Do you plan to switch from iPhone to Android? (2016)

[Feenician]

How do you activate it on the watch? Do you have to enter a code every time or something?

I see no-one answered this.

You unlock the watch in the morning either by inputting a pin, or, if you set it that way, by unlocking your phone. As long as the watch remains in contact with your skin Apple Pay is available by simply double pressing a button on the watch.

 

[epicrayban]

WSJ is reporting that the iPhone 8 will not have Touch ID.

And supply issues could go into the early months of 2018. I think the 7S models are going to sell beautifully.

 

[Feenician]

WSJ is reporting that the iPhone 8 will not have Touch ID.

And supply issues could go into the early months of 2018. I think the 7S models are going to sell beautifully.

It’s really hard to judge how much how much competing aspects of the iPhone 8 will weigh up in buyers minds because there’s never been an iPhone release where models are released at the same time with greatly different features (the camera on the plus models I think didn’t move the needle one way or another) and, perhaps, greatly different prices. How will people make a decision on factors like: -

Most premium vs Most expensive
Most novel features vs Most unfamiliar features (thinking of possibly no Touch ID, face recognition and gestures instead of a home button)
Less differentiated look vs Obviously new

It will definitely be interesting to see how people weigh it up, especially the “but that’s not the best iPhone this year” factor on the lower end ones.

 

[Radon87000]

Wrong you are I debating something that is purely subjective. I thought the 7 was substantial enough over the 6s to justify its purchase.

But then you don’t know why people bought it because I certainly didn’t buy my 7 because it was a substantial upgrade. If you ask me the iPhone 6 had slowed down considerably by the point the 7 released and people just got that. The fact that the batteries in the 6 also wear out in 2 years also helped. I just replaced mine last month

iPhones also have great trade in values which makes it real easy to get the newer iPhone regardless of price.

The iPhone x edition is another iPhone with a different screen, which in and of itself does nothing for my user experience. 64 bit like a turbo in a car enhances one experience even if you don't know why.

There are just 2 user facing differences between my $969 iPhone and my $150 Moto.

The screen and the performance.

Straight from Apple's marketing for the iPhone 7'

"Almost everything you experience with your iPhone comes to life on its display. It’s where you look at the photos, messages, news, and countless other things that make up your day. '

Otherwise there is nothing the iPhone offers which the Moto can’t do.
Change any aspect of the screen and that makes a huge difference as the screen is how I interact with the phone. Next comes the processor which ensures speedy operation of the phone.

64bit is a feature which does not impact my user experience. I will put it this way. AMD Vega 64 has many features which even the GTX 1080 Ti doesn’t have like HBCC and HBM memory.

Both these features are expected on NVIDIA’s Volta lineup. But do they matter at the end of the day in an Vega vs Pascal comparison? No they don’t because in actual gaming the Vega 64 performs the same as a GTX 1080 so both of those features do nothing for user experience other than tick a spec box which wrongly implies the Vega is superior.

Again, you cannot talk for me. I skipped the 6 because I didn't want a bigger screen although Apple Pay was cool.

The growth charts of the 6 and 6 Plus were so high that even now analysts are saying that iPhone 8 may come close but still won’t top it. That’s how big the iPhone 6 upgrade was.

Apple Pay is not why people upgraded because Apple Pay doesn’t even exist in all countries outside the US.

Again by your definition of the 5s or 6 or 6s or 7 wasn't substantial neither is the next iPhone.

Change the screen and you make it a substantial upgrade

Guess what? While you are carrying around a 4.7 LCD with you, I am carrying around a 5.8 OLED in the same footprint. Now That’s innovation.

view them as incremental improvements similar to Apple Pay, Touch ID, 3dt etc.

Too bad the customers will disagree as the iPhone 8 is the only phone which will top the growth charts set by the 6.

Revenue chart since 2013 says all iPhones sell well.

