Do you plan to switch from iPhone to Android? (2016)

[spinedoc77]

Some thoughts on why I went back to iOS. I'm usually an Android guy, having gone through all the Note series up the the Note 5. After owning 2 Note 7's and the fiasco involving that I went back to an iPhone, a 7+. So it's been about a year since I've used Android. I tried out the Note 8 for a few weeks but ended up returning it, mostly because I hated the hardware, but some of it was also preferring iOS.

Widgets: This is the big one, and one I've vehemently argued for Android being superior. Lately I've started to change my viewpoint a little though. My main argument on Android was that widgets were very powerful, on my Note 5 I would have multiple widgets on my home screen. I'd have a scrolling email, calendar, google voice, video feed of my infant, scrolling text messages, etc. all on my home screen, viewable at the same time. Now this may be a function of Samsung's UI but I found they borked the heck out of widgets. They just seemed to take up more space, with huge titlebars and some of them didn't scroll properly anymore. The google voice widget was totally fubared and really is useless now. Having widgets on the home screens seemed so unorganized and cluttered, it was just very jarring to me for some reason, even though I had functioned like this for years. I found myself preferring the widgets drawer of iOS. Although let's get something straight, Android widgets are still MUCH superior to iOS widgets. But to get them to look right it takes a lot of work, and you really need an external launcher such as Nova to get them sized and padded correctly. Even then Nova didn't work very well due to some font sizing issues, Nova responded to my email by telling me it was Samsung's fault and that Samsung was trying to force me to use Touchwize, hmm...

Facetime/imessages: Can't get away from this one, virtually all of my extended and immediate family use iphones.

 

[widgeteer]

Some thoughts on why I went back to iOS. I'm usually an Android guy, having gone through all the Note series up the the Note 5. After owning 2 Note 7's and the fiasco involving that I went back to an iPhone, a 7+. So it's been about a year since I've used Android. I tried out the Note 8 for a few weeks but ended up returning it, mostly because I hated the hardware, but some of it was also preferring iOS.

Widgets: This is the big one, and one I've vehemently argued for Android being superior. Lately I've started to change my viewpoint a little though. My main argument on Android was that widgets were very powerful, on my Note 5 I would have multiple widgets on my home screen. I'd have a scrolling email, calendar, google voice, video feed of my infant, scrolling text messages, etc. all on my home screen, viewable at the same time. Now this may be a function of Samsung's UI but I found they borked the heck out of widgets. They just seemed to take up more space, with huge titlebars and some of them didn't scroll properly anymore. The google voice widget was totally fubared and really is useless now. Having widgets on the home screens seemed so unorganized and cluttered, it was just very jarring to me for some reason, even though I had functioned like this for years. I found myself preferring the widgets drawer of iOS. Although let's get something straight, Android widgets are still MUCH superior to iOS widgets. But to get them to look right it takes a lot of work, and you really need an external launcher such as Nova to get them sized and padded correctly. Even then Nova didn't work very well due to some font sizing issues, Nova responded to my email by telling me it was Samsung's fault and that Samsung was trying to force me to use Touchwize, hmm...

Facetime/imessages: Can't get away from this one, virtually all of my extended and immediate family use iphones.

I've never been a huge widget guy. Other than toggles or legit at-a-glance stuff, I didn't find them any more efficient than simply tapping on the app in question. I'm with you, I prefer iOS's widget drawer approach because it is basically just at-a-glance info. Most toggles are located in some form of control center, so the rest just becomes noise now.

I got to use an iPhone 8 Plus over the weekend. A few thoughts.

