It sure does. We'll see what Apple's strategy is here. Especially if they really are losing Touch ID.
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Do you plan to switch from iPhone to Android? (2016)
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It sure does. We'll see what Apple's strategy is here. Especially if they really are losing Touch ID.
Wrong. I bought the iPhone 7 knowing it was not a suBstantial upgrade. I bought it because I was bored and tired of my old phone. There is a difference between a substantial upgrade and old hardware. I upgrade my video card every single year despite the difference being hardly 10-12 fps in games which could be insubstantial for many.
Intel's processors have factually shown incremental improvements since Sandy Bridge yet they continued to break records till now when Ryzen just overtook Intel in sales
The 5s is just a 5 with touchID. The 64bit does nothing with my user experience. NVIDIA just unlocked certain professional features in the TitanXP through a driver update a few weeks ago . Those features are irrelevant to the owners of those cards as its a gaming card
iPhone 6 was a substantial upgrade because of the larger screen which impacted the user expereince. Its the reason why Apple till now has yet to top the growth charts set by the 6 and 6 plus
The 6S is a 6 with 3DT and 2gb of ram. The 2 gigs is definitely useful but not something I would blow $800 on
List of USERFACING substantial features on the iPhone 8
Curved, edge-to-edge bezelless OLED display with True Tone technology and ProMotion 9 (the single most impactful feature of the iPhone 8)
Virtual home button
Facial recognition
AR capabilities featuring rear-facing 3D laser for enhanced depth perception
Wireless charging
If Apple continue to make a 6.4 iPhone next wear with even higher pricing while the 7s lineup stagnates its safe to say its selling well
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I tend to use Apple Pay with my watch because it's much more discreet than using the phone at a checkout. I found I looked like a bit of a knob doing it with the iPhone. At least with the watch you can activate it and hold your sleeve close to the terminal. With facial scanning I envisage you having to stand looking at your iPhone while holding it up to pay. There are quite a few shops I wouldn't be comfortable doing that.
Wrong you are I debating something that is purely subjective. I thought the 7 was substantial enough over the 6s to justify its purchase.
The iPhone x edition is another iPhone with a different screen, which in and of itself does nothing for my user experience. 64 bit like a turbo in a car enhances one experience even if you don't know why.
Again, you cannot talk for me. I skipped the 6 because I didn't want a bigger screen although Apple Pay was cool.
Again by your definition of the 5s or 6 or 6s or 7 wasn't substantial neither is the next iPhone.
I view them as incremental improvements similar to Apple Pay, Touch ID, 3dt etc.
Revenue chart since 2013 says all iPhones sell well.
Same. This is probably why I"m out on the iPhone Edition or whatever. I am not going back to no Touch ID on my phone, and I don't know that I want to lift the phone to my face anytime I need to unlock it for any reason.
It feels more natural than you think. You're never really holding it up and out awkwardly straight across your face. You're really just looking down to it.
When I face unlock on my S8, I literally pull it out of my pocket and bring it to just about where I'd be using it anyway. And it unlocks almost instantly.
Will you view the edge to edge oled display on the iPhone 8 as incramental too or will that be game changing?
Maybe that's how Apple plans to get/keep people in their ecosystem. Goodbye Touch ID for Apply Pay, but you can use Apple Watch.
I would just prefer to have more options as iris scanning or face detection are not as discreet as using a finger print scanner.
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I don't know I think using the Watch gets more attention. I usually get a comment like wow did you just pay with your watch, or I've never seen that done before.
However using my Apple Watch is far more convenient than using my phone. Today at work I was taking one of my patients out and we went for a coffee. I hadn't brought my phone or my purse but I had my Apple Watch on because I always have it on unless I'm asleep, in the shower or doing the washing up. Anyway I was still able to use my watch to buy myself a drink.
I dont even like the look of the rumors of the next iPhone which is why I will see what the 7s brings and probably get that. It will be a good seller but is it game changing? No. The iPhone 6 wasn't game changing either in the display probably more for Apple Pay, imo, but it sure was popular.
