Do you plan to switch from iPhone to Android? (2016)

[I7guy]

We already know heir plan next year. A 6.4 inch iPhone Plus Edition with base price $1299. And the iPhone Edition will get a spec bump and the fp sensor under the display.

No. You know the rumor of next years plan. Getting a spec bump doesn't require any rumors or leaks to guess that it is occurring.

Which comes back to my original point that just because it was a seller doesnt mean it was a substantial upgrade.

Which gets back to my original point which is doesn't mean the customer didn't think it wasn't a substantial upgrade.

Yes thats what I was saying. Replace the Honda engine with a V10 and you have a racing car which is a user facing difference. Give a Moto G a high quality 1080P LCD and its a user facing difference

No, it's not a user facing difference even though the capabilities are very much apparent once one starts to use it.

Its true marketing. Even on a computer more so than my processor the display is actually where I view my content. Otherwise we would all be buying Macbook Airs over Macbook Pro with Retina.

It's definitely marketing.

Display is the single most important piece of kit aside from the processor and Apple correctly highlighted that almost the entire work on a smartphone is done on its display.

To you, not to me. Which is why I'm getting the 7s+ which will wind up by being substantial upgrade over my last phone.

But Apple cares a lot about the screen which is why the OLED iPhone exists for the premium buyers who want to pay more for a superior display and considering Apple will price it knowing it will sell well, theres a sizable amount of buyers who care for the display more than anything.

That is why their last generation of lcds are better than most oleds, because they care about displays.

I am willing to give up 3DT and TouchID for an OLED display and so are the other buyers of the 8. And the 8 will sell more than the 7S

Ok, that is you. Oled doesn't drive my purchase decisions, and probably others as well.

Give me a non 64 bit processor with the same performance and sure. I am more than willing to sidegrade from AMD Vega 64 with HBCC and HBM to the GTX 1080 with no HBCC and HBM

You won't find any and it's not because the chips can't be made faster. The address space and wider instructions allows for more capabilities than 32 bit can deliver.

My point was that neither the 6s nor the 7 were substantial upgrades. Than you claimed people found them substantial enough to upgrade. I proved correctly that neither you nor me know why people bought them so the statement that it was bought by all customers because it was a substantial upgrade is false.

That is your value system at play. I shows that for me I this was a substantial upgrade as well as my family. There is no way I can make the claim for anyone else for or against as neither can you. But the probability of people buying the phone with your rational, imo, is false. More likely customers viewed this as an upgrade and not a way to escape performance issues like you claim.

I am holding a 6 inch OLED in the same size as a 4.7 inch. So more viewable area without clutching a ginormous phone. So yes thats innovation. Foldable displays are the next big thing in innovation

Oled has ceased to be innovative years ago.

My only claim is that neither the 6s or the 7 are substantial upgrades. Sales as a metric cant be proven so dont bring it in

For you they aren't, For me they are. Sales is only an indication people buy the products. You don't know the rational of why. Nor can you deconstruct it.

 

[Oohara]

The Mate 10 seems like a GREAT choice, but I've read that Huawei is terrible with their OS updates. Of course the v30 still always seems to be an awesome choice as well, and maybe the pixel xl 2.

Yeah I'm a bit weary of how Huawei handle their software in general. Internationally I haven't read many complaints about the OS and in fact the Mate 9 gets great "after the buzz" reviews. But in a Swedish forum I frequent, people report experiencing quite a bit of annoying software bugs. Nothing horrific or deal breaking though, I think.

I think at this point what I might do is just buy it outright for 500€ and stick with it as long as the processor keeps up with the content, consider it a bargain, and just live with the poor OS update support given that I'll be getting the biggest 16:9 screen available on any premium smartphone at the moment.

I'll probably wait for the rumoured Oct 10th release of the Mate 10 however. Though rumours say they'll move to 18:9 for that one... But others say that there'll be a 16:9 version and a 18:9 'pro' version, let's see...

 

[spinedoc77]

Yeah I'm a bit weary of how Huawei handle their software in general. Internationally I haven't read many complaints about the OS and in fact the Mate 9 gets great "after the buzz" reviews. But in a Swedish forum I frequent, people report experiencing quite a bit of annoying software bugs. Nothing horrific or deal breaking though, I think.

I think at this point what I might do is just buy it outright for 500€ and stick with it as long as the processor keeps up with the content, consider it a bargain, and just live with the poor OS update support given that I'll be getting the biggest 16:9 screen available on any premium smartphone at the moment.

I'll probably wait for the rumoured Oct 10th release of the Mate 10 however. Though rumours say they'll move to 18:9 for that one... But others say that there'll be a 16:9 version and a 18:9 'pro' version, let's see...

Crap, really? The Mate 10 is rumored to be 18:9? Sigh...