I am stating this based on Apple’s standards. If they feel the 8 lineup is doing very well they may just as well discontinue the budget lineup. Remember how they discontinued smaller iPhones.

 

[Roadstar]

WSJ is reporting that the iPhone 8 will not have Touch ID.

And supply issues could go into the early months of 2018. I think the 7S models are going to sell beautifully.

Indeed. If I end up upgrading at all, it'll be 7s for me. Awkwardly positioned fingerprint scanner killed my Note8 interest, so you can guess how much I'd like to buy a most likely even more expensive phone that doesn't have one at all.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

How do you activate it on the watch? Do you have to enter a code every time or something?

No, just double tap the slim button on the side. You put a code in when you first put the watch on so it knows the wearer is authorised.

 

[Radon87000]

It will definitely be interesting to see how people weigh it up, especially the “but that’s not the best iPhone this year” factor on the lower end ones.

This is the factor which is going to work in the favour of the 8. At least it worked on me. I only buy the best.

 

[Feenician]

This is the factor which is going to work in the favour of the 8. At least it worked on me. I only buy the best.

I get that but the obvious corollary is that “best” does not necessarily mean “biggest numbers on a spec sheet” for everyone. In the current generation of iPhone “best” by your definition could only mean 7+ but if a person values a smaller size then best for them means 7 or even SE. Clearly, one beats the others in pure performance (even that’s not so clear cut sometimes) but if you don’t like the size, then it’s not the best.

I genuinely do think it will be interesting the tale that the market tells this year. i can’t call it. I’m just not sure how it’ll go, especially after supply constraints on the 8 ease up.

 

[apolloa]

I see no-one answered this.

You unlock the watch in the morning either by inputting a pin, or, if you set it that way, by unlocking your phone. As long as the watch remains in contact with your skin Apple Pay is available by simply double pressing a button on the watch.

No, just double tap the slim button on the side. You put a code in when you first put the watch on so it knows the wearer is authorised.

Ah thank you, I was wondering if you had to activate it, glad to see you do so it's not always on.

 

[Radon87000]

I get that but the obvious corollary is that “best” does not necessarily mean “biggest numbers on a spec sheet” for everyone. In the current generation of iPhone “best” by your definition could only mean 7+ but if a person values a smaller size then best for them means 7 or even SE. Clearly, one beats the others in pure performance (even that’s not so clear cut sometimes) but if you don’t like the size, then it’s not the best.

I genuinely do think it will be interesting the tale that the market tells this year. i can’t call it. I’m just not sure how it’ll go, especially after supply constraints on the 8 ease up.

Yeah but the 7 actually had a size advantage over the 7 Plus. The 8 is superior to both the 7S and 7S Plus in all aspects except price. It’s the same size as the iPhone 7S with a much bigger display.

 

[Feenician]

Yeah but the 7 actually had a size advantage over the 7 Plus. The 8 is superior to both the 7S and 7S Plus in all aspects except price. It’s the same size as the iPhone 7S with a much bigger display.

Is it the same size? I thought it was a little larger. In any case it's another point in the price/features tradeoff and, like I said, I don't know where the market will go on it.

 

[epicrayban]

It’s really hard to judge how much how much competing aspects of the iPhone 8 will weigh up in buyers minds because there’s never been an iPhone release where models are released at the same time with greatly different features (the camera on the plus models I think didn’t move the needle one way or another) and, perhaps, greatly different prices. How will people make a decision on factors like: -

Most premium vs Most expensive
Most novel features vs Most unfamiliar features (thinking of possibly no Touch ID, face recognition and gestures instead of a home button)
Less differentiated look vs Obviously new

It will definitely be interesting to see how people weigh it up, especially the “but that’s not the best iPhone this year” factor on the lower end ones.

Agree. It's really odd of Apple to release two models, like you said, in the same year.

 

[Radon87000]

Is it the same size? I thought it was a little larger. In any case it's another point in the price/features tradeoff and, like I said, I don't know where the market will go on it.

