I quit running Windows via Boot Camp years ago. I got tired of the fans running at 110% the moment my mac loaded the Windows desktop. When I need to run Windows on my Macs, I do so via Parallels or VMWare now.
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Do you miss not being able to run Windows on your M1 Mac?
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I have been a Mac user since 1990 with the acquisition of an LC II. Well before Apple switched to using Intel processors. Based on this I can say that the Macintoshes popularity was not what it has become due to the switch to Intel processors.
While time has passed and the Macintosh has gained in popularity it will be interesting to see if it can maintain that momentum without native Windows, along with the corresponding applications, support. Many Mac users need Windows support, especially in a business environment. Is this a guaranteed outcome? Certainly not, it's my opinion. An opinion formed through 31 years of Mac use.
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Hold on Cowboy-gals, i thought the M1 was supporting windows- according to that "event" i witnessed Nov 17th. They even had a rosetta stone or parallels software and a brief 4 second video blurb on how marvelous windows works on the M1 MacBook.
Not that i will lose sleep over this, or even use windows on a mac, i just know what i seen.
Not that i will lose sleep over this, or even use windows on a mac, i just know what i seen.
I think the harsh reality is that those who need Windows apps are going to have to buy a Windows PC. That doesn't mean you have to give up your Mac, far from it. People seem to have an "all or nothing" attitude to these things sometimes. But many people who also ran Windows on their Mac in the past are going to have to get with the programme and run a separate PC as well.
While Windows on ARM has an ability to emulate x86/64 apps, it's a clunky approach that is a pain for professional use on a daily basis. Plus, those x86 apps won't be native which is no good for critical testing.
Apple decided to make this change, for the good of their customers or not. As Mac users, we have to just accept that this is the way it is now – Apple is now a fully proprietary platform and it's probably only a matter of time before even Mac programs can only be installed via an App Store.
While Windows on ARM has an ability to emulate x86/64 apps, it's a clunky approach that is a pain for professional use on a daily basis. Plus, those x86 apps won't be native which is no good for critical testing.
Apple decided to make this change, for the good of their customers or not. As Mac users, we have to just accept that this is the way it is now – Apple is now a fully proprietary platform and it's probably only a matter of time before even Mac programs can only be installed via an App Store.
Like I said based on your post you're suggesting that we don't need anything but Windows to run the world. You don't need a Mac if you have that type of mentality. Seriously.
What event was on Nov 17th?
The M1 launch event was Nov 10th. Video is here: Apple Events - November 2020 - Apple
I don't recall anything suggesting Microsoft Windows was functioning on M1 macs. There may have been mention of Parallels & VMware working on their virtualization environments, but that wouldn't necessarily mean Windows was functional. Perhaps you could review the video and post the time stamp where MS Windows is mentioned?
What I am saying is a lot of Mac users need the ability to run Windows applications. As the Intel Macintoshes could natively run Windows in addition to macOS there was little risk in buying one. You got the best of both worlds. With the Apple Silicon (AS) Macs the ability to natively run Windows (and its associated applications) is in question. Therefore it may no longer be the safe choice it once was.
This may not apply to you or other participants in this forum. It's not unexpected to see participants on a Macintosh site posting they do not need to run Windows (though I would throw out a wild guess and say at least 50% of them do in some form or another). However the composition of users of this site does not reflect the entire world.
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Your last thought was not one that had occurred to me, and I suspect you are right.
My last Windows machine was a state of the art (for the time) Intel quad core gaming rig with a very high end Nvidia graphics card, about 8 zillion fans, plenty of RAM, and a more than sufficient power supply. On the later versions of Windows 7, which it was far more than capable (on paper) of running smoothly, it started taking almost 3 full minutes to boot to desktop, even after a fresh install of Windows. Around that same time my Xbox 360 also got its first RRoD. After that I fired all Microsoft hardware and software from my house and haven't willingly used anything by Microsoft since other than when I was forced at work to use a Windows laptop for a few years.
So no, I don't mind not having Windows either on my M1 Macbook or in general. Windows 7 was the last good Windows build in my opinion, and even that started running like a dog later on in its life.
So no, I don't mind not having Windows either on my M1 Macbook or in general. Windows 7 was the last good Windows build in my opinion, and even that started running like a dog later on in its life.
I personally am extremely happy I am back on the macOS platform, and not forced to use windows at all, either for personal use or my job. windows temperament issues made having to work from home much much more difficult. at least when we were working in the office before this alleged pandemic crisis, when the windows computer gave me fits, I would get up and either go downstairs for a smoke break or one of the many Starbucks breaks for the day. being forced to work from home, and the nearest Starbucks is either a 5 minute drive or 20 minute walk, all I could do is walk away from the misbehaving windows laptop for 5 minutes for a smoke break and ended up smoking way too much triggering the asthma I do not take medication for or have followed up on by having a physical examination, and since Wednesday January 6 of this year, when I got my 2015 MacBook Air, and using it for my job, I am actually able to tolerate working from home alone, and actually get work done, and only use my vape instead of smoking cigarettes to trigger the asthma.
hopefully I never have to be on the Microsoft Windows platform ever again, Apple just works!
Right! Not sure why you regurgitated what I already said about your previous post. In your thinking the world doesn't need Macs but rather only needs Windows. You don't need a Mac according to your thinking. Not sure why you'd even consider one with your way of thinking. You only need a Windows PC. I've been a Mac user for almost 30 years and I work in a corporate environment. Not once have I needed to use Windows on my Mac, so don't say A LOT OF MAC USERS unless you have concrete proof of this.
