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Are you going to switch?

  • Yes

    Votes: 92 24.8%
  • No, staying with iPhone

    Votes: 175 47.2%
  • No, I'll go with another platform

    Votes: 3 0.8%
  • Considering it

    Votes: 101 27.2%

  • Total voters
    371

jamezr

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I certainly think IOS 11 battery life is worse. Not by a massive amount but enough where I needed to charge at 7pm where normally I don’t need to wait till at least 9-10.
I noticed that as well on my 7+ on IOS 11. Not much of a difference but a difference. Funny because last year when I first got my 7+ i could almost go 1.5 days between charges. Now a year later and I can't make it through a day without a charge.
 
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widgeteer

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Sorry, guys. No matter how hard you try, you're not going to sell the idea that Apple making its update available to its devices simultaneously without carrier interference is a negative. A lot of you are trying to mix and match arguments about the merit of the OS's features vs the act of updating. Two separate stories.

iOS is superior to Android when it comes to updates. That's not really even up for debate. All the anecdotal my-iPhone-3G-was-bricked stories don't change that.

Once again we're back at the same old, same old: whichever OS works for you is the better OS.
 

epicrayban

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Kudos to Apple. The iPhone 8 camera recaptures the top Dxo score. I still think the iPhone 8 is a worthy upgrade, with its perfected back design and additional features like wireless charging and the upgraded cameras. It's only marred by its supremely dated front design.

I can't imagine what the iPhone X camera score is going to be. Samsung will need to keep up, as well as Google, who doesn't look like they'll have dual cameras ready until the Pixel 3.
 
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The Game 161

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Could be scary how good the iphone x camera will be if the 8 plus for example is even better. Just the design that is outdated with the features it's as good as any phone out there overall.
 
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jamezr

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Kudos to Apple. The iPhone 8 camera recaptures the top Dxo score. I still think the iPhone 8 is a worthy upgrade, with its perfected back design and additional features like wireless charging and the upgraded cameras. It's only marred by its supremely dated front design.

I can't imagine what the iPhone X camera score is going to be. Samsung will need to keep up, as well as Google, who doesn't look like they'll have dual cameras ready until the Pixel 3.
I saw that today too. But they haven't tested the Note 8 or V30 or iPhone X yet....
 
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epicrayban

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Could be scary how good the iphone x camera will be if the 8 plus for example is even better. Just the design that is outdated with the features it's as good as any phone out there overall.

I think I can confidently say this now, too, where I couldn't before about the iPhone 6S or 7. The added features of the 8, along with the improvement of the design, extra storage, the speakers, regaining the camera crown... These things all matter. Wireless charging will matter.

It's a great option in the smartphone space.
It may not be the best and you have to afford the premium pricing, but it's a far more competitive device than the previous iPhone ever was in the smartphone landscape then. As I said, the only glaring flaw is the painfully outdated front panel, and the shadow of the iPhone X.
 

widgeteer

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Kudos to Apple. The iPhone 8 camera recaptures the top Dxo score. I still think the iPhone 8 is a worthy upgrade, with its perfected back design and additional features like wireless charging and the upgraded cameras. It's only marred by its supremely dated front design.

I can't imagine what the iPhone X camera score is going to be. Samsung will need to keep up, as well as Google, who doesn't look like they'll have dual cameras ready until the Pixel 3.

Unless I missed something, I thought the X's camera was identical to the 8's save for OIS on both lenses?
 

tbayrgs

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Unless I missed something, I thought the X's camera was identical to the 8's save for OIS on both lenses?

Telephoto sensor is different on the X—f2.4 with OIS vs. f2.8 and no OIS on the 8 Plus.

Played with the new 8 Plus a bit today—the portrait lighting features are actually pretty cool, saw some stunning shots taken using the ‘spotlight’ mode.