A mere 5mm taller. It’s essentially the same size.
My expectation is Apple is ready to set the charts on fire after the iPhone 8 launches as its likely to be the top selling model. I would go so far as to say this is the biggest redesign since 2007. It’s going to make Samsung’s sales look like a blip on the radar

The sheer amount of features and the redesign will disguise the price for many.

 

[The Game 161]

WSJ is reporting that the iPhone 8 will not have Touch ID.

And supply issues could go into the early months of 2018. I think the 7S models are going to sell beautifully.

Think it's expected. Hopefully will be worth the wait.

Think the 7s will sell fine for people who don't want to spend loads but compared to the current phones out there it is very outdated.

 

[Radon87000]

Think it's expected. Hopefully will be worth the wait.

Think the 7s will sell fine for people who don't want to spend loads but compared to the current phones out there it is very outdated.

Samsung is bringing the bezelless OLED design to its mid range lineup.

https://www.sammobile.com/2017/08/28/galaxy-2018-series-may-tout-infinity-display/

There is no excuse for Apple to make an expensive phone like the 7S look like a phone from 2014

 

[The Game 161]

Samsung is bringing the bezelless OLED design to its mid range lineup.

https://www.sammobile.com/2017/08/28/galaxy-2018-series-may-tout-infinity-display/

There is no excuse for Apple to make an expensive phone like the 7S look like a phone from 2014

Agreed, even my 7 plus looks bad next to my dads S8 plus. Just no excuse for it the way phones are built now.

 

[I7guy]

But then you don’t know why people bought it because I certainly didn’t buy my 7 because it was a substantial upgrade. If you ask me the iPhone 6 had slowed down considerably by the point the 7 released and people just got that. The fact that the batteries in the 6 also wear out in 2 years also helped. I just replaced mine last month

iPhones also have great trade in values which makes it real easy to get the newer iPhone regardless of price.

If I don't know why people bought their iphones neither do you. I know why I bought my iphone, my friends, family, extended family. They all bought their iphone 7 and 7+ because they thought in the aggregate is was an upgrade. What was the reasoning of the person on the street, nobody knows. (I do know my two 5s are going strong on ios 11 after 4 years though)

There are just 2 user facing differences between my $969 iPhone and my $150 Moto.

The screen and the performance.

And the exact analogy can be made for cars, which have virtually no user facing differences. All have a steering wheel, brake lights, headlights and 4 tires.

Straight from Apple's marketing for the iPhone 7'

"Almost everything you experience with your iPhone comes to life on its display. It’s where you look at the photos, messages, news, and countless other things that make up your day. '

Otherwise there is nothing the iPhone offers which the Moto can’t do.
Change any aspect of the screen and that makes a huge difference as the screen is how I interact with the phone. Next comes the processor which ensures speedy operation of the phone.

64bit is a feature which does not impact my user experience. I will put it this way. AMD Vega 64 has many features which even the GTX 1080 Ti doesn’t have like HBCC and HBM memory.

Both these features are expected on NVIDIA’s Volta lineup. But do they matter at the end of the day in an Vega vs Pascal comparison? No they don’t because in actual gaming the Vega 64 performs the same as a GTX 1080 so both of those features do nothing for user experience other than tick a spec box which wrongly implies the Vega is superior.

That's marketing, I care little about the screen. If you don't think 64 bit impacts your experience, go back to your iphone 5.

The growth charts of the 6 and 6 Plus were so high that even now analysts are saying that iPhone 8 may come close but still won’t top it. That’s how big the iPhone 6 upgrade was.

Apple Pay is not why people upgraded because Apple Pay doesn’t even exist in all countries outside the US.

You just got done saying, I don't know why people upgrade. If I don't know you don't know and certainly why one didn't.

Change the screen and you make it a substantial upgrade

Guess what? While you are carrying around a 4.7 LCD with you, I am carrying around a 5.8 OLED in the same footprint. Now That’s innovation.

