Do you plan to switch from iPhone to Android? (2016)

[AustinIllini]

Ironic. I used to dislike Apple. And had blackberry for many years. My 4 year old blackberry died at the same time the company did. I did my own shootout and Apple won. Never looked back.

Three MacBook pros one with Touch bar (which is ingenious), apple tv, two iPads later and a 50 person family with iPhones I’m not going to android(and no more Samsung products for me; company that really engages in p/o). Can’t imagine arguing about which texting software lol.

But to each their own views.

That's cute. The flaw in this is that you never looked back. In doing so you have ignored an Android OS that has passed iOS in nearly every category.

This description isn't far from "I just deal with it because I wasted a boatload of money on Apple products).

By the way, I'm not sure what year you think it is, but even if you include Samsung, there are multiple superior offerings in Android over iPhone

 

[Zaft]

This is exactly why I switched from iPhone/Apple watch to Note 8/Gear S3 this year. They honestly need to get their s___ together with the increasingly wonky software. I don't understand why tech reviewers continue to gush over products like the overpriced gimmicky touchbar MacBook Pro, under-powered MacBook, and over-priced, under-specced, notched iPhone X. I used to be Apple's biggest fan, steering friends, family, and acquaintances to their products without reservation but things have really gone downhill since around the time of the 5S. Skimping on features, storage, RAM, etc. I'm just surprised more people don't feel the same way. I still have my MBA from 2014, iPad Pro, several aging Apple TV's, and a Time Capsule but I'm planning on branching out as they become obsolete as I'm really getting sick of their business model - "less for more".

Most people are not tech nerds. They dont care... They care about messaging, emojis and social media.

Android sucks for messages, which is why people gravitate towards IOS and imessage.

 

[mikef07]

That's cute. The flaw in this is that you never looked back. In doing so you have ignored an Android OS that has passed iOS in nearly every category.

This description isn't far from "I just deal with it because I wasted a boatload of money on Apple products).

By the way, I'm not sure what year you think it is, but even if you include Samsung, there are multiple superior offerings in Android over iPhone

I am still trying to figure out where Android has passed IOS in every category.

Calling App - Apples is better simply because you can access visual voicemail from every screen and go into Facetime while on a call.
Facetime- As good as any Android App
Browser - I'll take Safari over the Samsung Browser and most Android fans would take the Samsung Browser over Chrome
Messages - Not even close. IOS by a mile
Photos- Tie. Both are done very well.
Memory and Battery Management - I'll take OS
Security- IOS again
Calendar, Email, Stocks- Tie. All are done pretty well.
Weather - Ill take IOS
Maps - Android

If you gave me the choice to choose any apps I want assuming you could get either app on either platform the only thing I would choose over the IOS counterpart is Maps. Even then I can get google maps for IOS.

 

[I7guy]

That's cute. The flaw in this is that you never looked back. In doing so you have ignored an Android OS that has passed iOS in nearly every category.

This description isn't far from "I just deal with it because I wasted a boatload of money on Apple products).

By the way, I'm not sure what year you think it is, but even if you include Samsung, there are multiple superior offerings in Android over iPhone

That android has surpassed iOS is subjective at best. And from some of the comments on this forum it sounds like some “just deal” with android. But some nice rhetoric in that post.

 

[timeconsumer]

Ironic. I used to dislike Apple. And had blackberry for many years. My 4 year old blackberry died at the same time the company did. I did my own shootout and Apple won. Never looked back.

Three MacBook pros one with Touch bar (which is ingenious), apple tv, two iPads later and a 50 person family with iPhones I’m not going to android(and no more Samsung products for me; company that really engages in p/o). Can’t imagine arguing about which texting software lol.

But to each their own views.

I used to be 100% all about Apple and embraced their ecosystem. However, I had to move away because their direction they are going isn't working for me any more. Messaging is the biggest issue on Android currently. Instead of trying to fix it Google just keeps making more chat apps.

That said, I can't wait until iMessage dies, we need cross-platform solutions, not proprietary. Apple is all about proprietary and in my opinion, the only winner in proprietary is the company with the loser being the customers.

 

[widgeteer]

I used to be 100% all about Apple and embraced their ecosystem. However, I had to move away because their direction they are going isn't working for me any more. Messaging is the biggest issue on Android currently. Instead of trying to fix it Google just keeps making more chat apps.

That said, I can't wait until iMessage dies, we need cross-platform solutions, not proprietary. Apple is all about proprietary and in my opinion, the only winner in proprietary is the company with the loser being the customers.

