had much luck getting a external Windows drive on my 2017 5k iMac.I had no problem with having one on my 2012 Mac Mini.I dare say there are quite a few of you who still have a Intel Mac.As well as the M1 Mac.
I setup my Windows laptop with RDP. Downloaded RDP and it works perfect for when I'm at home.
 

DeanL

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There are plenty of Windows machines on the market with many choice configurations. I do not understand this argument because if anyone misses running Windows on their Mac then they weren't using MacOS very much in the first place.
Has it ever crossed your mind that people might not want to have two computers?
Boot Camp for Apple Silicon will come. If Apple had not intention of it, they would have not translated the Boot Camp Assistant, which is on M1 Macs.
 
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jdb8167

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Has it ever crossed your mind that people might not want to have to computers?
Boot Camp for Apple Silicon will come. If Apple had not intention of it, they would have not translated the Boot Camp Assistant, which is on M1 Macs.
Or Boot Camp Assistant is just a placeholder to let users know that it doesn't work on M1 Macs. You can't infer anything from the fact that the old Boot Camp Assistant is still installed. Translation could literally be a single window with the error--not a lot of effort.
 
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DeanL

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You can't infer anything from the fact that the old Boot Camp Assistant is still installed.
That would be true if the app didn't weight the same thing as on my old Intel Mac and if the app package only had that message, but instead it's the full app. This website is literally called "MacRumors". This thread is 100% speculation so please go away with your "you can't infer anything".
 

jdb8167

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That would be true if the app didn't weight the same thing as on my old Intel Mac and if the app package only had that message, but instead it's the full app. This website is literally called "MacRumors". This thread is 100% speculation so please go away with your "you can't infer anything".
How do you know it is the full app? Just because the binary is the same size doesn't mean much. The minimum work would be to just compile with a simple ifdef for arch=arm64 to display an error. There is no information unless you've reverse engineered it. Show your work.
 
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Maconplasma

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Has it ever crossed your mind that people might not want to have to computers?
Then what's the point of this discussion...or even the point of Macrumors if people might not want to have computers? You make no sense here. Not even sure why you said this?

AH EDIT: You misspelled a word. Totally changes the entire sentence. Please proofread before you post?
Furthermore many people have more than one computer. Secondly what do you think people were doing when they wanted to a Mac and still wanted to use Windows before Intel Macs? They bought a second machine.
Boot Camp for Apple Silicon will come.
Until official word from Apple this is vapor talk. Also when did I say that Apple wasn't going to create Bootcamp for Apple silicon? 🙄
If Apple had not intention of it, they would have not translated the Boot Camp Assistant, which is on M1 Macs.
I never said Apple had no intention of Bootcamp. You're creating a lot of words that were never stated by me. I said Apple never designed Macs to run Windows as the primary OS, especially since they have their own OS. Bootcamp was a bridge for Intel Macs so Windows users could easily switch. Time has passed and it's not a priority anymore. Furthermore it's up to Microsoft if this is going to happen.
 
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Maconplasma

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It's been my observation that many people ran Macs because they could run Mac OS and Windows., especially in a business environment. That was a major appeal for Macs...they could run both.
You haven't been a Mac user for very long, or at least you've only followed them since Apple began creating Intel Macs which was back in 2006. Several years before that Macs have always enjoyed success in the arts as they do today and they didn't run Windows. Recording artists, DJ's and movie studios have used Macs exclusively and they were not capable of running Windows at the time.
With the release of the AS Macs that, at least for the moment, is no longer possible (at least not natively). This may diminish the value of Macintosh for those who need to do both. Time will tell.
Haha, that's hilarious!! Not gonna happen. Time has passed and it's commonplace to have a Mac running MacOS. No point in Apple making computers at all if the world can only live on Windows, because I hope you understand that's exactly what you're saying?
 

DeanL

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Secondly what do you think people were doing when they wanted to a Mac and still wanted to use Windows before Intel Macs? They bought a second machine.
Are we before Intel Macs or after? It's not because people needed two computers back then that they liked it.
In fact my comment, besides the typo, was pretty clear about it being a preference: "[...]might not want to have two computers?"
So what people did before Intel Macs is irrelevant for the purpose of my comment.
Until official word from Apple this is vapor talk. Also when did I say that Apple wasn't going to create Bootcamp for Apple silicon? 🙄

I never said Apple had no intention of Bootcamp. You're creating a lot of words that were never stated by me.
... When did I say you said that?
Has it ever crossed your mind that people might not want to have two computers?
Boot Camp for Apple Silicon will come. If Apple had not intention of it, they would have not translated the Boot Camp Assistant, which is on M1 Macs.
I was just stating that I think Boot Camp for Apple Silicon will come. Not sure how you read in whatever you read into that...
 

DeanL

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How do you know it is the full app? Just because the binary is the same size doesn't mean much. The minimum work would be to just compile with a simple ifdef for arch=arm64 to display an error. There is no information unless you've reverse engineered it. Show your work.
Fair.
But the fact that Boot Camp *seems* to be there (I really don't see Apple leaving a placeholder Boot Camp just to tell people it's not compatible with M1 Macs, and as much as I haven't proven it has been fully ported, you haven't proven it hasn't) coupled with Craig Federighi's comments seem to indicate that Apple is ready to let Windows run natively but is just waiting for Microsoft to licence Windows ARM.
 
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gmwalk

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Let's see: Apple made this wonderful souffle called M1; "Who wants to put chessewhiz on it!"
 

/V\acpower

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While this is true for normal consumers, as a developer, I disagree. When you are developing a cross-platform product, you *need* to have all three OSes running on the same computer. The Mac was very nice for this. But Windows ARM is certainly coming with Parallels. No worries here.
Will Windows ARM solve the issue ? You still won't be able to test x86 x64 Windows app natively on these machines.
 
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Project Alice

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I don’t have an M1 Mac, but I can relate. I have many PowerPC Macs, and I used Macs during the Intel transition.
At the time, I thought it was super cool. But I didn’t like Windows and I still don’t. I use it for once singular purpose; gaming. My Mac Pro 5,1 is actually a pretty decent gaming machine under Windows. Unfortunately not many devs release games I care about on Mac. I plan on eventually getting an M1 MacBook (or some other Apple silicon chip at the time). It will probably not be used for anything other than light gaming, and eventually I’ll just build another PC for that purpose.

I didn’t miss running Windows one bit in the PPC days, and I won’t now. I liked Macs doe their uniqueness “Think Different.”. Intel Macs didn’t really do that. They were good hardware, but IMO they became pretty PCs without Apple logo’s and support for the OS.
 
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