I have had that, but I had it more with the phone. Quite often I double tap the button while it's still up my sleeve and just hold my wrist up to the terminal. People know you've paid with a watch but have no idea what sort. I've found if they don't see the watch then they rarely comment. You're right it's much more convenient and gets the job done quicker without fumbling around in pockets.
Wait, is there a LCD currently on a smartphone which is better than samsungs OLED, which is in relation to this particular thread? I understand what you are saying about poor quality, but 2 of the biggest oems (lg and Samsung) are releasing top of the line OLEDs. The nexus 6 is a pretty old phone, 4 years right? Where are all the "bad" OLED panels? Maybe all the Chinese vendors?
I wonder why Apple chose to go OLED then? From what I understand they are paying a large premium for the panels from Samsung, and they also introduce all kinds of complications due to the separate touch layer, 3D Touch, etc. From what I've read Apple is getting crappier panels from a Samsung factory in Vietnam because they need the touch layer separate from the display panel. Just seems odd for Apple to go through so much trouble to switch to OLED if they could have provided a superior experience with LCD.
I'm with you. I'm glad Samsung didn't have the "courage" to just flat out lose the FPS scanner. The S8's FPS location isn't ideal, but it's better than non-existent. And on the regular S8, it's really not difficult to reach at all.
We'll see which rumor pans out for Touch ID! On the back? On the side? Under the display (would be an amazing surprise)? Or just gone?
How do you activate it on the watch? Do you have to enter a code every time or something?
Checkout the LG V30 screen uniformity, its pretty horrid.
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/tech...-v30-oled-display-has-issues-says-report.html
I wonder what Apple and Google are thinking seeing this. They are both investing billions of dollars into OLED production from LG.
Yes as I have already said Samsung also made the Super AMOLED Panels for the Pixel and Pixel XL, which many LCDs including those on the iPhone 7 are better. Just because Samsung are making the panel doesn't mean Apple will get the same quality panel as the Note8, it may get one equivalent to the Pixel.
Then there is the V30, OnePlus 3/3T/5, Moto Z Force 2 - all of which have very good panels but are certainly not better than the best IPS LCD's as they all have issues either with subpixel clarity / softness, outdoor visibility, uniformity etc ...
Why OLED for iPhone 8.
They likely I sumise chose OLED because of the way each pixel is lit independently and with no need for a separate backlight would allow for more reliable uniformity given the iPhone 8 is using an unconventional shape with cutouts, which an LCD and it's backlight would potentially struggle with.
Here is a prime example where a display technology (OLED in this case) is more suited to the device, but that doesn't automatically guarantee a better display compared to other LCD's in general terms.
I honestly have answered this a dozen times now on this thread even I'm becoming bored of the subject
We can only hope Apple obtains a panel with the quality of the Note8 or S7/ S8, albeit colour calibrated more towards Samsung's SRGB Basic mode given Apple prefer realistic colours generally.
If they do it's win win, but it is not guaranteed they will get a panel from Samsung as good.
But this is all by the by. This discussion and importantly (so I will reiterate) the point I was making was on the general presumption asserted and declared here repeatedly that ALL OLED ARE BETTER THAN LCD which is definitely not the case.
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Its why i like to stick with Samsung, they have great phone displays in their flagships.
Everything has a price, if Apple are prepared to fork out enough the iPhone 8 could have a similar panel quality to the Note 8. Hopefully Samsung reinvest a chunk of that money into their OLED technology.
They really do.
And I don't think the edge panels are appreciated enough. Everyone is doing flat OLED, which is fine. I just like how cutting edge and sleek the s8 feels. I love using this device -- actually picking it up and using it. The ergonomics and form factor are top notch. It's a beauty, with a curved screen that's been refined over years.
Yes as I have already said Samsung also made the Super AMOLED Panels for the Pixel and Pixel XL, which many LCDs including those on the iPhone 7 are better. Just because Samsung are making the panel doesn't mean Apple will get the same quality panel as the Note8, it may get one equivalent to the Pixel.
Then there is the V30, OnePlus 3/3T/5, Moto Z Force 2 - all of which have very good panels but are certainly not better than the best IPS LCD's as they all have issues either with subpixel clarity / softness, outdoor visibility, uniformity etc ...