I don't understand this argument. Apple built a better mousetrap, and people prefer it. How are those folks losing out? In fact, iMessage is meant for cross platform - it supports SMS, which most messaging apps do not. Any non-iOS user can message any iOS user without hassle.

 

[I7guy]

I used to be 100% all about Apple and embraced their ecosystem. However, I had to move away because their direction they are going isn't working for me any more. Messaging is the biggest issue on Android currently. Instead of trying to fix it Google just keeps making more chat apps.

That said, I can't wait until iMessage dies, we need cross-platform solutions, not proprietary. Apple is all about proprietary and in my opinion, the only winner in proprietary is the company with the loser being the customers.

Not sure I understand why you think iMessage should “die”. And while it may be nice if Apple opened up iMessage, I don’t see that ever happening.

That said, you should pick the phone and software you feel comfortable with.

 

[widgeteer]

Not sure I understand why you think iMessage should “die”. And while it may be nice if Apple opened up iMessage, I don’t see that ever happening.

That said, you should pick the phone and software you feel comfortable with.

Here's the thing: what is the real value to non-iOS folks to opening up iMessage? If you're on Android and a friend has an iPhone, odds are you either text them or already use another app. iMessage to a non-iOS user simply becomes yet one more messaging app that only some of their contacts would use.

This is what Apple, correctly, perceives as the advantage to using an iPhone if you love iMessage. You have a native messaging app that reduces the need for multiple apps.

 

[jamezr]

I don't understand this argument. Apple built a better mousetrap, and people prefer it. How are those folks losing out? In fact, iMessage is meant for cross platform - it supports SMS, which most messaging apps do not. Any non-iOS user can message any iOS user without hassle.

Not sure about that......Apple did not build a better mousetrap...that is pretty subjective. Thye do some thing really well....and some things not so well.

But iMessage is not cross platform at all. Can you install it on an Android phone? No.....but it does use a standard protocol to send data that allows it to be received on other devices that uses that same standard protocol? yes.....so the standardized protocol is able to send to all devices that use the protocol....but Imessage is not cross platform as an app....

 

[AustinIllini]

I am still trying to figure out where Android has passed IOS in every category.

Calling App - Apples is better simply because you can access visual voicemail from every screen and go into Facetime while on a call. I appreciate this functionality, but the likelihood of one doing it is low considering phone calls are no longer a big deal and video apps vary.
Facetime- As good as any Android App Comparing an OS by Apps is silly. There are third party apps both devices share that are better. Difference is, on Android you can change your default app to something else.
Browser - I'll take Safari over the Samsung Browser and most Android fans would take the Samsung Browser over Chrome This is actually an iOS problem. Android is better at allowing multiple Browsers. All Apple does is let companies skin Safari. Samsung, Chrome are both better on Android than safari is on anything. Also, on Android, you can change the default browser.
Messages - Not even close. IOS by a mile Conceded.
Photos- Tie. Both are done very well. No one thinks Apple Photos is superior to Google Photos
Memory and Battery Management - I'll take OS Android, you mean.
Security- IOS again Android is as secure, but bloat has hurt the OEMs
Calendar, Email, Stocks- Tie. All are done pretty well. On what planet is any email platform better than GMAIL? Also, Calendars from Google works on iOS, so you get interoperability.
Weather - Ill take IOS Google tells me tomorrow's weather in the evening, which is the most useful part of weather on either OS. Android better.
Maps - Android

If you gave me the choice to choose any apps I want assuming you could get either app on either platform the only thing I would choose over the IOS counterpart is Maps. Even then I can get google maps for IOS.

In your myopic dreams, iOS is on the level with Android. You conveniently leave out Android's superior assistant and Android's actual handling of notifications. Android runs laps around Apple in both fields.

The only thing that keeps Apple in the feature fight anymore is the ability to use Google services on iOS (ie Google Assistant) and a strong App base. Otherwise, it's not particularly close.

 

[mikef07]

In your myopic dreams, iOS is on the level with Android. You conveniently leave out Android's superior assistant and Android's actual handling of notifications. Android runs laps around Apple in both fields.

The only thing that keeps Apple in the feature fight anymore is the ability to use Google services on iOS (ie Google Assistant) and a strong App base. Otherwise, it's not particularly close.

Sorry but most disagree with almost all your . points. Both handle notifications equally as well. Assistant does what I need it to. As I said most IOS users I know who have a choice to use the default apps or some other app almost always and would almost always use the default IOS apps with no issues. In other words you are flat out wrong as shown by the choices people make.

You can still use a gmail address with the mail app.

