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Are you going to switch?

  • Yes

    Votes: 92 24.8%
  • No, staying with iPhone

    Votes: 175 47.2%
  • No, I'll go with another platform

    Votes: 3 0.8%
  • Considering it

    Votes: 101 27.2%

  • Total voters
    371
How much longer? How big is the battery? What is the screen on time, stand by time?
I'll make it simple. It will beat every iPhone underneath it in each metric you posted, guaranteed. That's all the average consumer including me wants. I don't care for the exact spec value. As long as it beats every other iPhone I am satisfied

There isn't in my opinion and I buy what I think is best.
The best phone according to the company from which you buy your phone has an OLED display. This is the final nail in the coffin for LCD as Apple expands to other suppliers apart from Samsung and we get the 5.8 OLED iPhone Edition and 6.4 OLED iPhone Pro Edition next year as Apple phases out LCD once they get the required yields out of OLED.

I have been saying this since last year and it still holds true. LCD is on life support in Appleland. Once the 5.8 inch and 6.4 inch OLED iPhones are out in 2018, 2019 will be when the iPad starts getting bezelless OLED displays which matches the rumors as yields stabilise just in time for my iPad upgrade

his the same guy you accused of tampering with YouTube videos?
Its the same guy whose channel you have subcribed to and claimed to be objective in his analysis

Can i Authenticate Apple Pay? Can i authenticate App Store purchase? Can I authenticate to apps? If the answer is yes, I don't care about the method only that I can securely and easily.
Well then both FaceID and TouchID are unnecessary according to you as a credit card can easily do all of the above and a pin code is just as easy to enter.

FaceID is slower and less secure than TouchID. This is a statement you cannot debunk


It's surely apt for the iPhone x edition. It's the first real upgrade since 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016...

For the first time, Apple's removing its home button,going OLED and is almost matching the older Galaxies spec for spec hardware wise which hasn't happened ever since Tim Cook took over.

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I'll make it simple. It will beat every iPhone underneath it in each metric you posted, guaranteed. That's all the average consumer including me wants. I don't care for the exact spec value. As long as it beats every other iPhone I am satisfied
That's not the point whether a flagship "can beat" another flagship. The point is choice, I care about the specs as much as form and function. But it's pretty much gonna be the a11 is going to be awesome.

The best phone according to the company from which you buy your phone has an OLED display. This is the final nail in the coffin for LCD as Apple expands to other suppliers apart from Samsung and we get the 5.8 OLED iPhone Edition and 6.4 OLED iPhone Pro Edition next year as Apple phases out LCD once they get the required yields out of OLED.
The best phone is the phone I want to buy. LCD will be here on select Apple models as the coffin will take years to be buried.

I have been saying this since last year and it still holds true. LCD is on life support in Appleland. Once the 5.8 inch and 6.4 inch OLED iPhones are out in 2018, 2019 will be when the iPad starts getting bezelless OLED displays which matches the rumors as yields stabilise just in time for my iPad upgrade
Sure you have been saying this for at least four years and look what finally happened.:rolleyes: Oled will be around for less time Than LCD as better tech takes its place.

Its the same guy whose channel you have subcribed to and claimed to be objective in his analysis
You said he was biased but I'm saying his opinions is not my opinion.

Well then both FaceID and TouchID are unnecessary according to you as a credit card can easily do all of the above and a pin code is just as easy to enter.

FaceID is slower and less secure than TouchID. This is a statement you cannot debunk
Your leaping to conclusions. My stance is you haven't read apples white paper on security so you can't comment. That's much different than claiming I said something I didn't.

For the first time, Apple's removing its home button,going OLED and is almost matching the older Galaxies spec for spec hardware wise which hasn't happened ever since Tim Cook took over.
Actually hardware wise Apple socs have been besting galaxy's for years; where it counts. And Tim gave android an heart attack in 2013 when 64 bit was introduced.
 
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KGI: iPhone 8 cost higher due to Samsung controlling OLED, no Touch ID due to 3D Touch

... KGI believes the pressure sensitive display technology is likely why Apple is believed to have abandoned Touch ID on the OLED iPhone. While Apple was originally aiming to embed Touch ID under the display according to reports, KGI believes that OLED creates an unfavorable scan-through performance for the fingerprint sensor.

In place of Touch ID, which will likely go away in favor of a nearly bezel-less display, Apple is expected to rely on facial recognition features exclusively on the new high end iPhone.