• Glass back is sooooo much nicer than the previous generation's aluminum. The form factor and look of the devices are the same as the 7 but damn if holding it doesn't feel much better, and allows the tech enthusiast "new phone feel" initially.
• Wireless charging is slow as sh*t. I am definitely spoiled by Sammy's fast wireless charging feature. This is an option I'd use only if I'm putting the phone to bed for the night. Even topping it off is kind of a waste of time on a wireless charger. I'd rather just plug it into an iPad charger for a few.
• Purely anecdotal: iOS 11 seemed stuttery and...laggy on the unit I had. Screen would seize up every now and then. I've read online that some folks feel the software isn't optimized for the Bionic chip and I think they might be right but again, this was just my unit so I dunno.
• Oh my god notifications are such a f*cking dumpster fire on iOS 11 now. Apple...dudes...WHY WHY WHY have you buried the ability to clear all messages? And even then, I need an "older message" in order to even use that feature? I kept hoping I was missing something but I didn't find a solution. I'm still hoping I'm missing something because if this is working as intended it just straight up sucks. I don't know why their notification management is getting worse and worse. Managing notifications on Android is slowly becoming my version of "Can't leave iMessage" when considering going back to iOS as my daily driver.
• Played with a few AR apps. Whatever. It's neat but much like VR it's on the devs to prove to use this is a feature that's actually going to make using their stuff better vs a gimmick.
• Am I the only one who finds Tru Tone obnoxious? Initially when I set up the phone I thought it was cool but as I used it more it got annoying. Maybe a weekend is too short a time period to spend with it so I'm willing to leave this one as a "we'll see" should I get an iPhone for really real later on.
• Camera seemed fan-f*cking-tastic in the brief time I had with it. Portrait mode may have leapt over the Note 8's. I got some amazing shots. Slow mo was insane. I'm not a big camera guy but this thing was so good it made me pause when thinking about giving it up, and I own a Note 8 which has a baller camera and software.

All in all I would definitely upgrade from the 7 Plus if I decide to go iOS for my daily driver again. Despite the outdated design I think it's possible the 8 Plus will offer the best phone version of iOS this year as the X seems like there could be some pitfalls associated with it. I guess we'll see in a month or so.

 

[Eggtastic]

Some thoughts on why I went back to iOS. I'm usually an Android guy, having gone through all the Note series up the the Note 5. After owning 2 Note 7's and the fiasco involving that I went back to an iPhone, a 7+. So it's been about a year since I've used Android. I tried out the Note 8 for a few weeks but ended up returning it, mostly because I hated the hardware, but some of it was also preferring iOS.

Widgets: This is the big one, and one I've vehemently argued for Android being superior. Lately I've started to change my viewpoint a little though. My main argument on Android was that widgets were very powerful, on my Note 5 I would have multiple widgets on my home screen. I'd have a scrolling email, calendar, google voice, video feed of my infant, scrolling text messages, etc. all on my home screen, viewable at the same time. Now this may be a function of Samsung's UI but I found they borked the heck out of widgets. They just seemed to take up more space, with huge titlebars and some of them didn't scroll properly anymore. The google voice widget was totally fubared and really is useless now. Having widgets on the home screens seemed so unorganized and cluttered, it was just very jarring to me for some reason, even though I had functioned like this for years. I found myself preferring the widgets drawer of iOS. Although let's get something straight, Android widgets are still MUCH superior to iOS widgets. But to get them to look right it takes a lot of work, and you really need an external launcher such as Nova to get them sized and padded correctly. Even then Nova didn't work very well due to some font sizing issues, Nova responded to my email by telling me it was Samsung's fault and that Samsung was trying to force me to use Touchwize, hmm...

Facetime/imessages: Can't get away from this one, virtually all of my extended and immediate family use iphones.

Might want to change you slogan at the bottom of all your posts (I forget the actual word). Curious though, what android did you recently drop to go back to iPhone? I have a 6+ and am looking at the Samsung Galaxy s8+ for something new and fresh and not $1,000+.

 

[epicrayban]

Same Cult of Mac story has made front page:

The report, citing unnamed sources from within Apple's supply chain, claims the suppliers are now shipping only about 40 percent of the components originally planned for the initial production of the iPhone X.