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

OK you answered my question finally, currently a LCD which is better than Samsungs best does NOT exist. I'm not generalizing, I specifically said I wanted to compare Samsungs BEST many times. I'm not sure if you read my last response carefully, I'm NOT disagreeing with you. But OLED as a technology IS better than LCD as it stands currently, regardless of whether some companies choose to use substandard OLED panels. Once again I'm not disagreeing with your point that substandard OLED displays exist which are inferior to LCD's, but that only means those panels are inferior, not the technology itself. Heck I could take the worst car out there and say it's inferior to a horse and buggy because of it's quality, or how slow it is, or how unreliable it is, but that doesn't mean cars are inferior to horses and buggies as a technology.

So anyway I've been stating that I understand your point for the last 2 or 3 responses, I don't think we are in disagreement here, just of 2 different viewpoints. We should both stop bashing our heads against the wall and get back to the topic. /peace

If having the 'best' display means pushing the price beyond £1000, I'd rather they keep LCD. For those of us who don't over scrutinise the pixels of our phone with magnifying glasses, LCD is decent enough quality in a small screen. If the price of OLED can come down to reasonable levels then great.

 

[Michael Goff]

If having the 'best' display means pushing the price beyond £1000, I'd rather they keep LCD. For those of us who don't over scrutinise the pixels of our phone with magnifying glasses, LCD is decent enough quality in a small screen. If the price of OLED can come down to reasonable levels then great.

You don't have to pixel scrutinize to see how the best OLED is vastly superior to the best LCD.

 

[Radon87000]

If having the 'best' display means pushing the price beyond £1000, I'd rather they keep LCD. For those of us who don't over scrutinise the pixels of our phone with magnifying glasses, LCD is decent enough quality in a small screen. If the price of OLED can come down to reasonable levels then great.

It won’t come down because Apple has never reduced prices on their products without compromising some aspect of it.

The Galaxy S8 has a similar quality OLED to iPhone 8 and is priced the same as 7S

 

[spinedoc77]

If having the 'best' display means pushing the price beyond £1000, I'd rather they keep LCD. For those of us who don't over scrutinise the pixels of our phone with magnifying glasses, LCD is decent enough quality in a small screen. If the price of OLED can come down to reasonable levels then great.

Yeah, certainly price is an important factor. I've read that Samsung is charging Apple quite a premium for them to make the panels. But I guess that's why they have the new mid range flagships with the LCD screens.

What will be interesting is if Apple eventually is able to work out better deals, or if they someday manufacture the panels themselves, will they still charge that premium? My guess is hell yes, if people are used to paying a higher price, Apple won't say no to the extra profit margin from making its own panels.

 

[I7guy]

It won’t come down because Apple has never reduced prices on their products without compromising some aspect of it.

The Galaxy S8 has a similar quality OLED to iPhone 8 and is priced the same as 7S

Yes Samsung does the same thing. The galaxy s8 is a compromised note 8 with a lower price as well. In other news, companies like to have multiple product lines at multiple price points. The lower priced products generally do not have the full features of their full-priced cousins.

 

[Radon87000]

No. You know the rumor of next years plan. Getting a spec bump doesn't require any rumors or leaks to guess that it is occurring.

Considering how Apple's 7 Plus is still a device which can be held in a hand, it doesnt take much deductive skills to realise they will develop a phone with the same footprint as the 7 Plus. Its a rumor backed by common sense

Which gets back to my original point which is doesn't mean the customer didn't think it wasn't a substantial upgrade.

We should keep the average consumer out of this as both you and me dont know why they upgraded. The consumer upgraded his phone. Thats all we know.

No, it's not a user facing difference even though the capabilities are very much apparent once one starts to use it.

Its very much a user facing difference otherwise Apple wouldnt have Retina devices available for sale.

As I said theres only 2 things a Moto G differs with even the $1300 iPhone. Screen and processor. Those are the fundamental diffrentiators.

My Moto does everything the iPhone can. So why do I pay $800 more? A nicer display, faster processor, a better camera and better build qualoty.

It's definitely marketing.

Do you or do you not do everything on a screen with a smartphone?

Which is why I'm getting the 7s+ which will wind up by being substantial upgrade over my last phone.

To you,not me. But I am expecting the 8 will still outsell the 7S because people are tired of lame duck upgrades

That is why their last generation of lcds are better than most oleds, because they care about displays.

I dont care about the inferior OLEDs and LCD displays. I only buy the best products. If the best OLED>best LCD, thats all I care about.

Ok, that is you. Oled doesn't drive my purchase decisions, and probably others as well.

Drives for a lot of customers so much so that people are willing to pay double the price of the 7S for that OLED display. And thats the iPhone responsible for super normal growth

You won't find any and it's not because the chips can't be made faster. The address space and wider instructions allows for more capabilities than 32 bit can deliver.

https://techgage.com/article/a-look-at-amd-radeon-vega-hbcc/

There is an entire technical document dedicated to how AMD's HBCC provides huge benefits over NVIDIA's Pascal.

