Do you plan to switch from iPhone to Android? (2016)

[Radon87000]

It looks like it'll be Samsung's OLED display tech all the way until 2019, basically until LG can get OLED production up and running to help Apple with supply. And the cost of Samsung being the sole supplier of top quality OLED panels? High prices that get passed onto the customer, not just for the higher-part costs, but to make sure Apple's profit margins are nicely padded.


From 9to5 Mac:

Report: Apple and LG aiming for 2019 to reach deal for iPhone OLED panels

So they expect greater yields in 2019. Until something better comes along, OLED is going to be around and in Apple flagship devices for years to come.

And from The Verge:

Apple in ‘urgent’ need of finding iPhone OLED supplier besides Samsung

Kuo estimates that Apple is paying between $120 and $130 per unit, which is a significant hike up from the approximate $45 to $55 cost of each 5.5-inch LCD for the iPhone 7 Plus. Apple is certainly going to be passing that cost on to consumers — and then some. The New York Times recently reported that the iPhone 8 is likely to start at a price of around $1,000. Fancier screens certainly play a part in that, as do the facial recognition capabilities rumored for the phone and Apple’s pursuit of high profit margins.

Kuo says Apple is “in urgent need of finding a second source of OLED,” which would take some of that bargaining power away from Samsung’s display unit (which is separate from Samsung Mobile). It would also help resolve supply constraints; it’s expected that the iPhone 8 will be hard to come by during its initial launch phase in the coming weeks.

LG is the obvious go-to, and the Korea Economic Daily reported in July that Apple is pumping over $2 billion into LG Display to secure OLED panels for future iPhones.




I continue to argue that Apple fell behind the game, and now the customers are the ones that will have to pay -- literally -- for it if they want Apple's new flagship.

I also worry about supply constraints and how that'll impact buyers. I think this has the potential to be the Pixel scenario x 1000 due to sheer demand.

I am sure the increased cost has more to do with Apple's profits than the increased cost. Remember how long the current bean counter CEO kept the base iPhone on 16GB when 32 gigs was just a couple of dollars more? If Sasung charges 2x for their panels, Apple will ensure 5x will get passed on to the end customer.

Just like how I have to pay $649 every couple of years for iPad upgrades when it was 499 earlier now I have to pay $1300 for what used to be a $969 upgrade. The iPad Air lineup and the 7S and 7S Plus lineup will stagnate with incremental updates

 

[epicrayban]

OLED isn't the future, QLED is as soon as we can figure out how to mass produce.

Isn't it always the future until something new and better comes along? Isn't that true of all new tech? I don't think anyone imagines OLED is forever.

What's QLED???

 

[Michael Goff]

Isn't it always the future until something new and better comes along? Isn't that true of all new tech? I don't think anyone imagines OLED is forever.

What's QLED???

Quantum Dot LED.

Also, I only said that because MRU said he wouldn't say it isn't the future. Personally, I see OLED as the present. It's here. Most phones use them.

 

[MRU]

Quantum Dot LED.

Also, I only said that because MRU said he wouldn't say it isn't the future. Personally, I see OLED as the present. It's here. Most phones use them.

Most phones actually still use LCD than OLED by a good margin.

But yes QLED or MicroLED will be vying for the future tech wise. As well as other tech that are in R&D labs that we haven't heard of yet.

 

[Michael Goff]

Most phones actually still use LCD than OLED by a good margin.

But yes QLED or MicroLED will be vying for the future tech wise. As well as other tech that are in R&D labs that we haven't heard of yet.

Yep.

That's the great thing about the future, it's always moving forward.

Also, didn't know that stat about OLED smartphones. Thanks.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

It looks like it'll be Samsung's OLED display tech all the way until 2019, basically until LG can get OLED production up and running to help Apple with supply. And the cost of Samsung being the sole supplier of top quality OLED panels? High prices that get passed onto the customer, not just for the higher-part costs, but to make sure Apple's profit margins are nicely padded.