Okay, are definitions of innovation are wildly different.

Too bad the customers will disagree as the iPhone 8 is the only phone which will top the growth charts set by the 6.

I am stating this based on Apple’s standards. If they feel the 8 lineup is doing very well they may just as well discontinue the budget lineup. Remember how they discontinued smaller iPhones.

Again, you can't claim I don't know why people upgrade and then claim to understand the reasons why people do.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Agree. It's really odd of Apple to release two models, like you said, in the same year.

To be fair if the didn't they'd see a massive slump in sales. The 7S is there to make up the lions share of sales and give the impression Apple are still breaking records. Apple are well aware not every Apple fan, iPhone user, Android switcher is going to buy an iPhone 8. They are hoping for healthy sales of both variations.

 

[I7guy]

To be fair if the didn't they'd see a massive slump in sales. The 7S is there to make up the lions share of sales and give the impression Apple are still breaking records. Apple are well aware not every Apple fan, iPhone user, Android switcher is going to buy an iPhone 8. They are hoping for healthy sales of both variations.

Apple went from releasing one model, to two models and now 3 models yearly. Plus the budget SE. So that begs the question, what is apple going to release next year? Are they going to have a set of high-end models, mid-level models and budget models?

 

[Radon87000]

. Apple are well aware not every Apple fan, iPhone user, Android switcher is going to buy an iPhone 8. They are hoping for healthy sales of both variations.

Then why is the 7s so underwhelming. 6s to 6 had 2 gigs of ram and 3D Touch. THe iPhone 7 had dual cameras, DCI P3 displays, a better Taptic Engine for 3DT and more ram for the Plus variant. They at least removed the unsightly antenna bands from the back. The 7s is literally a 7 with glass and wireless charging.

I would rather spend 1300 on a radical upgrade than spend $969 on a spec bumped 7.

When the entire Android lineup is offering bexelless oled displays for the same price as the 7s why even bother buying the spec bumped 7.

 

[Oohara]

Agreed, even my 7 plus looks bad next to my dads S8 plus. Just no excuse for it the way phones are built now.

Depends on what you're looking for imo. I just got to play with the Note 8 finally and came away disappointed. While the screen is technically 2mm wider than the 7+ screen, the curved part still takes up such a large portion that the actual working area still feels more narrow - which to me equates to smaller as I want a large screen in terms of width as well as height.

The Note 8/S8 also still feel quite flimsy to me in terms of build, compared to the chill metal heft of my 7+. And then there's the fp reader placement.

All in all, I was getting hyped up for the Note 8 but as it stands I actually prefer my 7+ in terms of build. Bezels and all, doesn't make it feel stone age to me honestly, so I really don't agree with the "no excuse for it the way phones are built now" part.

Screen size wise the Mate 9 is still king as it's completely flat screen is 73mm wide to the Note 8's 70mm of which maybe 4mm gets counted off in my book because of the curvature. I'd be on a Mate 9 already if it wasn't for extensive os difficulties I've read about.

I really do want to go Android as I sorely miss home screen widgets, full version Swype for typing, more dynamic notifications, option to kill all apps with one tap etc etc. And I want Note 8 quality blacks on my screen. But atm there's just no alternative that motivates me to take the cash hit + trouble of selling my 7+ and buying a brand new phone that won't have an essentially larger screen (V30 is same width as 7+) + sacrificing my Apple Watch and other Apple "ecosystem" functionality which I actually love (which doesn't include iMessage and FT which everyone else seems to cry about).

Maybe I'll end up getting the Mate 9 after all since it's now down to 500€ in price (new) and Huawei has had time to iron out the worst bugs. Or maybe they come out with a stunning Mate 10. Otherwise, I'll probably wait for the next round of phones next year.