Apple is allegedly waiting to see how many iPhone X pre-orders it receives, and monitoring how well the already-released iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus sell, before fully ramping up production overseas.


Also, it looks like Apple might not be ready to go full OLED across the iPhone lineup quite yet in 2018. Along with two OLED devices, Apple might offer a 6+" LCD:

This means that next year Apple could potentially launch the following iPhones: a 5.8-inch OLED model, a 6.46-inch "Plus" OLED model, and at least one LCD model that measures 6 inches (or larger).


Anyone else think this is because of anticipated severe supply constraints for the two OLED phones? Full OLED iPhones looks like it won't happen until 2019 now. In many ways, the iPhone 8/8 Plus are fallbacks to the limited supply of the iPhone X (and we know all signs are pointing to high demand for the X). Could the 6" LCD model be the fallback to 2018's OLED iPhones?

If it is, I think Apple is clever for doing this. Apple's 2018 lineup is going to be just as interesting as this years. And probably just as frustrating.

 

[widgeteer]

Same Cult to Mac story has made front page:

The report, citing unnamed sources from within Apple's supply chain, claims the suppliers are now shipping only about 40 percent of the components originally planned for the initial production of the iPhone X.

Apple is allegedly waiting to see how many iPhone X pre-orders it receives, and monitoring how well the already-released iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus sell, before fully ramping up production overseas.


Also, it looks like Apple might not be ready to go full OLED across the iPhone lineup quite yet in 2018. Along with two OLED devices, Apple might offer a 6+" LCD:

This means that next year Apple could potentially launch the following iPhones: a 5.8-inch OLED model, a 6.46-inch "Plus" OLED model, and at least one LCD model that measures 6 inches (or larger).


Anyone else think this is because of anticipated severe supply constraints for the two OLED phones? Full OLED iPhones looks like it won't happen until 2019 now. In many ways, the iPhone 8/8 Plus are fallbacks to the limited supply of the iPhone X (and we know all signs are pointing to high demand for the X). Could the 6" LCD model be the fallback to 2018's OLED iPhones?

If it is, I think Apple is clever for doing this. Apple's 2018 lineup is going to be just as interesting as this years. And probably just as frustrating.

We'll see. Demand for the phone will be insane but it is 1K, and there are no subsidies anymore. Apple may be holding back on component orders because they know something vs waiting to see how it plays out. Companies, even ones with as much cash as Apple, aren't in the business of leaving a ton of money on the table.

 

[Fernandez21]

i agree to a point. But Apple designates some features for different phones so in order to compare like for like you have to go with the latest model to the latest features.

Yeah, but I'm talking more about the screen size and screen real estate. The X is a souped up iPhone 4.7".

 

[epicrayban]

I've never been a huge widget guy. Other than toggles or legit at-a-glance stuff, I didn't find them any more efficient than simply tapping on the app in question. I'm with you, I prefer iOS's widget drawer approach because it is basically just at-a-glance info. Most toggles are located in some form of control center, so the rest just becomes noise now.

I got to use an iPhone 8 Plus over the weekend. A few thoughts.