From 9to5 Mac:

Report: Apple and LG aiming for 2019 to reach deal for iPhone OLED panels

So they expect greater yields in 2019. Until something better comes along, OLED is going to be around and in Apple flagship devices for years to come.

And from The Verge:

Apple in ‘urgent’ need of finding iPhone OLED supplier besides Samsung

Kuo estimates that Apple is paying between $120 and $130 per unit, which is a significant hike up from the approximate $45 to $55 cost of each 5.5-inch LCD for the iPhone 7 Plus. Apple is certainly going to be passing that cost on to consumers — and then some. The New York Times recently reported that the iPhone 8 is likely to start at a price of around $1,000. Fancier screens certainly play a part in that, as do the facial recognition capabilities rumored for the phone and Apple’s pursuit of high profit margins.

Kuo says Apple is “in urgent need of finding a second source of OLED,” which would take some of that bargaining power away from Samsung’s display unit (which is separate from Samsung Mobile). It would also help resolve supply constraints; it’s expected that the iPhone 8 will be hard to come by during its initial launch phase in the coming weeks.

LG is the obvious go-to, and the Korea Economic Daily reported in July that Apple is pumping over $2 billion into LG Display to secure OLED panels for future iPhones.



I continue to argue that Apple fell behind the game, and now the customers are the ones that will have to pay -- literally -- for it if they want Apple's new flagship.

I also worry about supply constraints and how that'll impact buyers. I think this has the potential to be the Pixel scenario x 1000 due to sheer demand.

I can't see it being a massive problem. If Apple are putting a huge premium on OLED prices then the demand won't be as high anyway. They'll be able to satisfy their core customers with the lower tier devices containing LCD displays. I have no doubt this year the 7S will be the best seller in many countries. Money talks with a lot of products and I think Apple are going to see stalled sales for their premium release in certain countries for a consecutive year.

 

[epicrayban]

I can't see it being a massive problem. If Apple are putting a huge premium on OLED prices then the demand won't be as high anyway. They'll be able to satisfy their core customers with the lower tier devices containing LCD displays. I have no doubt this year the 7S will be the best seller in many countries. Money talks with a lot of products and I think Apple are going to see stalled sales for their premium release in certain countries for a consecutive year.

That could certainly happen. We might be reaching a tipping point with premium flagship prices. I'm sure the high price will drive many away and towards the 7S models. Especially this year because it's a first generation redesign and Apple charges high premiums for first gen stuff, and probably because there's only one size option.

However, I still predict demand will be high regardless. If there's anything history has proven, it's that there are many Apple fans willing to spend the premium price for Apple products. And with such limited supply being predicted, it could be a problem.

 

[Radon87000]

That could certainly happen. We might be reaching a tipping point with premium flagship prices. I'm sure the high price will drive many away and towards the 7S models. Especially this year because it's a first generation redesign and Apple charges high premiums for first gen stuff, and probably because there's only one size option.

However, I still predict demand will be high regardless. If there's anything history has proven, it's that there are many Apple fans willing to spend the premium price for Apple products. And with such limited supply being predicted, it could be a problem.

Remember iPad sales increased when they came out with iPad Pro at a higher price. And that astronomical increase they'd had when they came out with the heavily redesigned iPhone 6 at the same price point. I bet Apple's trying to combine both the strategies this time around.

I still think Apple will sell as many iPhone 8 as the 7s. The verge wrote an article on this. With Apple's mindshare many people are going to believe Apple just invented bezel free oled phones come Tuesday and people will completely ignore the 7s for the 8

Apple has purposely not tweaked the 7s design or its features because they really want to lure customers to that radically redesigned product and once everyone is on board, discontinue the lower lineup forever. Inspire of the lower price point I am just not attracted to the 7s because of the 8.

 

[spinedoc77]

The G6 screen with AOD has great black levels and really even backlighting with no light bleed. Verging extremely close to AMOLED black. So it is dependent entirely on the quality of the panel and the backlight.

