Do you plan to switch from iPhone to Android? (2016)

[spinedoc77]

I think the price will limit to an extent but an awful lot? I doubt it. People will just do the monthly payment option and tell themselves it's not really 1K, especially if they belong to an upgrade program.

I disagree with the premise that Apple can afford to wait. Again, to a very limited extent. The marketplace is unforgiving and anyone who is familiar with Blackberry/RIM's story knows the marketplace is not going to wait. My belief on this is that Apple wants to get as many phones into as many hands as quickly as it can.

All of this will probably be moot though as I'm guessing the phone has huuuuuuge demand with folks willing to wait however long it takes to get their hands on one. The more limited, the more they'll want it. Welcome to 2017's official status symbol - the iPhone X.

Well they *can* afford to wait, but what company wants to lose money? If the X is constrained Apple can't make a profit off a phone they can't sell. And if everyone is not buying the 8 because they are waiting for the X, well see point #1. Apple stock has been a bit volatile lately, and with good reason. I'm curious to see what happens if their earnings reports are low because they couldn't sell either iPhone model. I have a large amount of Apple stock as my "crazy" stock, so have a vested interest.

Now 2018 will be a different story I think. Once they have their production where it needs to be, and if they release a X-plus as rumored, next holiday season there is no way Apple stock isn't well over $200. 2017 is just a stepping stone for them.

 

[widgeteer]

Ready to play the Hunger Games on the 27th. Bring it on.

Meh. If I want the X, I will stay up till midnight that night but otherwise I ain't sweating it. If I get my order in and shipping times have dropped to weeks, whatever. If I've decided to get an X, it'll be in my hands eventually. I don't have any great need for that to happen Nov 3rd vs Jan 3rd.

 

[icemanbrfc]

The status symbol element isn't about price so much as exclusivity. It's a popular hard to come by item.

I don't agree with your assessment on Apple's view that this is a niche product. Their own history suggests they believe higher prices suggest a premium product that drives desire for it. This particular product is limited due to a number of constraints on materials.

Thing is, is the X a premium product? Or at least a $1000 product?

 

[koigirl]

This is just an anecdote with no hard facts or concrete sales figures:

I switched our family plan over to ATT from Verizon this weekend bc ATT was offering a BOGO deal on the Note 8. Our Spectrum cable and internet service is so undependable I was willing to try Uverse. We also ended up upgrading two other family members’ aging phones for iPhone 8’s, also BOGO. They even threw in 2 Gear S3’s free. We brought two more lines over as BYOD for a total of 6 lines.

Anyway, the ATT saleslady remarked that she had been taking Samsung orders all day long and not many for Apple. After finishing our order over the phone on Saturday (it literally took hours to port 6 lines, sign up for Uverse, etc.), I had one more question re: paperwork/totals so we went up to our local ATT store and it was almost empty. We asked the two salespeople helping us if they had been busy/sold a lot of iPhone 8’s (this was late Saturday afternoon) and they said no, not so much, just a normal day with ebb and flow of customers.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

They will continue to offer phones at the $699 price point which will get incremental updates like the 8 and most people will get that. If you want the real upgrades, Apple has settled on $999 base price. The 6.4 iPhone next year will cost $1100-1200 for 64GB base. So will Samsung’s bendable Galaxy X. The entire industry will settle on this pricing.

That all depends on how well this pricing works out. If sales are lower than expected and the trend for keeping phones longer than the contract period continues, these manufacturers will have no choice but to react. This year is a test year to see if the demand and return is there. Apple are the only manufacturer that maintains pricing for pretty much an entire year too. Samsung released the Note 8 at nearly £1000 and that is already being discounted on many carriers. Their premiums are designed for the short term and that is a very different business model to Apples.

Personally if I really wanted the ‘real upgrades’ I’d buy the iPhone X next September as its replacement is coming out. The minimal difference between models ensures no iPhone is really that much out of date over a 2 year period and even then it’s largely insignificant.

I hope for the sake of all iPhone users the X undersells and we see a shakeup across the board. It’s the only way we are going to steer the ship away from a £2k or £3k iPhone further down the line. Apple are getting greedy and it’s been creeping towards this for years.

 

[Radon87000]

Meh. If I want the X, I will stay up till midnight that night but otherwise I ain't sweating it. If I get my order in and shipping times have dropped to weeks, whatever. If I've decided to get an X, it'll be in my hands eventually. I don't have any great need for that to happen Nov 3rd vs Jan 3rd.

I am cancelling it if it goes beyond December. I have the Note 8 on backup to satisfy my upgrade itch for the year.

 

[koigirl]

That all depends on how well this pricing works out. If sales are lower than expected and the trend for keeping phones longer than the contract period continues, these manufacturers will have no choice but to react. This year is a test year to see if the demand and return is there. Apple are the only manufacturer that maintains pricing for pretty much an entire year too. Samsung released the Note 8 at nearly £1000 and that is already being discounted on many carriers. Their premiums are designed for the short term and that is a very different business model to Apples.

