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jamezr

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The iPhone X apparently can't tell the difference between twins
Back in August 2015, a similar test was conducted on Microsoft's Windows Hello feature. Contrary to the iPhone X's results, no wrong twin was given access to the computer used.

Despite reducing the accuracy of the face-recognition sensor, Apple claims that the technology is still superior to the current Touch ID. It remains to be seen, however, if and when Face ID will gain better face-discerning capabilities.

https://www.neowin.net/news/the-iphone-x-apparently-cant-tell-the-difference-between-twins
 

jamezr

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They did say "unless you have an identical twin" during the keynote, or something like that. Probably not a big deal.

I don’t think it is a big deal either to be honest. But it was interesting reading the article that 2 years ago Windows could not be fooled in this manner.
 
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epicrayban

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I really wonder why Apple only gave users 24 hours to review. You'd think with so many new gestures and a whole new way of unlocking, you'd give reviewers more time to get used to it and test it out.

Now everyone is writing more impressions than an actual in-depth review.
 
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I really wonder why Apple only gave users 24 hours to review. You'd think with so many new gestures and a whole new way of unlocking, you'd give reviewers more time to get used to it and test it out.

Now everyone is writing more impressions than an actual in-depth review.
It seems really strange indeed. At least I can't help thinking also about the angle where they don't want reviewers to have enough time to run into issues but release a first impressions piece instead.
 
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epicrayban

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Also, many of these reviews are saying Face ID only works when you put your device either up close or more directly in line to your face, quote "as if you're about to take a selfie."

I thought it was supposed to work from odd angles, even when situated on the table, for example. No? I can't remember now, did Apple overpromise or was that just a rumor?


Face ID not shaping up to be the leapfrogging technology I thought it would be. If that's the case, the iPhone X is truly an incredibly overpriced "catch up" to the competition. Face ID was the one thing that was supposed to set it apart and ahead. And, not to mention, the one thing to justify the lost of Touch ID and the intrusive notch.
 
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jamezr

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Also, many of these reviews are saying Face ID only works when you put your device either up close or more directly in line to your face, quote "as if you're about to take a selfie."

I thought it was supposed to work from odd angles, even when situated on the table, for example. No? I can't remember now, did Apple overpromise or was that just a rumor?


Face ID not shaping up to be the leapfrogging technology I thought it would be. If that's the case, the iPhone X is truly an incredibly overpriced "catch up" to the competition. Face ID was the one thing that was supposed to set it apart and ahead. And, not to mention, the one thing to justify the lost of Touch ID and the intrusive notch.
That was my impression when it was first demoed. It is just like Iris scanning on my Note 8.
You still have to hold it at an awkward angle to get it to work correctly. It does seem to be accurate from what the reviewers are saying.
It is still not as easy and intuitive to use a the FPS and TouchID it replaced.
 

convergent

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That was my impression when it was first demoed. It is just like Iris scanning on my Note 8.
You still have to hold it at an awkward angle to get it to work correctly. It does seem to be accurate from what the reviewers are saying.
It is still not as easy and intuitive to use a the FPS and TouchID it replaced.

Is anyone else noticing that the headlines all say FaceID works really well, but then when you read the comments you don't come away with "really well" as an interpretation? Several said it didn't work well in different lighting situations, and also several said you have to hold it up in front of your face. That sounds an awful lot like the way I have to hold my Note 8 for iris scan. But I don't have to pick it up if its in the charger, I just lean forward and it usually gets me but my finger is on the FPS by then anyways, so no failures.
 

jamezr

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Is anyone else noticing that the headlines all say FaceID works really well, but then when you read the comments you don't come away with "really well" as an interpretation? Several said it didn't work well in different lighting situations, and also several said you have to hold it up in front of your face. That sounds an awful lot like the way I have to hold my Note 8 for iris scan. But I don't have to pick it up if its in the charger, I just lean forward and it usually gets me but my finger is on the FPS by then anyways, so no failures.
My thoughts too.....i want to read more reviews of people that actually use it in everyday circumstances. When FaceID was demoed Craig had to wipe the sweat off of his face to get a good read. I wonder how that will work in real life? If you sweat.....what will the success rate be. What about women with make up and without? Work days versus non work days.

I know a lot of Apple fans complained that using Iris scanning was not intuitive because of how you had to hold it.
I wonder if they will say the same about FaceID?
 