Interesting, good stuff to know. It's hard to tell on my 7 plus, there are no obvious light bleed areas but it just seems like light is coming through from the entire screen, even if the entire screen is blacked out with a pure black picture. It's fairly bright and can be used to illuminate close objects, and is definitely distracting at night. Contrast is horrible, black is more of a darkish grey. Is that considered light bleed? Does that mean Apple's iphones have poor panels and poor backlight quality?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I still think Apple will sell as many iPhone 8 as the 7s. The verge wrote an article on this. With Apple's mindshare many people are going to believe Apple just invented bezel free oled phones come Tuesday and people will completely ignore the 7s for the 8

Apple has purposely not tweaked the 7s design or its features because they really want to lure customers to that radically redesigned product and once everyone is on board, discontinue the lower lineup forever. Inspire of the lower price point I am just not attracted to the 7s because of the 8.

I don't think Apple would release a phone like the 7S and hope people don't buy it. It's going to be impossible to overlook it as it'll be advertised alongside the iPhone 8. Not everybody is in a position to afford the higher tier regardless of whether Apple see it that way. At that price point it's already on the back foot out of the two. I haven't seen the 7S yet so can't assume it's unchanged again. I'd be very surprised if they churned out a fourth generation iPhone 6 with a glass back.

 

[spinedoc77]

Yes they rate that particular display the best display on a device currently. I have never argued against the quality of Samsung's Super AMOLED screens.

But importantly and what people are constantly failing to understand or grasp is that even if that particular screen has been awarded the title by displaymate, it doesn't make a blanket statement that AMOLED is automatically better than LCD true which is what is asserted on this forum.

The constant assertion is simply fallacious. But trying to discuss this with folks armed with a small understanding of the technology, but a fixed opinion because of their own personal preference regardless, is pointless.

I'm happy you have made up your mind. But your mind does not make something universally true or fact. Period.

Isn't it kind of a moot point though? Didn't displaymate say the iphones had the best LCD displays ever? If that's the best we can expect then why would the industry want to stay with LCD? Some things you say may be true, but that truth may be useless in the real world. Does that LCD display which is better than a Samsung OLED display exist today? I'm seriously asking because I don't know the answer.

 

[epicrayban]

Isn't it kind of a moot point though? Didn't displaymate say the iphones had the best LCD displays ever? If that's the best we can expect then why would the industry want to stay with LCD? Some things you say may be true, but that truth may be useless in the real world. Does that LCD display which is better than a Samsung OLED display exist today? I'm seriously asking because I don't know the answer.

I think MRU's argument is that not all OLED panels are always good therefore to claim it "best" is wrong. And while it's true that there are bad ones out there, it doesn't mean we can't still call something best. Especially in the context of this thread where we're mostly speaking about high end devices (like the iPhone 8). Does "best" have to equal perfect? When did that rule emerge? Was the iPhone perfect when it was the best? Do we really have to caveat every time we call something the best with "but there are also bad OLED panels that exist out there and in those cases LCD is better"? I should hope not.

And nothing I've said impedes on anyone's personal preferences for what screen tech they choose to buy -- that's none of my business. In fact, I find it a rather boring conversation, as I've pointed out before.

Anyway, for the record @MRU, it was a pleasant convo and I learned new things! So thanks. Hope we didn't talk past each other too much.

 

[MRU]

Does that LCD display which is better than a Samsung OLED display exist today? I'm seriously asking because I don't know the answer.

YES. Remember not all Samsung OLED are manufacturerd equally. The Pixel panels which are Samsung Super Amoled Panels (whilst very good taken on their own, especially compared to the likes of the Motorola OLED panels they used in the past on the likes of Nexus 6) for example are not as good as the latest iPhone's or some other IPS LCD screens.

If every screen was the quality of the Note 8 then yes the discussion would be moot. (As long as there was an ability to colour calibrate to closer to 100% SRGB on all of them) However even Samsung don't produce panels like that with varying quality levels.