• Glass back is sooooo much nicer than the previous generation's aluminum. The form factor and look of the devices are the same as the 7 but damn if holding it doesn't feel much better, and allows the tech enthusiast "new phone feel" initially.
• Wireless charging is slow as sh*t. I am definitely spoiled by Sammy's fast wireless charging feature. This is an option I'd use only if I'm putting the phone to bed for the night. Even topping it off is kind of a waste of time on a wireless charger. I'd rather just plug it into an iPad charger for a few.
• Purely anecdotal: iOS 11 seemed stuttery and...laggy on the unit I had. Screen would seize up every now and then. I've read online that some folks feel the software isn't optimized for the Bionic chip and I think they might be right but again, this was just my unit so I dunno.
• Oh my god notifications are such a f*cking dumpster fire on iOS 11 now. Apple...dudes...WHY WHY WHY have you buried the ability to clear all messages? And even then, I need an "older message" in order to even use that feature? I kept hoping I was missing something but I didn't find a solution. I'm still hoping I'm missing something because if this is working as intended it just straight up sucks. I don't know why their notification management is getting worse and worse. Managing notifications on Android is slowly becoming my version of "Can't leave iMessage" when considering going back to iOS as my daily driver.
• Played with a few AR apps. Whatever. It's neat but much like VR it's on the devs to prove to use this is a feature that's actually going to make using their stuff better vs a gimmick.
• Am I the only one who finds Tru Tone obnoxious? Initially when I set up the phone I thought it was cool but as I used it more it got annoying. Maybe a weekend is too short a time period to spend with it so I'm willing to leave this one as a "we'll see" should I get an iPhone for really real later on.
• Camera seemed fan-f*cking-tastic in the brief time I had with it. Portrait mode may have leapt over the Note 8's. I got some amazing shots. Slow mo was insane. I'm not a big camera guy but this thing was so good it made me pause when thinking about giving it up, and I own a Note 8 which has a baller camera and software.

All in all I would definitely upgrade from the 7 Plus if I decide to go iOS for my daily driver again. Despite the outdated design I think it's possible the 8 Plus will offer the best phone version of iOS this year as the X seems like there could be some pitfalls associated with it. I guess we'll see in a month or so.

Shocked to hear about the stuttery software. Thought only Samsung did this.

I agree with you on a lot of your points here about the iPhone 8. Love the glass-back design.

 

[icemanbrfc]

I've never been a huge widget guy. Other than toggles or legit at-a-glance stuff, I didn't find them any more efficient than simply tapping on the app in question. I'm with you, I prefer iOS's widget drawer approach because it is basically just at-a-glance info. Most toggles are located in some form of control center, so the rest just becomes noise now.

I got to use an iPhone 8 Plus over the weekend. A few thoughts.

• Glass back is sooooo much nicer than the previous generation's aluminum. The form factor and look of the devices are the same as the 7 but damn if holding it doesn't feel much better, and allows the tech enthusiast "new phone feel" initially.
• Wireless charging is slow as sh*t. I am definitely spoiled by Sammy's fast wireless charging feature. This is an option I'd use only if I'm putting the phone to bed for the night. Even topping it off is kind of a waste of time on a wireless charger. I'd rather just plug it into an iPad charger for a few.
• Purely anecdotal: iOS 11 seemed stuttery and...laggy on the unit I had. Screen would seize up every now and then. I've read online that some folks feel the software isn't optimized for the Bionic chip and I think they might be right but again, this was just my unit so I dunno.
• Oh my god notifications are such a f*cking dumpster fire on iOS 11 now. Apple...dudes...WHY WHY WHY have you buried the ability to clear all messages? And even then, I need an "older message" in order to even use that feature? I kept hoping I was missing something but I didn't find a solution. I'm still hoping I'm missing something because if this is working as intended it just straight up sucks. I don't know why their notification management is getting worse and worse. Managing notifications on Android is slowly becoming my version of "Can't leave iMessage" when considering going back to iOS as my daily driver.
• Played with a few AR apps. Whatever. It's neat but much like VR it's on the devs to prove to use this is a feature that's actually going to make using their stuff better vs a gimmick.
• Am I the only one who finds Tru Tone obnoxious? Initially when I set up the phone I thought it was cool but as I used it more it got annoying. Maybe a weekend is too short a time period to spend with it so I'm willing to leave this one as a "we'll see" should I get an iPhone for really real later on.
• Camera seemed fan-f*cking-tastic in the brief time I had with it. Portrait mode may have leapt over the Note 8's. I got some amazing shots. Slow mo was insane. I'm not a big camera guy but this thing was so good it made me pause when thinking about giving it up, and I own a Note 8 which has a baller camera and software.

All in all I would definitely upgrade from the 7 Plus if I decide to go iOS for my daily driver again. Despite the outdated design I think it's possible the 8 Plus will offer the best phone version of iOS this year as the X seems like there could be some pitfalls associated with it. I guess we'll see in a month or so.