If this article is true, not only does Apple want OLED, they want it so much that they were willing to sacrifice Touch ID.

Gotta say, once again, 3D Touch just doesn't seem like it's worth the trouble. It literally costs Apple more money to include and forces them to sacrifice another staple feature. 3D Touch's worth is especially questionable when you consider most of the pressure sensitive features have already been figured out via software, without any complicated and expensive hardware technology.

Will Apple implement Touch ID on the back... or ever again? I wonder if this is the same reason Samsung couldn't get it to work, too. They are using OLED panels after all.

I also wonder, if people had to pick, would they choose to keep 3D Touch or Touch ID?
 
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KGI: iPhone 8 cost higher due to Samsung controlling OLED, no Touch ID due to 3D Touch

... KGI believes the pressure sensitive display technology is likely why Apple is believed to have abandoned Touch ID on the OLED iPhone. While Apple was originally aiming to embed Touch ID under the display according to reports, KGI believes that OLED creates an unfavorable scan-through performance for the fingerprint sensor.

In place of Touch ID, which will likely go away in favor of a nearly bezel-less display, Apple is expected to rely on facial recognition features exclusively on the new high end iPhone.



If this article is true, not only does Apple want OLED, they want it so much that they were willing to sacrifice Touch ID.

Gotta say, once again, 3D Touch just doesn't seem like it's worth the trouble. It literally costs Apple more money to include and forces them to sacrifice another staple feature. 3D Touch's worth is especially questionable when you consider most of the pressure sensitive features have already been figured out via software, without any complicated and expensive hardware technology.

Will Apple implement Touch ID on the back... or ever again? I wonder if this is the same reason Samsung couldn't get it to work, too. They are using OLED panels after all.

I also wonder, if people had to pick, would they choose to keep 3D Touch or Touch ID?
Well that has just confirmed it for me, I don't want an iPhone 8. 3D Touch is almost second nature to me and I use it every time I use my phone. I don't want OLED that bad either. Hopefully LCD will be around keeping the options cheaper for the next few years at least.
 
Installed iOS 11 on my 7 Plus for the first time and lag everywhere. There is actually a 2 second delay when I press the home button to quit an app. That's right both the 3GB of RAM and the A10 and its GPU brought to its knees by Apple yet again. Good thing I don't use Peek and Pop or 3DT right click as even those animations are starting to stutter. I bet neither the 7S nor the 8 will have these problems

No Android upgrade ever goes this bad for me. This is starting to be a habit with these annual iOS updates. I am not upgrading past 10.3.3 this time no matter what.
 
Installed iOS 11 on my 7 Plus for the first time and lag everywhere. There is actually a 2 second delay when I press the home button to quit an app. Good thing I don't use Peek and Pop or 3DT right click as even those animations are starting to stutter. I bet neither the 7S nor the 8 will have these problems

No Android upgrade ever goes this bad for me. This is starting to be a habit with these annual iOS updates. I am not upgrading past 10.3.3 this time no matter what.

Yeah, I noticed it on my iPad. I wouldn't say lag on my end, though, but some unexpected stutters.
 
Yeah, I noticed it on my iPad. I wouldn't say lag on my end, though, but some unexpected stutters.
iOS 11 screwed up my 7 Plus worse than the iOS 9 did to my iPhone 6. TouchID speed has slowed down.Almost every animation has frame rate drops.

The absolute worst is when I frequently close and quit apps and theres a 2 second delay which is exclusive to the 7 series due to its solid state home button. Its basically unusable to me thanks to this delay. I noticed it immediately coming from 10.3.3.

It baffles me how older iPhones are so badly affected by newer iOS versions. And its not like iOS 11 has that many new features for iPhones apart from the redesign. My Moto G4 got updated to Nougat and its speed remained the same as it was on Marshmallow
 
KGI: iPhone 8 cost higher due to Samsung controlling OLED, no Touch ID due to 3D Touch

... KGI believes the pressure sensitive display technology is likely why Apple is believed to have abandoned Touch ID on the OLED iPhone. While Apple was originally aiming to embed Touch ID under the display according to reports, KGI believes that OLED creates an unfavorable scan-through performance for the fingerprint sensor.

In place of Touch ID, which will likely go away in favor of a nearly bezel-less display, Apple is expected to rely on facial recognition features exclusively on the new high end iPhone.



If this article is true, not only does Apple want OLED, they want it so much that they were willing to sacrifice Touch ID.