OK, here you go:
Parallels: Mac & Windows Virtualization, Remote Application Server, Mac Management Solutions
"Over 7 Million Users and Praised by Experts"
That's just one solution to running Windows on a Mac. You may not need it but a lot of people do.
Uh isn't this thread about running Bootcamp? Yeah, thanks....LMAO gives me a link to the Parallels website. ?
Maybe if you took the time and read my other posts I'm not here to try and prove anything as some others here are trying to prove that the world needs Macs running Windows. I've stated (and stand by it) that Apple does not create Macs to run Windows as the primary OS. That's why they create their own OS. Some people arguing over and over just have to deal with it that Apple is moving on and if Microsoft decides it's okay to install Windows and Apple wants to continue supporting Bootcamp then so be it, but people running Windows on Macs is a much smaller demographic than others here care to admit. Furthermore I'd rather see Apple putting forth more resources into MacOS and their computers rather than wasting time on a niche crowd of Windows users.
The subject of this thread is irrelevant. I said:
"What I am saying is a lot of Mac users need the ability to run Windows applications."
To which you asked for proof. The link I provided provides the proof you requested.
That said the threads title is:
"Do you miss not being able to run Windows on your M1 Mac?"
No where do I see the title constricting how the users are supposed to be running Windows.
Boot Camp is dead for all intents and purposes, as Apple has made it clear that virtualization is the path going forward. What we have seen based on multiple reports and reviews is that running Windows on Arm (WoA) via either the Parallels preview or QEMU is actually faster than running WoA natively on the Surface Pro X. This indicates that Boot Camp is not needed at all for those users wanting to run Windows applications on an M1 Mac. The roadblock preventing wider adoption of WoA is Microsoft - specifically its licensing restrictions for WoA (which limits its availability to OEMs building ARM-based systems specifically to run Windows). Apple has openly stated that the M1 and Big Sur can handle WoA without any issue, but that actual implementation is "up to Microsoft."
The other thing is that Microsoft is in the process of updating WoA to better handle both 32 and 64-bit applications, which will alleviate many of the frustrations people have with the OS currently. If Microsoft changes the licensing and opens up WoA to end users, that change coupled with the internal changes to address 32/64-bit interoperability could alleviate the few remaining obstacles for the small number of Boot Camp users to make the switch to Apple Silicon.
The other thing is that Microsoft is in the process of updating WoA to better handle both 32 and 64-bit applications, which will alleviate many of the frustrations people have with the OS currently. If Microsoft changes the licensing and opens up WoA to end users, that change coupled with the internal changes to address 32/64-bit interoperability could alleviate the few remaining obstacles for the small number of Boot Camp users to make the switch to Apple Silicon.
Not at all personally
BUT
I use my 2016 no Touch Bar 13" MBP for Windows 10.
Never wanted it on another machine even when I had the early 2020 i5 Air
Not going to pretend my use case is everyone's (that they have two machines, one already with Windows, etc)
BUT
I use my 2016 no Touch Bar 13" MBP for Windows 10.
Never wanted it on another machine even when I had the early 2020 i5 Air
Not going to pretend my use case is everyone's (that they have two machines, one already with Windows, etc)
That ?? is ?? not ??true
Craig Federighi literally said Apple Silicon can run Windows natively provided Microsoft licences it.
Craig Federighi says Windows can run natively on M1 Macs but is 'really up to Microsoft' - 9to5Mac
While the transition to Apple Silicon has been impressively smooth overall for the first M1 Macs, a big lingering question...
9to5mac.com
i was never good at typing exact date, and remembering i was never good at typing exact dates.
I purchased a Dell XPS for work in 2019 due to the windows environment.
In the 1990's, I always thought irrelevant a digital concept or graphic idea or thought was processed into a final product by what type of computer, operating system or platform was used to finish the product.
Until i knew how deceitful google is-was which will never be used in any of my devices.
And where to for Winclone?The writing is on the wall for it.
The guy who runs it seems a genuine person Tim that is.
The stuff I read from reviews and reading the posts on their forum nothing seems to work it.s not worked for me.
I have read reviews about Bluetooth cutting out continuously on the M1 Mac,s have any of you had that problem?This is the absolute BEST M1 Mac accessory
The guy who runs it seems a genuine person Tim that is.
The stuff I read from reviews and reading the posts on their forum nothing seems to work it.s not worked for me.
I have read reviews about Bluetooth cutting out continuously on the M1 Mac,s have any of you had that problem?This is the absolute BEST M1 Mac accessory
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it may not be perfect, but its my understanding there are virtual environments in beta that work on M1 for basic needs
right?
right?
On my old 13'' Pro 2015 I used to run Bootcamp because of single game but I didn't like it and neither did Apple given the trackpad, power management and fan control seemed a second thought. Parallels worked fine and pratical if just need to run some lightweight apps twice a month, I wouldn't like to have it open all the time. Apple developing a framework for as close as possible bare-metal hypervisor on MacOS would be great though unlikely.
Since x86 world is not coming back to Windows on Mac beyond the emulations from WoA I don't know if it's on Apple greater interest to run it native. How many developers will take the time to develop a native WoA version for their app and have no interest whatsoever on also getting it to MacOS. I'd expect that ARM migration is lead by MacOS first with native WoA version coming at the same time or after. An app as DaVinci Resolve even lack a target on ARM PC world.
Since x86 world is not coming back to Windows on Mac beyond the emulations from WoA I don't know if it's on Apple greater interest to run it native. How many developers will take the time to develop a native WoA version for their app and have no interest whatsoever on also getting it to MacOS. I'd expect that ARM migration is lead by MacOS first with native WoA version coming at the same time or after. An app as DaVinci Resolve even lack a target on ARM PC world.