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AustinIllini

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Is anyone else noticing that the headlines all say FaceID works really well, but then when you read the comments you don't come away with "really well" as an interpretation? Several said it didn't work well in different lighting situations, and also several said you have to hold it up in front of your face. That sounds an awful lot like the way I have to hold my Note 8 for iris scan. But I don't have to pick it up if its in the charger, I just lean forward and it usually gets me but my finger is on the FPS by then anyways, so no failures.
I think the problem is TouchID performs much better than "really well". It's pretty incredible.
 
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convergent

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My thoughts too.....i want to read more reviews of people that actually use it in everyday circumstances. When FaceID was demoed Craig had to wipe the sweat off of his face to get a good read. I wonder how that will work in real life? If you sweat.....what will the success rate be. What about women with make up and without? Work days versus non work days.

I know a lot of Apple fans complained that using Iris scanning was not intuitive because of how you had to hold it.
I wonder if they will say the same about FaceID?

And with FaceID you get 2 shots instead of 5 before you are typing in a PIN. I think it is going to take probably a month of use before you get real feedback from X owners. There is so much hype about this phone and my guess is that most will not be willing to admit it if it doesn't work well for them. Given all the different types of faces people have and all the different lighting situations... I will be shocked if this is a home run. Hopefully they don't have something happen like this - https://www.pcworld.com/article/209708/Is_Microsoft_Kinect_Racist.html
 
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jamezr

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And with FaceID you get 2 shots instead of 5 before you are typing in a PIN. I think it is going to take probably a month of use before you get real feedback from X owners. There is so much hype about this phone and my guess is that most will not be willing to admit it if it doesn't work well for them.
I think that is what most apple fans will do....they will not complain and just accept their new reality....
 

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Is anyone else noticing that the headlines all say FaceID works really well, but then when you read the comments you don't come away with "really well" as an interpretation? Several said it didn't work well in different lighting situations, and also several said you have to hold it up in front of your face. That sounds an awful lot like the way I have to hold my Note 8 for iris scan. But I don't have to pick it up if its in the charger, I just lean forward and it usually gets me but my finger is on the FPS by then anyways, so no failures.

The key is whether Face ID's failure rate is equal/better than Touch ID. Because people are paying close attention to it, any failures will be exaggerated as "uh oh." I'm not suggesting it's not going to suck or not suck, I'll find out for myself this weekend.

Personally, I don't love it to begin with because being able to text on a locked screen was something cool with iOS. With Face ID, you essentially will never be able to do that.
 

AustinIllini

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The key is whether Face ID's failure rate is equal/better than Touch ID. Because people are paying close attention to it, any failures will be exaggerated as "uh oh." I'm not suggesting it's not going to suck or not suck, I'll find out for myself this weekend.

Personally, I don't love it to begin with because being able to text on a locked screen was something cool with iOS. With Face ID, you essentially will never be able to do that.
You're right, but I would add the OTHER key is what the end user wants to do to get the feature to work. You can initiate touchID without looking at the device or if it is far away from its face. So the failure rate doesn't tell the whole story because the failure rate of FaceID is lower under a very small set of parameters.
 

epicrayban

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A big reason I choose Facial unlock instead of IRIS scanner is to avoid precisely need to bring the device so leveled to my face/eyes.

Facial unlock is faster. And in scenarios where I know Face unlock might have trouble (darkness, if I have sunglasses on, etc.), then I go straight for the FPS on the back.

With the iPhone X, you really have no choice at all. It's Face ID or the archaic pin code.
 

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If FaceID needs 25-50cm of difference to work properly and even in a perfect scenario, it's still slightly slower than gen 2 TouchID, seems it's somewhat of a step backwards. They should have kept the fps on the back and swallowed their pride. This is s perfect scenario and the one on the right seems slightly annoying to me. There is also no telling how it would work with odd angles and glasses. It's why I didn't buy the Note 8. The iris scanner needs angles and is hit or miss with glasses. I guess I will find out when I receive mine in a month

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Zaft

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A big reason I choose Facial unlock instead of IRIS scanner is to avoid precisely need to bring the device so leveled to my face/eyes.

Facial unlock is faster. And in scenarios where I know Face unlock might have trouble (darkness, if I have sunglasses on, etc.), then I go straight for the FPS on the back.

With the iPhone X, you really have no choice at all. It's Face ID or the archaic pin code.
It seems that you can turn off the "awareness" on Face ID, in that case it should work in more angles.
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A big reason I choose Facial unlock instead of IRIS scanner is to avoid precisely need to bring the device so leveled to my face/eyes.