Seems about right with iOS 11 from what I saw.. Not totally smooth, but didn't pick up that many issues from using it.

 

[widgeteer]

Shocked to hear about the stuttery software. Thought only Samsung did this.

I agree with you on a lot of your points here about the iPhone 8. Love the glass-back design.

This is how through the looking glass we are: one of the reasons the iPhone 8 Plus seemed a bit laggy is because my Note 8 is so damn smooth in comparison.

Note: The above and previous post should not be taken to mean I found iOS stuttery or laggy in general. It was mostly fluid and iOS-y. I still feel like I can get around on iOS much faster than I can on Android, like it feels getting from point A to point B is more of a straight line.

 

[tbayrgs]

I've never been a huge widget guy. Other than toggles or legit at-a-glance stuff, I didn't find them any more efficient than simply tapping on the app in question. I'm with you, I prefer iOS's widget drawer approach because it is basically just at-a-glance info. Most toggles are located in some form of control center, so the rest just becomes noise now.

I got to use an iPhone 8 Plus over the weekend. A few thoughts.

• Glass back is sooooo much nicer than the previous generation's aluminum. The form factor and look of the devices are the same as the 7 but damn if holding it doesn't feel much better, and allows the tech enthusiast "new phone feel" initially.
• Wireless charging is slow as sh*t. I am definitely spoiled by Sammy's fast wireless charging feature. This is an option I'd use only if I'm putting the phone to bed for the night. Even topping it off is kind of a waste of time on a wireless charger. I'd rather just plug it into an iPad charger for a few.
• Purely anecdotal: iOS 11 seemed stuttery and...laggy on the unit I had. Screen would seize up every now and then. I've read online that some folks feel the software isn't optimized for the Bionic chip and I think they might be right but again, this was just my unit so I dunno.
• Oh my god notifications are such a f*cking dumpster fire on iOS 11 now. Apple...dudes...WHY WHY WHY have you buried the ability to clear all messages? And even then, I need an "older message" in order to even use that feature? I kept hoping I was missing something but I didn't find a solution. I'm still hoping I'm missing something because if this is working as intended it just straight up sucks. I don't know why their notification management is getting worse and worse. Managing notifications on Android is slowly becoming my version of "Can't leave iMessage" when considering going back to iOS as my daily driver.
• Played with a few AR apps. Whatever. It's neat but much like VR it's on the devs to prove to use this is a feature that's actually going to make using their stuff better vs a gimmick.
• Am I the only one who finds Tru Tone obnoxious? Initially when I set up the phone I thought it was cool but as I used it more it got annoying. Maybe a weekend is too short a time period to spend with it so I'm willing to leave this one as a "we'll see" should I get an iPhone for really real later on.
• Camera seemed fan-f*cking-tastic in the brief time I had with it. Portrait mode may have leapt over the Note 8's. I got some amazing shots. Slow mo was insane. I'm not a big camera guy but this thing was so good it made me pause when thinking about giving it up, and I own a Note 8 which has a baller camera and software.

All in all I would definitely upgrade from the 7 Plus if I decide to go iOS for my daily driver again. Despite the outdated design I think it's possible the 8 Plus will offer the best phone version of iOS this year as the X seems like there could be some pitfalls associated with it. I guess we'll see in a month or so.

I spent quite a bit of time with the 8/8 Plus over the weekend and was pleasantly surprised with the experience. I'm not sure it's worth the upgrade from a 7 Plus, at least for me, but it's a pretty substantial move up from earlier versions. Agree about the look and feel in hand of the new glass back--big, big improvement over the aluminium (for my non-US members ), very premium feel.