 

[Radon87000]

I don't think Apple would release a phone like the 7S and hope people don't buy it. It's going to be impossible to overlook it as it'll be advertised alongside the iPhone 8. Not everybody is in a position to afford the higher tier regardless of whether Apple see it that way. At that price point it's already on the back foot out of the two. I haven't seen the 7S yet so can't assume it's unchanged again. I'd be very surprised if they churned out a fourth generation iPhone 6 with a glass back.

The leaks have so far shown its just an iPhone 7 with wireless charging and a glass back. It looks exactly the same as the 7 from all angles. I will be pleasantly surprised and may even consider the iPhone 7s if they give the display TrueTone and ProMotion and the like considering the fact that with its supply shortages and manufacturing issues,the iPhone 8 may have a ton of gates attached to it and many defective screens. But its likely not happening.

If you ask me they wont even spend time on the 7s all that much in the Keynote. I remember when they upgraded the iPad Mini 3 to Mini 4 which is a Mini 3 with TouchID and a laminated display, when they were unveiling a more important iPad they just gave it a passing mention.

 

[MRU]

I think MRU's argument is that not all OLED panels are always good therefore to claim it "best" is wrong. And while it's true that there are bad ones out there, it doesn't mean we can't still call something best. Especially in the context of this thread where we're mostly speaking about high end devices (like the iPhone 8). Does "best" have to equal perfect? When did that rule emerge? Was the iPhone perfect when it was the best? Do we really have to caveat every time we call something the best with "but there are also bad OLED panels that exist out there and in those cases LCD is better"? I should hope not.

And nothing I've said impedes on anyone's personal preferences for what screen tech they choose to buy -- that's none of my business. In fact, I find it a rather boring conversation, as I've pointed out before.

Anyway, for the record @MRU, it was a pleasant convo and I learned new things! So thanks. Hope we didn't talk past each other too much.

I'll caveat this with - i'm not talking about you.

The problem is many folks on the forum will say something "just because it conforms with their own preferences" - without armed with actual information or knowledge to even caveat their post as you highlighted above, or even understand that what they are posting is not entirely true.

We live in a forum where blanket sweeping generalisations are thrown around and called facts.

Its when I see those 'definitive' statements thrown around with clearly nothing backing it up other than a personal preference and a need to assert or have it confirmed by others that it drives me nuts

 

[I7guy]

The leaks have so far shown its just an iPhone 7 with wireless charging and a glass back. It looks exactly the same as the 7 from all angles. I will be pleasantly surprised and may even consider the iPhone 7s if they give the display TrueTone and ProMotion and the like considering the fact that with its supply shortages and manufacturing issues,the iPhone 8 may have a ton of gates attached to it and many defective screens. But its likely not happening.

If you ask me they wont even spend time on the 7s all that much in the Keynote. I remember when they upgraded the iPad Mini 3 to Mini 4 which is a Mini 3 with TouchID and a laminated display, when they were unveiling a more important iPad they just gave it a passing mention.

The 7s, if that what it is, will be as much as an upgrade from the 7 as the 6s was from the 6. Which is to say substantial.

 

[Radon87000]

The 7s, if that what it is, will be as much as an upgrade from the 7 as the 6s was from the 6. Which is to say substantial.

Substantial TO YOU. Not me or many others. Substantial is what I call an iPhone 7 to iPhone 8 upgrade. An iPhone 7 with wireless charging does not scream substantial to me.

I predict the 8 will still match or exceed the 7s sales because its just $10-15 more on contract and people want a real upgrade this time around.

And to make it clear the iPhone 6 TO 7 wasn't substantial either. I bought it only because I was startin to hate the performance of my 6.

 

[widgeteer]

I'm curious to see how they use facial recognition. If it's replacing Touch ID just to unlock your phone but all other touch ID scenarios such as payments and websites will need a pin to use, I'm totally out on the device.