Facial unlock is faster. And in scenarios where I know Face unlock might have trouble (darkness, if I have sunglasses on, etc.), then I go straight for the FPS on the back.

With the iPhone X, you really have no choice at all. It's Face ID or the archaic pin code.
Im surprised Apple have not made the pattern unlock available for IOS users. Its only on devices that Apple genious employees use for some reason.
 
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jamezr

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If FaceID needs 25-50cm of difference to work properly and even in a perfect scenario, it's still slightly slower than gen 2 TouchID, seems it's somewhat of a step backwards. They should have kept the fps on the back and swallowed their pride. This is s perfect scenario and the one on the right seems slightly annoying to me. There is also no telling how it would work with odd angles and glasses. It's why I didn't buy the Note 8. The iris scanner needs angles and is hit or miss with glasses. I guess I will find out when I receive mine in a month

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Thats not even taking into account I can have my finger on the FPS while it is in my pocket. I can unlock my iPhone 8 plus without having to look at it......It is much faster than that video shows.
 

epicrayban

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Still no shipment notification yet. Both my Xs are say "preparing to ship". Expected arrival still Nov 3rd though.

Hm...
 

widgeteer

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Still no shipment notification yet. Both my Xs are say "preparing to ship". Expected arrival still Nov 3rd though.

Hm...

Did you order through Apple or a carrier? I notice the X I ordered through VZW has shipped, I have tracking info. The one through Apple.com is still "preparing to ship".
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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I still think FaceID was replacing something that was in no need of being replaced. TouchID is just about becoming accomplished and now we are being told it’s being phased out. Bizarre. I think Apple were keen to implement a unique feature that worked better than the competition and this has turned into pretty much the main selling point of the iPhone X.

I’ve watched quite a few of the hands on vids and the phone itself looks nice as you’d expect from an iPhone, but it’s not amazing IMO. Unless you are very excited for FaceID then the advantages of getting this device are pretty thin on the ground. Some people absolutely buzz for OLED and people like myself aren’t bothered either way. Once you’ve sent an animated emoji to a couple of your mates I do wonder have often this will be used too? For me it would probably be about as often as I check the stocks app or use the compass.

The iPhone 8 may be the same boring design but at the end of the day I guess you’re going to get the same experience from it. It would certainly be my upgrade this year as I’m yet to feel the buzz for this anniversary edition iPhone. I’d appreciate it more no doubt if it wasn’t going to cost over £2k on contract.
 
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You're right, but I would add the OTHER key is what the end user wants to do to get the feature to work. You can initiate touchID without looking at the device or if it is far away from its face. So the failure rate doesn't tell the whole story because the failure rate of FaceID is lower under a very small set of parameters.

Maybe. You can initiate touch ID without looking at the device but the intention in that scenario is that you're unlocking it to look at the device, no? I agree that those in the habit of checking their phone on a table top may have to adjust, but that's really no different than Android devices with FPS on the back of the phone.
 

AustinIllini

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Maybe. You can initiate touch ID without looking at the device but the intention in that scenario is that you're unlocking it to look at the device, no? I agree that those in the habit of checking their phone on a table top may have to adjust, but that's really no different than Android devices with FPS on the back of the phone.
Happens more than I care to admit. Prime example is when I'm trying to be discreet.
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I still think FaceID was replacing something that was in no need of being replaced. TouchID is just about becoming accomplished and now we are being told it’s being phased out. Bizarre. I think Apple were keen to implement a unique feature that worked better than the competition and this has turned into pretty much the main selling point of the iPhone X.

I’ve watched quite a few of the hands on vids and the phone itself looks nice as you’d expect from an iPhone, but it’s not amazing IMO. Unless you are very excited for FaceID then the advantages of getting this device are pretty thin on the ground. Some people absolutely buzz for OLED and people like myself aren’t bothered either way. Once you’ve sent an animated emoji to a couple of your mates I do wonder have often this will be used too? For me it would probably be about as often as I check the stocks app or use the compass.

The iPhone 8 may be the same boring design but at the end of the day I guess you’re going to get the same experience from it. It would certainly be my upgrade this year as I’m yet to feel the buzz for this anniversary edition iPhone. I’d appreciate it more no doubt if it wasn’t going to cost over £2k on contract.
This is a really good summation of the opinion of most of the experts. It's in new (very very nice) clothes, but this is still another iteration of the same iPhone.

And reading between the lines makes it pretty clear Apple is going to release an edge-to-edge version of the plus model in coming years. iPhone X shares its DNA with the smaller device.
 
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