 

[Radon87000]

Apple went from releasing one model, to two models and now 3 models yearly. Plus the budget SE. So that begs the question, what is apple going to release next year? Are they going to have a set of high-end models, mid-level models and budget models?

We already know heir plan next year. A 6.4 inch iPhone Plus Edition with base price $1299. And the iPhone Edition will get a spec bump and the fp sensor under the display.
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If I don't know why people bought their iphones neither do you. I know why I bought my iphone, my friends, family, extended family. They all bought their iphone 7 and 7+ because they thought in the aggregate is was an upgrade. What was the reasoning of the person on the street, nobody knows. (I do know my two 5s are going strong on ios 11 after 4 years though)

Which comes back to my original point that just because it was a seller doesnt mean it was a substantial upgrade.

And the exact analogy can be made for cars, which have virtually no user facing differences. All have a steering wheel, brake lights, headlights and 4 tires.

Yes thats what I was saying. Replace the Honda engine with a V10 and you have a racing car which is a user facing difference. Give a Moto G a high quality 1080P LCD and its a user facing difference

That's marketing,

Its true marketing. Even on a computer more so than my processor the display is actually where I view my content. Otherwise we would all be buying Macbook Airs over Macbook Pro with Retina.

Display is the single most important piece of kit aside from the processor and Apple correctly highlighted that almost the entire work on a smartphone is done on its display.

I care little about the screen.

But Apple cares a lot about the screen which is why the OLED iPhone exists for the premium buyers who want to pay more for a superior display and considering Apple will price it knowing it will sell well, theres a sizable amount of buyers who care for the display more than anything.

I am willing to give up 3DT and TouchID for an OLED display and so are the other buyers of the 8. And the 8 will sell more than the 7S

If you don't think 64 bit impacts your experience, go back to your iphone 5.

Give me a non 64 bit processor with the same performance and sure. I am more than willing to sidegrade from AMD Vega 64 with HBCC and HBM to the GTX 1080 with no HBCC and HBM

You just got done saying, I don't know why people upgrade. If I don't know you don't know and certainly why one didn't.

My point was that neither the 6s nor the 7 were substantial upgrades. Than you claimed people found them substantial enough to upgrade. I proved correctly that neither you nor me know why people bought them so the statement that it was bought by all customers because it was a substantial upgrade is false.

Okay, are definitions of innovation are wildly different.

I am holding a 6 inch OLED in the same size as a 4.7 inch. So more viewable area without clutching a ginormous phone. So yes thats innovation. Foldable displays are the next big thing in innovation

Again, you can't claim I don't know why people upgrade and then claim to understand the reasons why people do.

My only claim is that neither the 6s or the 7 are substantial upgrades. Sales as a metric cant be proven so dont bring it in

 

[spinedoc77]

Yes as I have answered now 3 times.

Samsung produce and supply the OLED panels to a number of different OEMs

The panel in the Google Pixel is a 100% Samsung Super AMOLED panel.

Despite this; Many LCD's are better than it.

How hard is that to grasp ?




If your question is actually 'is there a better LCD than the Note8 or S8 screens' - which is a completely different question altogether, then personally I think the Note8 screen likely the best screen on a smartphone right now.

But you are not asking that.

You are asking is there a better screen than Samsung OLED and generalising the whole thing which is the whole point of my explanation of why that kind of discussion and generalisation is wrong on many technical levels.

Samsung OLED is not a single fixed display entity of only 1 variation.

Samsung make and supply Samsung OLED to many other manufacturers / OEMs (just like they are going to do with Apple) and that includes Meizu, Vivo and Motorola. Even the Samsung AMOLED displays in the Samsung A5, A7, J2017 are not the same as the ones in the Note 8 or S8. Yet all are Samsung OLED.

Nearly all Samsung OLED panels outside of the ones used directly on their own flagships are quantifiablly not as good as many of the better/best IPS LCD's.

So asking is there an LCD better than Samsung OLED then the answer is YES, because Samsung OLED exists in a multitude of states, forms and quality.

