iPad Pro Do you think wwdc21 will bring the m1 ruckus?

[rui no onna]

A very large number of people IS using it as their sole computing device. Most likely not in the way you like to use it I presume, but they are out there. ?

To be honest, there are a vast number of users who are using their smartphones as their sole computing device (for personal use, at least).

For the average person, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, Netflix, etc. with the occasional foray into the more boring stuff (budgeting, finances, etc) is all that's needed and a smartphone can handle that just fine. It's likely why large phones have become the norm.

The tablet is a luxury for those wanting even bigger displays.

 

[richpjr]

A very large number of people IS using it as their sole computing device. Most likely not in the way you like to use it I presume, but they are out there. ?

Agree - to clarify, I think a lot more could use it with better external monitor support and better multi-tasking.

 

[Isengardtom]

My parents use a basic iPad was their main computer. What do you really need at home, especially when you’re retired : some banking apps, some web browsing, some apps to book holidays, youtube, Netflix, some basic games, social media, photo albums, music,…

All things iPads do really well

 

[DMG35]

And up to this point... iPadOS isn't capable in it's current state to take advantage of the power and RAM. Indeed, I am hoping for a different approach with mulitasking, revamped Files app and we are certainly getting widgets anywhere on the Homescreen. However, the M1 iPP needs to stand out as well.

I think it's more to that, the Epic and Apple trial shows that Apple is aware of the chatter.. I'm not sure if you followed it. But there were email exchanges from Apple executives on various topics and I think there's so much momentum right now for the iPad.

If there isn't any significant features specifically for the M1 iPP, it would be more of a let down for Apple. The blogs will be heavily criticizing Apple and content creators will take part in the action as well.

The M1 isn't going to stand out except that it might run an app faster than another iPad. Apple is absolutely not going to do anything special for the iPad Pro, because they can't. Why people think this is baffling. iPad OS is iPad OS, and that's all there is to it. I know this because I can look at every other single Pro and non Pro device that Apple offers. They all do the same thing outside of some hardware differences. There is no difference in the OS for each model and that is never going to change.

 

[Slartibart]

Apple really doesn't have an incentive to. Every year, we hear the same thing ''Just wait until WWDC!".

But you are not hearing that from Apple. I doubt that Apple’s vision for the iPad has much changed since the introduction of iPadOS - which has a lot room for just error fixing for the current version - and the Apple Pencil.

I'm seeing folks buy products on promises that never was promised.

I see also a lot of people who buy products because the exactly know what they want to do.

Also, I think M2 or M3 is where we will see a significant OS change. An even large amount of folks will want to upgrade by then and it just makes financial sense.

I think that the idea that the processor of a device doesn’t matter any more (because it’s simply the same) appears strange to accept for some. You can now choose according to what you want to do.

Au contraire what many are writing on MR there are people out there who run businesses solely on iPadOS. Other run other businesses solely on MacOS.

I understand the wish for convenience - but here on Earth 1 certain tools are recommended for certain tasks. Wether you buy a Rivian R1T or a R1S depends on your use - the 0-60 mph performance has become irrelevant because it is just the same. ?

 

[Flabasha]

The OS won’t ever tax these processors (thank God), so if you’re looking for something that will take advantage of the speed, it’ll all come down to AAA software developers. Larian has said that the sales performance of Divinity 2 is being closely watched around the industry, to see if people will pony up $30+ for iOS software.

EDIT: So, for instance, I play Divinity 2 on my MacBook Pro. I always thought I’d buy the iOS version when it came, for cross-platform play... but then I realized I could already play on my iPad using Steam Connect. So, I’ve ended up not buying it for iOS. It’ll be interesting to see if that experience is common.

 

[PrettyWings]

The iPad Pro already had an M1 chip, it just had a different name. And no, the OS won't be raised for any of the Pro models. You see Apple doing that for the MacBook Pro, Mac Pro, or iPhone Pro? Its just wishful thinking because Apple overpowered these new iPads, which really isn't anything new because they have always been overpowered for the OS.