One thing I kept thinking after talking to so many people about the upcoming X, is if Apple could just get over their symmetry hangups (well, actually seem to be getting over it considering the X) and trim the bezels on the existing design, especially up top, and bumped up the display resolution (1080 and 1440), the 8 models would be fantastic evolutions of the design and all the controversy of the X would've been easily avoided. We could've had models of the same body size with 5-5.1" and 5.8-5.9" displays, respectively, while still maintaining Touch ID. There'd also still be room in the design up top to add all the new sensors if they wanted to incorporate FaceID now or later.

Ah, what could've been...

 

[widgeteer]

I spent quite a bit of time with the 8/8 Plus over the weekend and was pleasantly surprised with the experience. I'm not sure it's worth the upgrade from a 7 Plus, at least for me, but it's a pretty substantial move up from earlier versions. Agree about the look and feel in hand of the new glass back--big, big improvement over the aluminium (for my non-US members ), very premium feel.

One thing I kept thinking after talking to so many people about the upcoming X, is if Apple could just get over their symmetry hangups (well, actually seem to be getting over it considering the X) and trim the bezels on the existing design, especially up top, and bumped up the display resolution (1080 and 1440), the 8 models would be fantastic evolutions of the design and all the controversy of the X would've been easily avoided. We could've had models of the same body size with 5-5.1" and 5.8-5.9" displays, respectively, while still maintaining Touch ID. There'd also still be room in the design up top to add all the new sensors if they wanted to incorporate FaceID now or later.

Ah, what could've been...

The cynical answer is that if they do what you're suggesting, the X becomes less "special". The probable answer is they have an extraordinarily well selling wheel, so why bother reinventing it? Ain't broken, so don't fix it yada yada. The bump in screen resolution would be nice but I only really notice a difference myself because of owning the Note 8. Otherwise I still think the iPhone screen *views* as one of the best on the market even if its specs lag behind...like...everyone else.

Fun fact: due to using a Note 8 as my daily for the last 2 plus weeks, each time I picked up the iPhone 8 Plus, my index finger would automatically reach for the top left side of the back to unlock it. Doh.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

From Cult of Mac:

Apple tells iPhone X component suppliers to slow down shipments

In fact, Apple has supposedly told component makers for the iPhone X to withhold shipments until Apple has gauged the sales performance of the recently released iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus.


Just as I've said before, Apple can literally afford to wait. With supply constraints predicted to last into the first half of 2018, I think the iPhone X is going to be a frustrating launch for the customers.

It could be that Apple are concerned the iPhone 8 hasn’t sold as well as expected too. It is after all the device released to make sure sales remain high. Lots of people here seem convinced the iPhone X is going to be the biggest selling iPhone in history despite the fact it’s out of an awful lot of iPhone users price range. Apple sure can afford to wait as they have huge cash reserves. I think it would be foolishly arrogant of them to be complacent though.

 

[icemanbrfc]

I spent quite a bit of time with the 8/8 Plus over the weekend and was pleasantly surprised with the experience. I'm not sure it's worth the upgrade from a 7 Plus, at least for me, but it's a pretty substantial move up from earlier versions. Agree about the look and feel in hand of the new glass back--big, big improvement over the aluminium (for my non-US members ), very premium feel.

One thing I kept thinking after talking to so many people about the upcoming X, is if Apple could just get over their symmetry hangups (well, actually seem to be getting over it considering the X) and trim the bezels on the existing design, especially up top, and bumped up the display resolution (1080 and 1440), the 8 models would be fantastic evolutions of the design and all the controversy of the X would've been easily avoided. We could've had models of the same body size with 5-5.1" and 5.8-5.9" displays, respectively, while still maintaining Touch ID. There'd also still be room in the design up top to add all the new sensors if they wanted to incorporate FaceID now or later.

Ah, what could've been...

It's not worth the upgrade from 7 to 8.. Let's be clear here, besides the A11 chip, and the glass back, there is nothing worthy of thinking you have to upgrade. Unless you coming from a 5s or 6, then yeh, but not a 7 or 7 plus.