Personally if I really wanted the ‘real upgrades’ I’d buy the iPhone X next September as its replacement is coming out. The minimal difference between models ensures no iPhone is really that much out of date over a 2 year period and even then it’s largely insignificant.

I hope for the sake of all iPhone users the X undersells and we see a shakeup across the board. It’s the only way we are going to steer the ship away from a £2k or £3k iPhone further down the line. Apple are getting greedy and it’s been creeping towards this for years.

Exactly why we are trying out the Note 8 after being 100% Apple users since 2010. I feel like they are offering less stable software on less innovative hardware and charging an ever-increasing premium for it. Samsung seems to offer more innovation for less $$. By the time I got the 256GB iPhone X with Apple Care, I would be spending north of $1500. The 8 Plus is not a big enough improvement over my 128GB 6S Plus. 64GB does not work for me. I wonder how many others are thinking the same way. We could afford it but I don’t want to spend it.

 

[Radon87000]

Exactly why we are trying out the Note 8 after being 100% Apple users since 2010. I feel like they are offering less stable software on less innovative hardware and charging an ever-increasing premium for it. Samsung seems to offer more innovation for less $$. By the time I got the 256GB iPhone X with Apple Care, I would be spending north of $1500. The 8 Plus is not a big enough improvement over my 128GB 6S Plus. 64GB does not work for me. I wonder how many others are thinking the same way. We could afford it but I don’t want to spend it.

They did a bad move getting rid of the 128GB storage tier as that would have been perfect for the iPhone X as expensive as it is. 64GB is a joke with the 4k 60fps recording and one is forced to get the 256GB model

 

[The Game 161]

Exactly why we are trying out the Note 8 after being 100% Apple users since 2010. I feel like they are offering less stable software on less innovative hardware and charging an ever-increasing premium for it. Samsung seems to offer more innovation for less $$. By the time I got the 256GB iPhone X with Apple Care, I would be spending north of $1500. The 8 Plus is not a big enough improvement over my 128GB 6S Plus. 64GB does not work for me. I wonder how many others are thinking the same way. We could afford it but I don’t want to spend it.

As I said in another thread on the upgrade program I’m going to need to pay £30 more a month on the x over the note 8. Mad really.

 

[I7guy]

I am cancelling it if it goes beyond December. I have the Note 8 on backup to satisfy my upgrade itch for the year.

You know you will not get the phone until next year.

 

[Radon87000]

Exactly why we are trying out the Note 8 after being 100% Apple users since 2010. I feel like they are offering less stable software on less innovative hardware and charging an ever-increasing premium for it. Samsung seems to offer more innovation for less $$. By the time I got the 256GB iPhone X with Apple Care, I would be spending north of $1500. The 8 Plus is not a big enough improvement over my 128GB 6S Plus. 64GB does not work for me. I wonder how many others are thinking the same way. We could afford it but I don’t want to spend it.

Apple needs to get rid of that old 6SSS deisgn and release a bezelless phone with TouchID for the same price as that of the current iPhones. Otherwise, those who don't value iOS as an OS will simply migrate to the Note 8. The only thing saving Apple is iOS and the lack of competition in the tablet and wearables space as I prefer a complete ecosystem. Samsung is already trickling down the bezelless design to their A Series mid range phones this year

 

[I7guy]

Apple needs to get rid of that old 6SSS deisgn and release a bezelless phone with TouchID for the same price as that of the current iPhones. Otherwise, those who don't value iOS as an OS will simply migrate to the Note 8. The only thing saving Apple is iOS and the lack of competition in the tablet and wearables space as I prefer a complete ecosystem. Samsung is already trickling down the bezelless design to their A Series mid range phones this year

According to the news feed Apple is releasing a larger LCD screen? Yeah!

 

[spinedoc77]

According to the news feed Apple is releasing a larger LCD screen? Yeah!

Looks like 2018 will be the iPhone X, iPhone X plus and the iPhone 9 with LCD? That's what I'm reading, of course it's complete rumor only at this point. I'm curious if that LCD one will have decreased bezels, or if it will be an evolution of the 6/7/8 series.

 

[I7guy]

Looks like 2018 will be the iPhone X, iPhone X plus and the iPhone 9 with LCD? That's what I'm reading, of course it's complete rumor only at this point. I'm curious if that LCD one will have decreased bezels, or if it will be an evolution of the 6/7/8 series.

Actually a good question. Will lcd models go bezeless?

 

[lowendlinux]

Actually a good question. Will lcd models go bezeless?

I thought the OLED thinness was required for the under screen finger print reader to work?

 

[Radon87000]

According to the news feed Apple is releasing a larger LCD screen? Yeah!

Enjoy those huge bezels.
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Looks like 2018 will be the iPhone X, iPhone X plus and the iPhone 9 with LCD? That's what I'm reading, of course it's complete rumor only at this point. I'm curious if that LCD one will have decreased bezels, or if it will be an evolution of the 6/7/8 series.

The bezelless models have Apple's Notch™ which is why Apple used OLED displays. The LCD model is likely replacing the current 5.5 and 4.7 iPhones as the Plus models are more popular than the smaller ones

 

[spinedoc77]

I thought the OLED thinness was required for the under screen finger print reader to work?