Gotta say, once again, 3D Touch just doesn't seem like it's worth the trouble. It literally costs Apple more money to include and forces them to sacrifice another staple feature. 3D Touch's worth is especially questionable when you consider most of the pressure sensitive features have already been figured out via software, without any complicated and expensive hardware technology.

Will Apple implement Touch ID on the back... or ever again? I wonder if this is the same reason Samsung couldn't get it to work, too. They are using OLED panels after all.

I also wonder, if people had to pick, would they choose to keep 3D Touch or Touch ID?

So when Samsung introduce the finger print sensor under their OLED screens next year... Koh will look like an idiot. Not that he hasn't been wrong before..
 
Well that has just confirmed it for me, I don't want an iPhone 8. 3D Touch is almost second nature to me and I use it every time I use my phone. I don't want OLED that bad either. Hopefully LCD will be around keeping the options cheaper for the next few years at least.

After the 7S models this year, I'm not sure we'll see LCD in any future iPhones. Except maybe an update to the SE possibly?
 
They destroyed the 7 Plus with this release. Theres no mincing words on its state this late in the game. Now I have to go through all the trouble of restoring everything after I wipe it.
 
After the 7S models this year, I'm not sure we'll see LCD in any future iPhones. Except maybe an update to the SE possibly?
As long as it doesn't carry a premium I don't care. I would hope by next year when Apple get over the fact OLED isn't new like they are bound to advertise, they might bring pricing back down to sensible levels.
 
Have you installed the actual release version or the last beta update?
The beta which released just now. But the GM version is not going to change anything as its just 6 days away. I can stand the stutters but I cant stand that maddening home button delay. On iOS 10 it was instant while on iOS 11 it takes 2 seconds to quit. I can actually cancel my quit app action by double tapping into the app switcher before it quits. After tapping on the address bar in Safari the keyboard no longer pops up instantly like it used to. The entire phone is sluggish.
 
The beta which released just now. But the GM version is not going to change anything as its just 6 days away. I can stand the stutters but I cant stand that maddening home button delay. On iOS 10 it was instant while on iOS 11 it takes 2 seconds to quit. I can actually cancel my quit app action by double tapping into the app switcher before it quits. After tapping on the address bar in Safari the keyboard no longer pops up instantly like it used to. The entire phone is sluggish.
Apple are usually pretty good at addressing issues quickly with software so I wouldn't panic just yet. I never install a first update for this reason.
 
They also removed the taptic feedback which I used to get when I dropped down the notification centre or swiped up the control centre. I really liked that feeling in hand and it was another point of diffrentiation between the 6s and the 7. iOS 11 needs another 5 months before its ready
 
The beta which released just now. But the GM version is not going to change anything as its just 6 days away. I can stand the stutters but I cant stand that maddening home button delay. On iOS 10 it was instant while on iOS 11 it takes 2 seconds to quit. I can actually cancel my quit app action by double tapping into the app switcher before it quits. After tapping on the address bar in Safari the keyboard no longer pops up instantly like it used to. The entire phone is sluggish.

Sounds like you have something corrupt in your software somewhere. I’ve been running the beta on my 7 Plus since beta 5 with none of the issues you’re having. It was certainly buggier a few versions back but my incidents were generally limited to a occasion frozen screen rotation, rare app closure or a respring or two. Over last couple versions, my performance has been quite smooth and battery life feels like it’s gotten noticeably better (wasn’t so great on earlier beta versions).

It’s been even better on my iPP 12.9 (1st gen).

Best of luck with the restore.
 
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As long as it doesn't carry a premium I don't care. I would hope by next year when Apple get over the fact OLED isn't new like they are bound to advertise, they might bring pricing back down to sensible levels.

I hope so, too. I believe prices will (and must) come down. Apple has reportedly been trying to expand their OLED suppliers to LG, a Japanese company, and I believe they've even invested in their own OLED making machines (or something...). I have to believe all this will help with bringing down the prices.

They're also expected to introduce a Plus model to the OLED iPhone next year.
 
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Always on Display works fine on devices with LCD screens too. The G6 has AOD and achieved same battery life as the S8.

So many of the claims and assumptions laboured on AMOLED are often not bore out in actual practice.

I've explained many times about how sub pixel technology works and the benefits of one over the other. At the moment what we have is a lot of people turning subjective preferences into proclamations of definitive fact, whilst ignoring the science and technology behind it which does not coincide with their preferential viewpoint.

Until we have full RGB subpixel OLED and no longer reliant on pentile or diamond matrix then this discussion continues to be based on personal preference.