Reality- No real world improverment in user experience

So instead of this theoretical geek talk, tell me what it did to my phone in the real world

That is your value system at play. I shows that for me I this was a substantial upgrade as well as my family. There is no way I can make the claim for anyone else for or against as neither can you. But the probability of people buying the phone with your rational, imo, is false. More likely customers viewed this as an upgrade and not a way to escape performance issues like you claim.

What I claimed was the practical part of it. The iPhone 6 or any computer for that matter needs replacement every 3 years or so and the replacement doesnt necessarily have to be a gamechanging update. In 2 years or so, the iPhone battery also needs to be replaced as 500 charge cycles are reached so people just traded in their iPhones for a newer model.

Oled has ceased to be innovative years ago.

I am talking about fitting a 6 inch OLED screen in the same size as the 4.7 iPhone as innovation.

You don't know the rational of why. Nor can you deconstruct it.

Thats what I was stating from the start but the one who brought "people" into this was you not me. I never claimed to know why the average consumer upgraded
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Yes Samsung does the same thing. The galaxy s8 is a compromised note 8 with a lower price as well.

Actually, in Androidland its vastly regarded as an overpriced S8 Plus. Its basically an S8 Plus with a stylus. Not to mention the price of the Note 8 will drop further in the coming months which would make it even more of a bargain.

And even if accept the lack of stylus as a compromise its still nowhere near as compromised as the iPhone 7S compared to the 8. When I look at the 8, I dont feel like spending a single buck on the 7S. I dont get that feeling with the Note 8 and S8

In other news, companies like to have multiple product lines at multiple price points. The lower priced products generally do not have the full features of their full-priced cousins.

But why is it higher price? OLED is pocket change on Android. Whats the big deal about this phone? Its a radical upgrade for the iPhone but from an Android perspective its really nothing new.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

You don't have to pixel scrutinize to see how the best OLED is vastly superior to the best LCD.

I'm not bothered either way.

 

[Radon87000]

Yeah, certainly price is an important factor. I've read that Samsung is charging Apple quite a premium for them to make the panels. But I guess that's why they have the new mid range flagships with the LCD screens.

What will be interesting is if Apple eventually is able to work out better deals, or if they someday manufacture the panels themselves, will they still charge that premium? My guess is hell yes, if people are used to paying a higher price, Apple won't say no to the extra profit margin from making its own panels.

They are both hand in gloves with each other. Samsung also jacked up the price of the Note as well. They knew beforehand how Apple was pricing its products and jumped in to take advantage of the situation. The cost structure has little to do with why the iPhone price has been jacked up by $300.

Apple knows the customers have been starving for a real upgrade since 2014 and took advanatage of the situation in their own way. They have done with with iPad as well. I couldnt find an upgrade for the Air 2 from 2014 and I had to pay the Pro Premium to get the real upgrades.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Yeah, certainly price is an important factor. I've read that Samsung is charging Apple quite a premium for them to make the panels. But I guess that's why they have the new mid range flagships with the LCD screens.

What will be interesting is if Apple eventually is able to work out better deals, or if they someday manufacture the panels themselves, will they still charge that premium? My guess is hell yes, if people are used to paying a higher price, Apple won't say no to the extra profit margin from making its own panels.

I'm not sure Apple will be able to charge the premium indefinitely. The landscape is changing and as Android improves, people like myself will look at other options. They might be able to treat OLED like its brand new this year but it won't wash beyond that. I can see a market for the premium in the short term but most people I know have more sense than to pay £1k for a mobile phone. I just hope the sales for the 8 fall below expectations and perhaps it'll be better for the consumer in the coming years.

 

[spinedoc77]

They are both hand in gloves with each other. Samsung also jacked up the price of the Note as well. They knew beforehand how Apple was pricing its products and jumped in to take advantage of the situation. The cost structure has little to do with why the iPhone price has been jacked up by $300.

Apple knows the customers have been starving for a real upgrade since 2014 and took advanatage of the situation in their own way. They have done with with iPad as well. I couldnt find an upgrade for the Air 2 from 2014 and I had to pay the Pro Premium to get the real upgrades.

Oh absolutely, both companies are jacking up the prices. I don't blame them, they are businesses and will charge what the market will bear. I don't think the market will bear Samsung so much, but they know that and that's why they have so many discounts, sales, BOGO's and offer so much free merchandise/accessories. I think Samsung just wants that flagship pedigree that some define as the phones price, but knows it can't sustain that pricing.

 

[Radon87000]

I'm not sure Apple will be able to charge the premium indefinitely.