That's why it's most likely an evolution of the 6/7/8 series. Although it's possible they can do a lot of stuff, maybe just reduce the top bezel or maybe put the fp sensor on the rear, or maybe they ditch it and go all Face ID and only the X has the underscreen FP sensor. Who knows, it's way too early. Not many predicted Apple would rehash the 6/7 into the 8, so what happens next year is anyones guess. My take on it is to justify the $1k price they still have to keep a "midrange flagship" available like the 8.
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Enjoy those huge bezels.
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The bezelless models have Apple's Notch™ which is why Apple used OLED displays. The LCD model is likely replacing the current 5.5 and 4.7 iPhones as the Plus models are more popular than the smaller ones

Yep that's my take on it as well. But it doesn't mean Apple won't change the hardware at all, it's too early to tell.

 

[Zaft]

Enjoy those huge bezels.
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The bezelless models have Apple's Notch™ which is why Apple used OLED displays. The LCD model is likely replacing the current 5.5 and 4.7 iPhones as the Plus models are more popular than the smaller ones

I dont really mind the bezels or the size of the Plus models.

But I would welcome a 6.4 inch screen in the size of the current Plus mode.

 

[lowendlinux]

I dont really mind the bezels or the size of the Plus models.

But I would welcome a 6.4 inch screen in the size of the current Plus mode.

The plus models were about the same size as my Nexus 6 with a half inch smaller screen. The could probably do away with the top bezel and shrink the bottom one a bit though

 

[Radon87000]

That's why it's most likely an evolution of the 6/7/8 series. Although it's possible they can do a lot of stuff, maybe just reduce the top bezel or maybe put the fp sensor on the rear, or maybe they ditch it and go all Face ID and only the X has the underscreen FP sensor. Who knows, it's way too early. Not many predicted Apple would rehash the 6/7 into the 8, so what happens next year is anyones guess. My take on it is to justify the $1k price they still have to keep a "midrange flagship" available like the 8.
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TouchID is not coming back. In a recent interview to Gruber, Craig said TouchID under the display was Plan B if FaceID didn't work out. Several engineers at Apple have confirmed they gave up trying to make the FPS under the screen a long time ago as they believed FaceID was the way to go

 

[spinedoc77]

I dont really mind the bezels or the size of the Plus models.

But I would welcome a 6.4 inch screen in the size of the current Plus mode.

If they reduced the top bezel on the iPhone 7 plus (or stretched the screen up to make it 6.4), and maybe the bottom bezel with a flatter FP sensor I'd be all over it in a second. I have a feeling I'm going to hate how narrow the iPhone X is, and also that it loses so much screen real estate to the rounded corners, notch, and the safe zones/gutters Apple pushes onto the devs. At the end of the day it's just a slightly taller non plus iPhone 7/8 in terms of what you see on the screen. Heck they took away things like split view email for gods sake.

That's why my hopes rest with an iPhone X-plus. But I'd definitely take a LCD screen iPhone with reduced bezels.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

The bezelless models have Apple's Notch which is why Apple used OLED displays. The LCD model is likely replacing the current 5.5 and 4.7 iPhones as the Plus models are more popular than the smaller ones

Popular in certain countries but not others. It’s not definitive that Plus iPhones are more popular overall. If the screens are bigger within a smaller body then that is a winning combination, but the last Plus models have been absurdly big and in my experience less common.

 

[spinedoc77]

TouchID is not coming back. In a recent interview to Gruber, Craig said TouchID under the display was Plan B if FaceID didn't work out. Several engineers at Apple have confirmed they gave up trying to make the FPS under the screen a long time ago as they believed FaceID was the way to go

Interesting, so whatever the LCD screen phone is next year it won't have a physical FP sensor, and if LCD won't work it won't have an underscreen one either.

 

[widgeteer]

Thing is, is the X a premium product? Or at least a $1000 product?

Different argument. Maybe? Yes? No way? In the Apple ecosystem, it is a premium product. First bezel-less iPhone with OLED screen, bleeding edge front camera tech to enable one-of-a-kind face IT tech on a smartphone. If you don't care about Android, yes it's a premium product.

But these kinds of questions get into OS preferences, what "value" means to each person, and then things get pretty subjective.

 

[Zaft]

If they reduced the top bezel on the iPhone 7 plus (or stretched the screen up to make it 6.4), and maybe the bottom bezel with a flatter FP sensor I'd be all over it in a second. I have a feeling I'm going to hate how narrow the iPhone X is, and also that it loses so much screen real estate to the rounded corners, notch, and the safe zones/gutters Apple pushes onto the devs. At the end of the day it's just a slightly taller non plus iPhone 7/8 in terms of what you see on the screen. Heck they took away things like split view email for gods sake.

That's why my hopes rest with an iPhone X-plus. But I'd definitely take a LCD screen iPhone with reduced bezels.

I was all over the X until I found out the screen is narrower than the Plus.

Like others have said, using an S8 will give you a good idea about the screen of the X.
The S8 felt cramped for me.

S8+ on the other hand was perfect.