Yet despite science and engineering these forums continue to essentially follow the same 'the best' is what I prefer methodology and what is ever flavour of the moment.

This year it's all about OLED screens and the presumptions that they are automatically better without understanding how technology works and a focus only on the benefits of the technology and ignoring or overlooking the negatives of the technology.

Likewise 2017 is also the year of the anti-bezel bandwagon.

How bright is a LCD screen with always on display. I can have a pitch black picture taking up my entire iPhone screen, and it's still pretty bright in the dark. In fact in the dark that black picture has an awful contrast ratio because it is backlit. It's just my opinion, but always on display and LCD don't belong in the same sentence.

I also am FULLY for the anti bezel bandwagon, WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Smaller phone, larger screen!!
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I don't think Apple is going with OLED because they've decided it's perfect. Just that it's better.

And for sure, they'll adapt once something even better than OLED comes along.

I don't think it makes much sense to think otherwise. Reports state that Samsung is charging them a heck of a lot for those OLED panels, much more than they pay for the LCD ones. They are passing this along in raising the price on the ip8, not to increase profit from the reports I've read. I don't think Apple would willingly do this if it didn't believe that OLED was the way forward.
 
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KGI: iPhone 8 cost higher due to Samsung controlling OLED, no Touch ID due to 3D Touch

... KGI believes the pressure sensitive display technology is likely why Apple is believed to have abandoned Touch ID on the OLED iPhone. While Apple was originally aiming to embed Touch ID under the display according to reports, KGI believes that OLED creates an unfavorable scan-through performance for the fingerprint sensor.

In place of Touch ID, which will likely go away in favor of a nearly bezel-less display, Apple is expected to rely on facial recognition features exclusively on the new high end iPhone.



If this article is true, not only does Apple want OLED, they want it so much that they were willing to sacrifice Touch ID.

Gotta say, once again, 3D Touch just doesn't seem like it's worth the trouble. It literally costs Apple more money to include and forces them to sacrifice another staple feature. 3D Touch's worth is especially questionable when you consider most of the pressure sensitive features have already been figured out via software, without any complicated and expensive hardware technology.

Will Apple implement Touch ID on the back... or ever again? I wonder if this is the same reason Samsung couldn't get it to work, too. They are using OLED panels after all.

I also wonder, if people had to pick, would they choose to keep 3D Touch or Touch ID?
I'd rather have Touch ID than 3D Touch. I've said this from the start and I'll keep on saying it. 3D Touch is no better than long press.
 
Sounds like you have something corrupt in your software somewhere. I’ve been running the beta on my 7 Plus since beta 5 with none of the issues you’re having. It was certainly buggier a few versions back but my incidents were generally limited to a occasion frozen screen rotation, rare app closure or a respring or two. Over last couple versions, my performance has been quite smooth and battery life feels like it’s gotten noticeably better (wasn’t so great on earlier beta versions).

It’s been even better on my iPP 12.9 (1st gen).

Best of luck with the restore.

I just did a fresh install and it still isn’t as good as 10.3.3 in performance. When you press the home button does it go to the home screen simultaneously as you finish clicking or is there a delay? If it’s a delay your phone is not performing as it should

Anyway I like the redesign but it’s not worth the performance hit.
 
How bright is a LCD screen with always on display. I can have a pitch black picture taking up my entire iPhone screen, and it's still pretty bright in the dark. In fact in the dark that black picture has an awful contrast ratio because it is backlit. It's just my opinion, but always on display and LCD don't belong in the same sentence.

I also am FULLY for the anti bezel bandwagon, WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Smaller phone, larger screen!!
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I don't think it makes much sense to think otherwise. Reports state that Samsung is charging them a heck of a lot for those OLED panels, much more than they pay for the LCD ones. They are passing this along in raising the price on the ip8, not to increase profit from the reports I've read. I don't think Apple would willingly do this if it didn't believe that OLED was the way forward.

I also don’t think they are giving Apple the very best displays they use on their own phones. It’s time Apple actually started developing displays themselves.
 
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This year it's all about OLED screens and the presumptions that they are automatically better without understanding how technology works and a focus only on the benefits of the technology and ignoring or overlooking the negatives of the technology.
Except review sites like Displaymate are rating the AMOLED panels in the Samsung Note 8 as the best screen they have ever tested with Data to back it up. Even without full RGB the latest Samsung Panels are besting other displays in all areas. Its really the end of the argument as far as i'm concerned.
 
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