 

[AppleZombie]

Substantial TO YOU. Not me or many others. Substantial is what I call an iPhone 7 to iPhone 8 upgrade. An iPhone 7 with wireless charging does not scream substantial to me.

I predict the 8 will still match or exceed the 7s sales because its just $10-15 more on contract and people want a real upgrade this time around.

And to make it clear the iPhone 6 TO 7 wasn't substantial either. I bought it only because I was startin to hate the performance of my 6.

I agree. I still have my 6 + and there really isn't a reason for me to upgrade except that I want something new and different, which is why I went with a Note 8. I have not received the phone yet but I am already having second thoughts mostly because of imessage, facetime and IOS. I went through this once before when the Iphone 5 came out and I decided to get a S5. I had the S5 one day and went back. The Note 7 was my next phone until it started blowing up, so I decided to get the Note 8 whenever it came out.

I don't like the look of the Iphone 8 and feel that there will be a lot of issues during this first run. We are already getting reports about possible delays in release dates, who knows. IOS 11 doesn't seem too exciting. I have 14 days to decide once the Note 8 reaches my door step so we will see.

 

[epicrayban]

I'm curious to see how they use facial recognition.

I'm excited to see this in action, too. It's rumored to be really fast and even more reliable than current facial unlock methods.

Face unlock is a fantastic feature and still feels like magic whenever I use it on my S8. If Apple can bring the competition and get facial unlock at an even faster and more reliable rate, bring it on.

 

[Chupa Chupa]

Switch = time and aggravation and doesn't work seamlessly with Mac, so no. I don't need a new phone every year either. This years looks like a keeper for a couple or 3.

 

[Radon87000]

Seems even the analysts agree

https://9to5mac.com/2017/09/07/iphone-revenue-2017/

"The good news, it says, is that the iPhone 8/Edition/X will see massive iPhone revenue growth in 2018 …

In a note seen by Business Insider, Guggenheim predicts a return to growth this year, based on the launch of the new flagship model, followed by dramatic growth next year – though not topping that seen when Apple finally made larger-screen models with the launch of the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus."

"While the consensus view on Wall Street is that this year’s flagship phone will generate a huge surge in sales, there is disagreement on the details"

 

[Zaft]

That could certainly happen. We might be reaching a tipping point with premium flagship prices. I'm sure the high price will drive many away and towards the 7S models. Especially this year because it's a first generation redesign and Apple charges high premiums for first gen stuff, and probably because there's only one size option.

However, I still predict demand will be high regardless. If there's anything history has proven, it's that there are many Apple fans willing to spend the premium price for Apple products. And with such limited supply being predicted, it could be a problem.

If it turns out there is no FP scanner then this is the version to skip. iPhone 8s will surely have the FP scanner under the screen.

 

[I7guy]

Substantial TO YOU. Not me or many others. Substantial is what I call an iPhone 7 to iPhone 8 upgrade. An iPhone 7 with wireless charging does not scream substantial to me.

I predict the 8 will still match or exceed the 7s sales because its just $10-15 more on contract and people want a real upgrade this time around.

And to make it clear the iPhone 6 TO 7 wasn't substantial either. I bought it only because I was startin to hate the performance of my 6.

Well go around the horn with this as it seems the iPhone 7 was a great seller, which mean people thought it SUBSTANTIAL enough to buy. According to your logic my interpretation is the iphone x edition is just more improvements. If the 5s with 64 bit wasn't substantial and theniihone 6 with Apple Pay or 6s with 3dt wasn't substantial the iPhone x edition is just another mere upgrade.

As far as sales you will never know because Apple doesn't provide that information.

 

[widgeteer]

I'm excited to see this in action, too. It's rumored to be really fast and even more reliable than current facial unlock methods.

Face unlock is a fantastic feature and still feels like magic whenever I use it on my S8. If Apple can bring the competition and get facial unlock at an even faster and more reliable rate, bring it on.

If it's going to be used with Apple Pay, it has to be better than anything currently available on the mobile market. Both in terms of security and ease/reliability of use.