I’d still rather have the wide angle lens of the V30 but nice to see the camera has improved a bit.
 

spinedoc77

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Jun 11, 2009
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What's the deal with AR? I was playing around with it a bit today on my 7+, stuff seems to run fine on it. I looked up the "best" games and apps on google and downloaded a bunch of stuff. I must say I'm quite unimpressed. Everyone says this is the more of the future than VR is, but VR is much much more fun IMO, at least for games. Some of the apps seemed like they had promise, but didn't work well such as the measuring apps. The Ikea app was ok. It just seemed like much more hype than anything else.
 
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Puddled

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Kudos to Apple. The iPhone 8 camera recaptures the top Dxo score. I still think the iPhone 8 is a worthy upgrade, with its perfected back design and additional features like wireless charging and the upgraded cameras. It's only marred by its supremely dated front design.

I can't imagine what the iPhone X camera score is going to be. Samsung will need to keep up, as well as Google, who doesn't look like they'll have dual cameras ready until the Pixel 3.

The IP8 will be a very solid phone but its a really OLD design. The screen and chassis just dont cut it.

There is no reason to "upgrade" from a 6 s or 7 to the 8.
If you just want the latest tech, you are goung to wait for the X.
If you just need a new phone you are going to look to the 6s or 7 because of price. In fact the 6s is going to cost you €540, the 7, €650, the 8, €830

If you need a new phone, why bother with the expensive 8?

Its a phone i really dont understand.
 
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The Game 161

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The IP8 will be a very solid phone but its a really OLD design. The screen and chassis just dont cut it.

There is no reason to "upgrade" from a 6 or 7 to the 8.
If you just want the latest tech, you are goung to wait for the X.
If you just need a new phone you are going to look to the 6s or 7 because of price. In fact the 6s is going to cost you €540, the 7, €650, the 8, €830

If you need a new phone, why bother with the expensive 8?

Its a phone i really dont understand.
Why is it hard to understand?

From a 6 it’s a very good upgrade
 

widgeteer

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What's the deal with AR? I was playing around with it a bit today on my 7+, stuff seems to run fine on it. I looked up the "best" games and apps on google and downloaded a bunch of stuff. I must say I'm quite unimpressed. Everyone says this is the more of the future than VR is, but VR is much much more fun IMO, at least for games. Some of the apps seemed like they had promise, but didn't work well such as the measuring apps. The Ikea app was ok. It just seemed like much more hype than anything else.

Devs and companies very much want AR to be the future over VR because you don't need to strap stuff on to your head to use AR. I'm in your camp, I haven't seen anything currently available that rises past the level of "neat." I can see where perhaps the bones are there for some interesting use cases (a demo'd app allowed you to measure the length and widths of rooms, in example. Not "sexy" but definitely a practical type of execution).

As with all things, we'll see.
 

Shanghaichica

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Devs and companies very much want AR to be the future over VR because you don't need to strap stuff on to your head to use AR. I'm in your camp, I haven't seen anything currently available that rises past the level of "neat." I can see where perhaps the bones are there for some interesting use cases (a demo'd app allowed you to measure the length and widths of rooms, in example. Not "sexy" but definitely a practical type of execution).

As with all things, we'll see.
I guess we will see but right now VR is better.
 

Shanghaichica

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I think I can confidently say this now, too, where I couldn't before about the iPhone 6S or 7. The added features of the 8, along with the improvement of the design, extra storage, the speakers, regaining the camera crown... These things all matter. Wireless charging will matter.

It's a great option in the smartphone space.
It may not be the best and you have to afford the premium pricing, but it's a far more competitive device than the previous iPhone ever was in the smartphone landscape then. As I said, the only glaring flaw is the painfully outdated front panel, and the shadow of the iPhone X.
Well the pixel was the champion before the iPhone 8 plus therfore it's possible to have the best camera without a dual camera set up.
 
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spinedoc77

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Devs and companies very much want AR to be the future over VR because you don't need to strap stuff on to your head to use AR. I'm in your camp, I haven't seen anything currently available that rises past the level of "neat." I can see where perhaps the bones are there for some interesting use cases (a demo'd app allowed you to measure the length and widths of rooms, in example. Not "sexy" but definitely a practical type of execution).

As with all things, we'll see.