 

[Aneres11]

Didn't really know where to put this but just downloaded 'Textra' on my XZ Premium.
Wowzers!
Closest I've managed to get to the stock Apple Messaging app (even iOS emoji!) and it works brilliantly.
Hate the stock messaging app on Android and this is an amazing alternative.
I'm always so late to the party with these cool things!

 

[widgeteer]

It could be that Apple are concerned the iPhone 8 hasn’t sold as well as expected too. It is after all the device released to make sure sales remain high. Lots of people here seem convinced the iPhone X is going to be the biggest selling iPhone in history despite the fact it’s out of an awful lot of iPhone users price range. Apple sure can afford to wait as they have huge cash reserves. I think it would be foolishly arrogant of them to be complacent though.

I think the price will limit to an extent but an awful lot? I doubt it. People will just do the monthly payment option and tell themselves it's not really 1K, especially if they belong to an upgrade program.

I disagree with the premise that Apple can afford to wait. Again, to a very limited extent. The marketplace is unforgiving and anyone who is familiar with Blackberry/RIM's story knows the marketplace is not going to wait. My belief on this is that Apple wants to get as many phones into as many hands as quickly as it can.

All of this will probably be moot though as I'm guessing the phone has huuuuuuge demand with folks willing to wait however long it takes to get their hands on one. The more limited, the more they'll want it. Welcome to 2017's official status symbol - the iPhone X.

 

[Radon87000]

Ready to play the Hunger Games on the 27th. Bring it on.

 

[S.B.G]

It's not worth the upgrade from 7 to 8.. Let's be clear here, besides the A11 chip, and the glass back, there is nothing worthy of thinking you have to upgrade. Unless you coming from a 5s or 6, then yeh, but not a 7 or 7 plus.

Even at that, I have a 6s and there isn't anything on the 8 that is compelling enough for me to want to upgrade to it. That's partly why I am looking at switching over to Android for the first time ever. That's just me of course and my mobile needs are rather basic I suppose.

 

[lowendlinux]

It could be that Apple are concerned the iPhone 8 hasn’t sold as well as expected too. It is after all the device released to make sure sales remain high. Lots of people here seem convinced the iPhone X is going to be the biggest selling iPhone in history despite the fact it’s out of an awful lot of iPhone users price range. Apple sure can afford to wait as they have huge cash reserves. I think it would be foolishly arrogant of them to be complacent though.

You couldn't tell that by the number of people at the Sprint store this weekend, I swear half the town was in line there.

If I were planning on an iPhone this year I'd take the 8 over the X since the 8 is what the 6 should have been

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I think the price will limit to an extent but an awful lot? I doubt it. People will just do the monthly payment option and tell themselves it's not really 1K, especially if they belong to an upgrade program.

I disagree with the premise that Apple can afford to wait. Again, to a very limited extent. The marketplace is unforgiving and anyone who is familiar with Blackberry/RIM's story knows the marketplace is not going to wait. My belief on this is that Apple wants to get as many phones into as many hands as quickly as it can.

All of this will probably be moot though as I'm guessing the phone has huuuuuuge demand with folks willing to wait however long it takes to get their hands on one. The more limited, the more they'll want it. Welcome to 2017's official status symbol - the iPhone X.

Even a monthly payment plan carries a large premium here in Europe. The iPhone 8 can be had at £28p/m with a £200 upfront payment. The X is starting to appear on carriers pricing and so far the cheapest is £63p/m with an upfront payment. It’s double the price so the premium can not be hidden. I think Apple is well aware this product is niche. If they wanted to get it into as many hands as they could then they would lower margins and not price it so high. Trends suggest people are looking to lower monthly contract expenses, not increase them. It’s one of the main reasons the iPhone 7 undersold in certain markets.

I think the perception of the X being a status symbol will be held exclusively by those that own it. Smartphones are no longer unique and status symbols are usually products that display wealth like sports cars and watches costing tens of thousands. Our family MBP cost more than an iPhone X and is far from being considered a status symbol. It’s a tool.