Honestly I'm sick of discussing this now as it feels like I'm bashing my head against a wall.

OK you answered my question finally, currently a LCD which is better than Samsungs best does NOT exist. I'm not generalizing, I specifically said I wanted to compare Samsungs BEST many times. I'm not sure if you read my last response carefully, I'm NOT disagreeing with you. But OLED as a technology IS better than LCD as it stands currently, regardless of whether some companies choose to use substandard OLED panels. Once again I'm not disagreeing with your point that substandard OLED displays exist which are inferior to LCD's, but that only means those panels are inferior, not the technology itself. Heck I could take the worst car out there and say it's inferior to a horse and buggy because of it's quality, or how slow it is, or how unreliable it is, but that doesn't mean cars are inferior to horses and buggies as a technology.

So anyway I've been stating that I understand your point for the last 2 or 3 responses, I don't think we are in disagreement here, just of 2 different viewpoints. We should both stop bashing our heads against the wall and get back to the topic. /peace
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Depends on what you're looking for imo. I just got to play with the Note 8 finally and came away disappointed. While the screen is technically 2mm wider than the 7+ screen, the curved part still takes up such a large portion that the actual working area still feels more narrow - which to me equates to smaller as I want a large screen in terms of width as well as height.

The Note 8/S8 also still feel quite flimsy to me in terms of build, compared to the chill metal heft of my 7+. And then there's the fp reader placement.

All in all, I was getting hyped up for the Note 8 but as it stands I actually prefer my 7+ in terms of build. Bezels and all, doesn't make it feel stone age to me honestly, so I really don't agree with the "no excuse for it the way phones are built now" part.

Screen size wise the Mate 9 is still king as it's completely flat screen is 73mm wide to the Note 8's 70mm of which maybe 4mm gets counted off in my book because of the curvature. I'd be on a Mate 9 already if it wasn't for extensive os difficulties I've read about.

I really do want to go Android as I sorely miss home screen widgets, full version Swype for typing, more dynamic notifications, option to kill all apps with one tap etc etc. And I want Note 8 quality blacks on my screen. But atm there's just no alternative that motivates me to take the cash hit + trouble of selling my 7+ and buying a brand new phone that won't have an essentially larger screen (V30 is same width as 7+) + sacrificing my Apple Watch and other Apple "ecosystem" functionality which I actually love (which doesn't include iMessage and FT which everyone else seems to cry about).

Maybe I'll end up getting the Mate 9 after all since it's now down to 500€ in price (new) and Huawei has had time to iron out the worst bugs. Or maybe they come out with a stunning Mate 10. Otherwise, I'll probably wait for the next round of phones next year.

I'm in the same boat, I'm kind of stuck on iOS as well although lately I really miss so much of Android. Google voice integration, widgets, customization, etc. I haven't found an android watch to replace my apple watch, they are all so darn huge and thick I can't stand them. My entire family is all on imessage and facetime and google refuses to consolidate all their messaging apps and services. I also hate the narrow/curved screen aspect of the Note 8, but I guess it's the trend and we are seeing everyone with that aspect ratio.

The Mate 10 seems like a GREAT choice, but I've read that Huawei is terrible with their OS updates. Of course the v30 still always seems to be an awesome choice as well, and maybe the pixel xl 2.

 

[zone23]

iPhone 7+ -> Galaxy S8 -> iPhone 7+ -> iPhone 8 so I'm back.. can't wait for the new iPhone finally going to have the stuff Androids had forever now.

 

[Shanghaichica]

No, just double tap the slim button on the side. You put a code in when you first put the watch on so it knows the wearer is authorised.

Or you can unlock with your iPhone.
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iPhone 7+ -> Galaxy S8 -> iPhone 7+ -> iPhone 8 so I'm back.. can't wait for the new iPhone finally going to have the stuff Androids had forever now.

Some of the stuff.