I guarantee you there will be nothing significant for the newest iPad Pro's that isn't available on every iPad (outside of maybe some Pro apps) come WWDC.

I don’t know where that came from. Because there were other chips made for the iPad that doesn’t make them M1 chips.

Guarantee? Neither of us know **** ?

 

[joscejrod]

My most desired feature to include in iPadOS is multi-user management, at least with two users. Now we have an iPad at home, and all main things are shut down (message, mail, safari history, etc) because my girlfriend and me would like to access our own session with personal data/settings. Is this too much to ask Apple? ?

Do you think we have any possibility to get that??

No one thinks that Apple could introduce this feature in ipados 15?

 

[Falhófnir]

The M1 isn't going to stand out except that it might run an app faster than another iPad. Apple is absolutely not going to do anything special for the iPad Pro, because they can't. Why people think this is baffling. iPad OS is iPad OS, and that's all there is to it. I know this because I can look at every other single Pro and non Pro device that Apple offers. They all do the same thing outside of some hardware differences. There is no difference in the OS for each model and that is never going to change.

I tend to agree with this, for better or worse the bar is largely set by the least powerful supported iPad, the alternative is Android style fragmentation where you can buy a brand-new low end device and have it not work with some of the latest apps.

A curveball is a specific iPadOS Pro, but that’s just a different sort of fragmentation (a little neater from the end users perspective though?) but I think there’s very long odds on that.

 

[Slartibart]

iPad OS is iPad OS, and that's all there is to it. I know this because I can look at every other single Pro and non Pro device that Apple offers. They all do the same thing outside of some hardware differences. There is no difference in the OS for each model and that is never going to change.

Which doesn’t mean that iPad Pros can’t do stuff other iPads simply can’t do. It depends on the app. iPadOS becomes - and should be actually - irrelevant at some point.
Yes, certain things (wether missing or being only partly implemented) would be highly welcome, but at the end of the day it’s the apps which count.
If it does what I want to do, I do not care about the intrinsic specifics of the OS. Why would I?

OS functions of course set the framework for app functions, but I think what’s actually impacting app development much more now is the pricing on iPadOS.
I think we can all agree that’s really low - in case of certain apps even ridiculously low.
So probably often a development for iPadOS doesn’t make sense from a business point of view (?) - the dominating mentality seems to be that an app is free or available for a much lower price compared to e.g. MacOS.
Even when there is functional parity between both version.
Even when in e.g. pre-M1 2020 the iPad Pro was running circles around most of the Intel-MacBooks in certain applications.

 

[Slartibart]

My most desired feature to include in iPadOS is multi-user management, at least with two users. Now we have an iPad at home, and all main things are shut down (message, mail, safari history, etc) because my girlfriend and me would like to access our own session with personal data/settings. Is this too much to ask Apple? ?

Do you think we have any possibility to get that??

that’s actually already implemented - Apple’s Shared iPad functionality relies on acloud-based synchronization model and it’s really only for schools. You’ll need the Apple School Manager service to get this set up.

 

[jk73]

No one thinks that Apple could introduce this feature in ipados 15?

I’d love to see it happen, but I’m guessing Apple prefers everyone to buy their own iPad.

 

[applematic]

I really hope it does… leaning towards keeping the M1 iPad Pro 12.9, it’d be nice to know what they have in store for iPadOS though

 

[Ludatyk]

The M1 isn't going to stand out except that it might run an app faster than another iPad. Apple is absolutely not going to do anything special for the iPad Pro, because they can't.

Huh? What do you mean by Apple can’t? Perhaps.. you think that if Apple decides to separate certain features from non-M1 iPads, that it would cause backlash among iPad users? Well, tbf… that’s part of having the latest and greatest technology. Some features are withheld from other devices… because of hardware limitations.

There is no difference in the OS for each model and that is never going to change.

Let me remind you. Back when SplitView/SlideOver was introduced… some models were limited in what they were able to do.

 

[DMG35]

Huh? What do you mean by Apple can’t? Perhaps.. you think that if Apple decides to separate certain features from non-M1 iPads, that it would cause backlash among iPad users? Well, tbf… that’s part of having the latest and greatest technology. Some features are withheld from other devices… because of hardware limitations.