Why OLED for iPhone 8.
They likely I sumise chose OLED because of the way each pixel is lit independently and with no need for a separate backlight would allow for more reliable uniformity given the iPhone 8 is using an unconventional shape with cutouts, which an LCD and it's backlight would potentially struggle with.
Here is a prime example where a display technology (OLED in this case) is more suited to the device, but that doesn't automatically guarantee a better display compared to other LCD's in general terms.
I honestly have answered this a dozen times now on this thread even I'm becoming bored of the subject
We can only hope Apple obtains a panel with the quality of the Note8 or S7/ S8, albeit colour calibrated more towards Samsung's SRGB Basic mode given Apple prefer realistic colours generally.
If they do it's win win, but it is not guaranteed they will get a panel from Samsung as good.
But this is all by the by. This discussion and importantly (so I will reiterate) the point I was making was on the general presumption asserted and declared here repeatedly that ALL OLED ARE BETTER THAN LCD which is definitely not the case.
Wait, let me ask a 3rd time. Does there currently exist a LCD smartphone display which is better than a Samsung OLED display? I hear you when you say there are worse OLED displays than the iphones LCD display, but that's not my question. My point is, is there something better that Apple can shoot for in terms of keeping LCD? Apple seems like a company which only uses the best of the best, yet their LCD is clearly inferior to Samsung's OLED displays, even if it's nothing more than contrast/black levels, although subjectively I'd say it's a lot more than that. But once again, it just seems very odd that Apple would go to the trouble of probably doubling its display cost and multiplying it's manufacturing issues to the point where the ip8 may be significantly delayed and more costly. I'd think they have been actively researching how to improve their LCD displays.
So while I do understand the point you are making, I'd be much more interested in comparing the best versus the best, as I can only assume that both Apple and Samsung strive to this stringent level based on their reputation and cost of their flagships, which is illustrated by Displaymate saying the iPhone has the "best" LCD and Samsung has the "best" OLED. Not all of us (really not anyone that I can see) is saying that ALL OLED displays are better than ALL LCD displays, we are intelligent enough to understand that display panels vary by manufacturer just like anything else, memory, chips, processors, etc etc. But regardless of the difference in quality the industry seems to steer towards the best technology. Comparing the quality levels of different OLED manufacturers just seems moot and an exercise in frustration when it's besides the point of which display technology can be better based on optimal production.
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Yes as I have answered now 3 times.
Samsung produce and supply the OLED panels to a number of different OEMs
The panel in the Google Pixel is a 100% Samsung Super AMOLED panel.
Despite this; Many LCD's are better than it.
How hard is that to grasp ?
If your question is actually 'is there a better LCD than the Note8 or S8 screens' - which is a completely different question altogether, then personally I think the Note8 screen likely the best screen on a smartphone right now.
But you are not asking that.
You are asking is there a better screen than Samsung OLED and generalising the whole thing which is the whole point of my explanation of why that kind of discussion and generalisation is wrong on many technical levels.
Samsung OLED is not a single fixed display entity of only 1 variation.
Samsung make and supply Samsung OLED to many other manufacturers / OEMs (just like they are going to do with Apple) and that includes Meizu, Vivo and Motorola. Even the Samsung AMOLED displays in the Samsung A5, A7, J2017 are not the same as the ones in the Note 8 or S8. Yet all are Samsung OLED.
Nearly all Samsung OLED panels outside of the ones used directly on their own flagships are quantifiablly not as good as many of the better/best IPS LCD's.
So asking is there an LCD better than Samsung OLED then the answer is YES, because Samsung OLED exists in a multitude of states, forms and quality.
Honestly I'm sick of discussing this now as it feels like I'm bashing my head against a wall.
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I was really tempted with the Pixel. My iphone 7 is fully paid off. But when I enquired with Verizon and was given a 2-3 month ship time I said no thank you. Plus I have used other Android phones in the past (example: original Moto x) and I seem to always go back to iOS. I rely on icloud to sync with all my other Apple devices. And iCloud backup can't be beat. It's not that I don't like Android I mean it has it's good points. Juts at this point it really doesn't fit my eco system.