 

[icemanbrfc]

Even at that, I have a 6s and there isn't anything on the 8 that is compelling enough for me to want to upgrade to it. That's partly why I am looking at switching over to Android for the first time ever. That's just me of course and my mobile needs are rather basic I suppose.

Yeh I suppose, it's going to be whether people decide to upgrade just for the sake of it. I have to say, that Apple has kind of disappointed me this year, and I'm an Android user. Always impressed with Apple, but this year, it seems a bit off for me.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

You couldn't tell that by the number of people at the Sprint store this weekend, I swear half the town was in line there.

If I were planning on an iPhone this year I'd take the 8 over the X since the 8 is what the 6 should have been

I couldn’t comment on queues here or online data, but there are already 4 iPhone 8’s at my work. I haven’t personally encountered anybody admitting to wanting the X yet but that’s just my experience.

 

[icemanbrfc]

I couldn’t comment on queues here or online data, but there are already 4 iPhone 8’s at my work. I haven’t personally encountered anybody admitting to wanting the X yet but that’s just my experience.

Perhaps not interested this year, but rather waiting another year for the upgraded X?

 

[Radon87000]

Even a monthly payment plan carries a large premium here in Europe. The iPhone 8 can be had at £28p/m with a £200 upfront payment. The X is starting to appear on carriers pricing and so far the cheapest is £63p/m with an upfront payment. It’s double the price so the premium can not be hidden. I think Apple is well aware this product is niche. If they wanted to get it into as many hands as they could then they would lower margins and not price it so high. Trends suggest people are looking to lower monthly contract expenses, not increase them. It’s one of the main reasons the iPhone 7 undersold in certain markets.

I think the perception of the X being a status symbol will be held exclusively by those that own it. Smartphones are no longer unique and status symbols are usually products that display wealth like sports cars and watches costing tens of thousands. Our family MBP cost more than an iPhone X and is far from being considered a status symbol. It’s a tool.

They will continue to offer phones at the $699 price point which will get incremental updates like the 8 and most people will get that. If you want the real upgrades, Apple has settled on $999 base price. The 6.4 iPhone next year will cost $1100-1200 for 64GB base. So will Samsung’s bendable Galaxy X. The entire industry will settle on this pricing.

 

[spinedoc77]

Might want to change you slogan at the bottom of all your posts (I forget the actual word). Curious though, what android did you recently drop to go back to iPhone? I have a 6+ and am looking at the Samsung Galaxy s8+ for something new and fresh and not $1,000+.

I can't change the logo until the iPhone 8/8+ is no more!! I dropped the Note 8 to go back to my 7+.
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Shocked to hear about the stuttery software. Thought only Samsung did this.

I agree with you on a lot of your points here about the iPhone 8. Love the glass-back design.

iOS has been degrading, just as touchwiz has been improving. It's ironic that they seem to have switched roles somewhat.

 

[widgeteer]

Even a monthly payment plan carries a large premium here in Europe. The iPhone 8 can be had at £28p/m with a £200 upfront payment. The X is starting to appear on carriers pricing and so far the cheapest is £63p/m with an upfront payment. It’s double the price so the premium can not be hidden. I think Apple is well aware this product is niche. If they wanted to get it into as many hands as they could then they would lower margins and not price it so high. Trends suggest people are looking to lower monthly contract expenses, not increase them. It’s one of the main reasons the iPhone 7 undersold in certain markets.

I think the perception of the X being a status symbol will be held exclusively by those that own it. Smartphones are no longer unique and status symbols are usually products that display wealth like sports cars and watches costing tens of thousands. Our family MBP cost more than an iPhone X and is far from being considered a status symbol. It’s a tool.

The status symbol element isn't about price so much as exclusivity. It's a popular hard to come by item.

I don't agree with your assessment on Apple's view that this is a niche product. Their own history suggests they believe higher prices suggest a premium product that drives desire for it. This particular product is limited due to a number of constraints on materials.