You fail to understand how the majority of the masses use their phone. Period. Photos for example. You fail to realize most simply use photos to take picture, touch up a few minor things, and either post to social media and/or text and IOS is superior when texting and pretty much the same when posting to social media.

Email app same thing. Forward, reply or send message regardless of email address.

Phone app. Make call, add party, switch to facetime, check messages. IOS is superior.

Weather - Check today, tomorrow, next day, a few hours ahead. Pretty much even.

Battery in 6 months? Not even close. IOS by a mile.

Thanks for the laugh on the browser. Samsung Browser was the worst experience I ever had on a mobile device. 6 different iphones and I have never had an issue on Safari

I didn't even cover music or videos. Better on IOS again.

The whole point is that for the power user who wants to customize you probably do have a better experience on Android. Apple is going after people more like me. Basic users who just want things to work. They do an excellent job of that. When I want to message someone I want to open up my default message app, add a few people and send a picture, video, or message with no degrading. Very simple with imessage. Without and it gets more complicated. It is why you see people remain loyal to Apple and move back to Apple. I certainly do see a migration of power users to Android and I get why.

 

[AustinIllini]

Sorry but most disagree with almost all your . points. Both handle notifications equally as well. Assistant does what I need it to. As I said most IOS users I know who have a choice to use the default apps or some other app almost always and would almost always use the default IOS apps with no issues. In other words you are flat out wrong as shown by the choices people make. No one believes this. Android is lauded for its superior notification system.

You can still use a gmail address with the mail app. Poor user experience. Better off downloading the Gmail app, at which point, you might as well just be on Android.

You fail to understand how the majority of the masses use their phone. Period. Photos for example. You fail to realize most simply use photos to take picture, touch up a few minor things, and either post to social media and/or text and IOS is superior when texting and pretty much the same when posting to social media. Google Photos (for free) uploads your photos to the cloud (for $0) and works in the background. Heck, on Android, it can be your default photos app. Photos is barely integrating and a complete cluster.

Email app same thing. Forward, reply or send message regardless of email address. Without any of the intelligence of gmail.

Phone app. Make call, add party, switch to facetime, check messages. IOS is superior. Honestly, no one cares about this feature. That matters.

Weather - Check today, tomorrow, next day, a few hours ahead. Pretty much even Except I don't have to ask my phone to get the weather. It just gives it to me, so I always know. You're spinning your wheels.

I would say "agree to disagree" except you are objectively wrong. You're not making any valid points and making claims backed up by zero evidence. All of this is excluding just how bad iOS has been the last couple of releases. The .1's can't come out fast enough anymore.

 

[mikef07]

I would say "agree to disagree" except you are objectively wrong. You're not making any valid points and making claims backed up by zero evidence. All of this is excluding just how bad iOS has been the last couple of releases. The .1's can't come out fast enough anymore.

The evidence is what people use. Like I said stick your head in the sand.

I don't know one person that downloads the gmail app. Not one and almost all have a gmail address.

No one cares about the calling feature except parents, grandparents, brother, sisters, etc. I see family members use this all the time.

As I said you have no clue how the masses use photos.

Apple goes after the kids, housewives, family men, and basic users. You can tell by their marketing and their offerings. They aren't trying to go after the person who wants to tweak everything. I bet if you asked 20 of my family members what IOS they are on you might get 1 or 2 who actually know.

 

[AustinIllini]

The evidence is what people use. Like I said stick your head in the sand.

Thank you! I knew you'd come to my side. If evidence is what people use, the verdict is out. Have fun in the iOS walled garden.

 

[mikef07]

Thank you! I knew you'd come to my side. If evidence is what people use, the verdict is out. Have fun in the iOS walled garden.

Again you did not understand what I said. People who use IOS don't use the gmail app most of the time. They use default app. People that text use imessage most of the time. People that use IOS mostly use safari, not some third party browser. Again understand the target market.

I completely understand why more people buy Android phones. The cost to entry is much less and that matters when dealing with the incomes of most countries. It is the same reason why folgers sells more coffee than some boutique producer who charges 3x as much yet no one would mistake folgers as being the best.

 

[AustinIllini]

Again you did not understand what I said. People who use IOS don't use the gmail app most of the time. They use default app. People that text use imessage most of the time. People that use IOS mostly use safari, not some third party browser. Again understand the target market.

The target market is "The whole world" and Android is winning. That was your argument. That's over.

 

[mikef07]

The target market is "The whole world" and Android is winning. That was your argument. That's over.

You don't comprehend what you read. I got it. If you think that is the target market of Apple so be it. Thanks for the laugh. Apple is like Nordstrom. Android is like Walmart.