In terms of games, no contest IMO. VR is incredible. The future of games is VR but with much needed improvements in headset weight, cables, tethered PC versus self contained units, etc. I just can't see myself getting that excited holding up my iPhone/ipad like an idiot and looking through it. IMO it's more work to walk around like that than it is to have a headset on. I don't even find the argument that you always have your iPhone/ipad on you very convincing as the limiting factor is going to be battery life.

For other real life stuff I can definitely see utility. Measuring, mapping out rooms, comparing sizes, etc all seem like they will have some utility. Still overhyped IMO, and do we really need the new cameras on the 8/X to do this?

But you're right, we'll see and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. I guess I'm just underwhelmed and disappointed, it seemed like there was and is so much hype around AR.
 

widgeteer

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In terms of games, no contest IMO. VR is incredible. The future of games is VR but with much needed improvements in headset weight, cables, tethered PC versus self contained units, etc. I just can't see myself getting that excited holding up my iPhone/ipad like an idiot and looking through it. IMO it's more work to walk around like that than it is to have a headset on. I don't even find the argument that you always have your iPhone/ipad on you very convincing as the limiting factor is going to be battery life.

For other real life stuff I can definitely see utility. Measuring, mapping out rooms, comparing sizes, etc all seem like they will have some utility. Still overhyped IMO, and do we really need the new cameras on the 8/X to do this?

But you're right, we'll see and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. I guess I'm just underwhelmed and disappointed, it seemed like there was and is so much hype around AR.

There was as much hype with VR as it made its way to consumer platforms. Still hasn't taken off.

I don't have a dog in this fight. I think both techs are exciting for marketing departments more than anyone else at this point.
 

MRU

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There was as much hype with VR as it made its way to consumer platforms. Still hasn't taken off.

I don't have a dog in this fight. I think both techs are exciting for marketing departments more than anyone else at this point.
If you can't get consumers on mass to adopt a pair of 3D glasses you will never get consumers to truly adopt something as bulky as a VR headset. Especially when it is a solo experience too. We have the new tech hype every year, and VR really isn't new anyway. People assume it didn't really take off 20 years ago because of the technology of the time, but personally I do not see it really taking off ever. It will remain a novelty.
 

spinedoc77

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If you can't get consumers on mass to adopt a pair of 3D glasses you will never get consumers to truly adopt something as bulky as a VR headset. Especially when it is a solo experience too. We have the new tech hype every year, and VR really isn't new anyway. People assume it didn't really take off 20 years ago because of the technology of the time, but personally I do not see it really taking off ever. It will remain a novelty.

You are definitely right. But just my opinion, VR is awesome, even from day one, even with the bulky headset glued to my head. AR as it is today does nothing for me, I understand there are definitely applications, but they seem mundane to me. Setting up furniture, mapping out a room, things like this are great, very useful, but ultimately consumers won't care much more about it than before AR and having a measuring tape app. It's just another app that's useful, but still just an app. For games I don't see the appeal at all. Well maybe for things like Pokémon and such. I guess I'm more of a hunker down and get immersed type of gamer.

My main point was that AR was, and is hyped as the next big thing, but I'm just not seeing that at all.
 
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Shanghaichica

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You are definitely right. But just my opinion, VR is awesome, even from day one, even with the bulky headset glued to my head. AR as it is today does nothing for me, I understand there are definitely applications, but they seem mundane to me. Setting up furniture, mapping out a room, things like this are great, very useful, but ultimately consumers won't care much more about it than before AR and having a measuring tape app. It's just another app that's useful, but still just an app. For games I don't see the appeal at all. Well maybe for things like Pokémon and such. I guess I'm more of a hunker down and get immersed type of gamer.

My main point was that AR was, and is hyped as the next big thing, but I'm just not seeing that at all.
I think they will just sneak the AR into apps in mundane ways like you mentioned. People will be using AR and not even realising it.

But I totally agree VR is much more interesting to me. AR is just meh.
 

tbayrgs

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My main point was that AR was, and is hyped as the next big thing, but I'm just not seeing that at all.