You say that but thats because its only now that it reached that 1k barrier that you started to feel the pinch but they have already done this on iPad with the Pro lineup since 2015 when they jacked up iPad prices by $150 and no one bats an eye because it didnt break that barrier.

The only product whose prices they have reduced till now is the iPad 2017 and even then they still removed the laminated display of the Air 2 to achieve that price.

 

[spinedoc77]

I'm not sure Apple will be able to charge the premium indefinitely. The landscape is changing and as Android improves, people like myself will look at other options. They might be able to treat OLED like its brand new this year but it won't wash beyond that. I can see a market for the premium in the short term but most people I know have more sense than to pay £1k for a mobile phone. I just hope the sales for the 8 fall below expectations and perhaps it'll be better for the consumer in the coming years.

Only time will tell. Apple is probably one of the few companies in the world who could actually sustain that pricing. But even Apple isn't infallible, I look to things like the apple watch edition and even the apple watch itself which has poor resale value and you can't take a step without tripping over a significant sale or deal. It's not really a matter of "sense" though, as consumers we all have things which we overpaid for and we don't truly need.

 

[Michael Goff]

I'm not bothered either way.

Not saying you have to be. Some people just aren't bothered because they use their phones for non-media related tasks or fond LCD "good enough". I'm just saying it's a demonstrable difference between the best OLED and best LCD.

 

[Radon87000]

If Android actually came up with a proper iPad competitor and Android wear, I would ditch iOS for good. Its thanks to the AW and iPad, I have to get the iPhone for the complete experience.

 

[Michael Goff]

If Android actually came up with a proper iPad competitor and Android wear, I would ditch iOS for good. Its thanks to the AW and iPad, I have to get the iPhone for the complete experience.

Yeah, Google needs to release a new Pixel C and a Pixel watch. Because right now the best non Apple Watch wearable is running Tizen. And the best Android tablet is the Tab S3.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

You say that but thats because its only now that it reached that 1k barrier that you started to feel the pinch but they have already done this on iPad with the Pro lineup since 2015 when they jacked up iPad prices by $150 and no one bats an eye because it didnt break that barrier.

The only product whose prices they have reduced till now is the iPad 2017 and even then they still removed the laminated display of the Air 2 to achieve that price.

Indeed they reduced the price of the 2017 iPad which I bought. I'm very happy with the screen quality on it and it is in no way an inferior product by any stretch of the imagination. It shows they are able to be sensible with pricing and I hope this applies to the iPhone in future.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Not saying you have to be. Some people just aren't bothered because they use their phones for non-media related tasks or fond LCD "good enough". I'm just saying it's a demonstrable difference between the best OLED and best LCD.

If having OLED means putting £400 on the price of an iPhone, I'd rather they drop it completely. It's not the ingredient I need to make the phone feel better than anything else.

 

[Radon87000]

Indeed they reduced the price of the 2017 iPad which I bought. I'm very happy with the screen quality on it and it is in no way an inferior product by any stretch of the imagination. It shows they are able to be sensible with pricing and I hope this applies to the iPhone in future.

They werent sensible with the pricing at all. The Air 2 launched in 2014 and it was already selling at similar prices to the iPad 2017 when it launched. Apple took the Air 2, removed the laminated display offered it at the same price the predecessor was selling at.

They actually ruined my upgrade with the iPad 2017. I bought the iPad Air 2 in 2014 and 3 years later I still didnt find an upgrade for it and had to shell out for the Pro version.

The worst price gouging was the iPad Pro 9.7. They took the Air 2,added DCI P3 color to the display, Apple pencil support and jacked up the price by $150 by calling it "Pro"

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

They werent sensible with the pricing at all. The Air 2 launched in 2014 and it was already selling at similar prices to the iPad 2017 when it launched. Apple took the Air 2, removed the laminated display offered it at the same price the predecessor was selling at.

They actually ruined my upgrade with the iPad 2017. I bought the iPad Air 2 in 2014 and 3 years later I still didnt find an upgrade for it and had to shell out for the Pro version.

The worst price gouging was the iPad Pro 9.7. They took the Air 2,added DCI P3 color to the display, Apple pencil support and jacked up the price by $150 by calling it "Pro"

Fair enough, but the iPad 2017 was a massive jump from a 2013 iPad Air.

 

[Michael Goff]

If having OLED means putting £400 on the price of an iPhone, I'd rather they drop it completely. It's not the ingredient I need to make the phone feel better than anything else.

And I couldn't see myself going back to a phone without OLED because this is my main computer now.

 

[Radon87000]

It's not the ingredient I need to make the phone feel better than anything else.

You should try out Samsung's top notch OLED displays. You will change your mind.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

You should try out Samsung's top notch OLED displays. You will change your mind.

Well I haven't so far and I view content on a S7 Edge pretty much every lunchtime at work. I prefer iOS and will not pay a premium for OLED. It's not compelling enough a feature to justify the price imo.