Apple wants to appeal to the masses who can afford the luxury of the product. They realize people want simple and streamlined. They don't want to fiddle with things and just want it to work. For an update they don't want to learn a bunch of new stuff.

Like I said they want to open up a message app, send a text and/or picture to whomever and be done. They don't want to have to figure out which message app to use based on the people they send it to.

 

[AustinIllini]

You don't comprehend what you read. I got it. If you think that is the target market of Apple so be it. Thanks for the laugh. Apple is like Nordstrom. Android is like Walmart. Good analogy. You can get things the quality of Nordstrom at Walmart for a quarter of the price.

Apple wants to appeal to the masses who can afford the luxury of the product. They realize people want simple and streamlined. They don't want to fiddle with things and just want it to work. For an update they don't want to learn a bunch of new stuff. That is debateable. They want market share and continue to push in small markets. Apple of 5 years ago was "Look, we support our iPhones for 5 years!". Now Apple is more like "Look, we albatross performance of our 2 year old phones!". Again, 3 years ago I agreed with you, but Apple has changed.

Like I said they want to open up a message app, send a text and/or picture to whomever and be done. They don't want to have to figure out which message app to use based on the people they send it to. and yet Facebook Messenger is wildly successful on all platforms

Sorry, this is just spinning in circles. You're not making a solid point and your analogies are too good for the points you're trying to make.

 

[mikef07]

Sorry, this is just spinning in circles. You're not making a solid point and your analogies are too good for the points you're trying to make.

If you think Walmart provides the same quality as Nordstrom then it is pointless to discuss. Thanks fo showing me your line of thinking. I have seen what I need to.

If you don't understand Apple's target markets then I get why you think how you do. Again mistaken and certainly your right.

Finally if you don't understand why Apple does not support their phones for 5 years anymore and more like 2 or 3 you don't get their target market.

 

[Zaft]

You don't comprehend what you read. I got it. If you think that is the target market of Apple so be it. Thanks for the laugh. Apple is like Nordstrom. Android is like Walmart.

Apple wants to appeal to the masses who can afford the luxury of the product. They realize people want simple and streamlined. They don't want to fiddle with things and just want it to work. For an update they don't want to learn a bunch of new stuff.

Like I said they want to open up a message app, send a text and/or picture to whomever and be done. They don't want to have to figure out which message app to use based on the people they send it to.

I agree with your points. My dad has an iPhone 6 and he was explaining to me how someone sent him a photo with airdrop.
He was floored by it lol.

His 6 is running slow, so I recommended the 8 because the X would simply confuse him I think.

 

[jamezr]

I agree with your points. My dad has an iPhone 6 and he was explaining to me how someone sent him a photo with airdrop.
He was floored by it lol.

His 6 is running slow, so I recommended the 8 because the X would simply confuse him I think.

so his 6 is running slow on IOS 11...but ran pretty well with older versions?

 

[mikef07]

I agree with your points. My dad has an iPhone 6 and he was explaining to me how someone sent him a photo with airdrop.
He was floored by it lol.

His 6 is running slow, so I recommended the 8 because the X would simply confuse him I think.

Their target market. A basic user (like myself), who is willing to pay a premium, who wants to do a few things like call, message, some internet, some email, etc. Doesn't want massive changes where he has to learn something completely new.

 

[Radon87000]

You don't comprehend what you read. I got it. If you think that is the target market of Apple so be it. Thanks for the laugh. Apple is like Nordstrom. Android is like Walmart.

Apple wants to appeal to the masses who can afford the luxury of the product. They realize people want simple and streamlined. They don't want to fiddle with things and just want it to work. For an update they don't want to learn a bunch of new stuff.

Like I said they want to open up a message app, send a text and/or picture to whomever and be done. They don't want to have to figure out which message app to use based on the people they send it to.

iMessage only has a huge market share in the US though. Outside the US, it’s WhatsApp and that advantage goes out of the window.

As far as iOS goes, sometimes I have found that they dumb things down to the point that it can become a usability problem. I found both equal as as ease of use go. With iOS 11 and it’s weird control centre I find Android has become more intuitive in a lot of areas. And the ability to use default apps is a very useful feature and I would love it if it came to iOS because Apple’s Services are nowhere close to Google outside the US and customers pretty much have to go Google.

 

[v0lume4]

Weather - Ill take IOS

Whoa, whoa, whoa good sport.

Nothing beats the Android frog.

He wants an apology.

edit -- Had to remove my location from the screenshot. Woops!!

 

[Zaft]

so his 6 is running slow on IOS 11...but ran pretty well with older versions?

Hes actually on IOS 10.