I think AR has many more practical applications in everyday life and thus the hype vs. VR. With VR, you are completely blocked off from the real world. You need to be in a contained environment—can’t go walking or driving around the world with a headset covering your eyes.

Think past using just your phone, which all agree has some limitations. Imagine AR being integrated into your vehicle so that navigation is projected right into your field of view. Or being able to put on a set of glasses that can layer an entirely new set of information into your view as you look around. Stand in the observation deck of the Freedom Tower in NYC and have access to boundless information about what your looking at, or details about merchants as you walk the street. How about a surgeon having serial information overlayed right into his working field of view while performing a procedure?

Those are just the obvious ‘tips of the iceberg’. Beyond gaming and simulations, I find the uses of VR comparatively limiting. Not to mention a great many people can’t even use it for more than short durations due to the equilibrium problems it causes them as well as just plain nausea.

Just my $0.02 of course.
 
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spinedoc77

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I think AR has many more practical applications in everyday life and thus the hype vs. VR. With VR, you are completely blocked off from the real world. You need to be in a contained environment—can’t go walking or driving around the world with a headset covering your eyes.

Think past using just your phone, which all agree has some limitations. Imagine AR being integrated into your vehicle so that navigation is projected right into your field of view. Or being able to put on a set of glasses that can layer an entirely new set of information into your view as you look around. Stand in the observation deck of the Freedom Tower in NYC and have access to boundless information about what your looking at, or details about merchants as you walk the street. How about a surgeon having serial information overlayed right into his working field of view while performing a procedure?

Those are just the obvious ‘tips of the iceberg’. Beyond gaming and simulations, I find the uses of VR comparatively limiting. Not to mention a great many people can’t even use it for more than short durations due to the equilibrium problems it causes them as well as just plain nausea.

Just my $0.02 of course.

Oh I get the practical applications, but until we have AR glasses they feel overhyped looking through a phone. VR headsets can function with AR also by using the phones camera, for some applications it seems better to do this than hold up a phone. The phone seems limited in terms of the field of vision, even an ipad seems limited. With VR you have total immersion and total field of view. Once again something solved once AR glasses become available. It will be much easier to incorporate AR into glasses, versus VR will always be some kind of headset or glasses which have to cover peripheral vision. This is why IMO we will be stuck with headsets for the foreseeable future to get the best AR experience. At least until we can miniaturize the technology into glasses, but I'm sure that's years away. The AR headsets I've seen so far don't look much different or smaller than the Gear VR for example.

Definitely not disagreeing, but from Apple and the medias hype I just expected to be floored with AR right out of the gate. I'll definitely take AR and appreciate it and want to see where it goes. I just don't know how much mileage I'll get out of it while looking through my little phone screen.

BTW had a good time with my 5 year old daughter, showed her the dragon app where you raise and feed a dragon. She kept walking over to where the dragon was in the AR space and wondering why she couldn't bump into it.
 
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icemanbrfc

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Oh I get the practical applications, but until we have AR glasses they feel overhyped looking through a phone. VR headsets can function with AR also by using the phones camera, for some applications it seems better to do this than hold up a phone. The phone seems limited in terms of the field of vision, even an ipad seems limited. With VR you have total immersion and total field of view. Once again something solved once AR glasses become available. It will be much easier to incorporate AR into glasses, versus VR will always be some kind of headset or glasses which have to cover peripheral vision. This is why IMO we will be stuck with headsets for the foreseeable future to get the best AR experience. At least until we can miniaturize the technology into glasses, but I'm sure that's years away. The AR headsets I've seen so far don't look much different or smaller than the Gear VR for example.

Definitely not disagreeing, but from Apple and the medias hype I just expected to be floored with AR right out of the gate. I'll definitely take AR and appreciate it and want to see where it goes. I just don't know how much mileage I'll get out of it while looking through my little phone screen.

BTW had a good time with my 5 year old daughter, showed her the dragon app where you raise and feed a dragon. She kept walking over to where the dragon was in the AR space and wondering why she couldn't bump into it.
I remember the hype around 3D
 
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