Let me remind you. Back when SplitView/SlideOver was introduced… some models were limited in what they were able to do.

Its still the sameOS. And I’m not saying their can’t be some small new features but nothing the 208 and 2020 models cant do. But no way a different OS.

 

[Ludatyk]

Its still the sameOS.

Yes. But there are software features that separates them. All I’m trying to explain is… Apple will provide the same (to a certain extent) experience of iPadOS 15 to all compatible models. But there will be features set aside for the M1 iPP.

 

[DMG35]

Yes. But there are software features that separates them. All I’m trying to explain is… Apple will provide the same (to a certain extent) experience of iPadOS 15 to all compatible models. But there will be features set aside for the M1 iPP.

Maybe for all iPad Pros but not just the M1. Someone who bought a Pro 2 months ago is excluded? I don’t think so.

 

[Surne]

We'll see. Personally I'm waiting to see if WWDC shows the iPad being useful to me or not. If they make an announcement that makes the iPad Pro useful to me, like that they've merged MacOS with iPadOS and I can run all my desktop apps on the iPad, I'll be snatching one up right away or at least ASAP as they will probably be so hugely popular there could be massive supply issues on that announcement alone.

If they make some lame "pro" apps announcement which ends up being a select few desktop caliber apps, then I'll end up getting one of the upcoming Mac Pros instead. I would much rather have the form factor of an iPad though taking over my laptop/general computing duties so I hope that they don't keep it gimped with only some "pro" apps and start letting the M1 iPad pro shine to it's full calling and potential which is access to the whole Mac/desktop application platform.

 

[rui no onna]

Maybe for all iPad Pros but not just the M1. Someone who bought a Pro 2 months ago is excluded? I don’t think so.

If the older hardware can’t handle it (e.g. RAM too low, minimum storage too low, causes too much SSD wear on 64GB, etc), then yes, Apple can and has restricted features before. The 6GB RAM and 128GB minimum storage on the 2020 could allow it to make the cut, though.

 

[okbymeman]

Well I can guarantee you that the iPad won’t have access to the whole MacOS platform. It isn’t happening, so might as well just forget it. The whole point of developing iOS was to get away from that desktop paradigm.

 

[DMG35]

We'll see. Personally I'm waiting to see if WWDC shows the iPad being useful to me or not. If they make an announcement that makes the iPad Pro useful to me, like that they've merged MacOS with iPadOS and I can run all my desktop apps on the iPad, I'll be snatching one up right away or at least ASAP as they will probably be so hugely popular there could be massive supply issues on that announcement alone.

If they make some lame "pro" apps announcement which ends up being a select few desktop caliber apps, then I'll end up getting one of the upcoming Mac Pros instead. I would much rather have the form factor of an iPad though taking over my laptop/general computing duties so I hope that they don't keep it gimped with only some "pro" apps and start letting the M1 iPad pro shine to it's full calling and potential which is access to the whole Mac/desktop application platform.

They’ve already said that macOS and iPadOS will remain separate.

 

[Crow_Servo]

Uh, no. CPU is 75 times faster than the original iPad released in 2010.

Compared to 1st gen iPad Pros though, it's more like 3x single-core and 6-7x multi-core.

Oh really? I thought they said original iPad Pro. My bad.

 

[TheColtr]

So, the M1 Macs can run iPadOS apps... it would be nice to see iPadOS be able to run M1 Mac apps. But... that's the pipe dream. Sadly, I'm not expecting much out of WWDC21. Too many times we've had the "Charlie Brown with Lucy and the football" at these, and it just ends up being small spec/feature bumps.

I can hope for more though

While I’d love this, I think bringing UIKit to macOS is easier than moving AppKit to iPadOS. I think there are too many APIs that would be broken without a huge rewrite of iPadOS core functions. Plus unless Apple opened up iPadOS to unknown apps downloaded from the internet then AppKit doesn’t make much sense. Just look at the Mac AppStore.

 

[cardfan]

Well I can guarantee you that the iPad won’t have access to the whole MacOS platform. It isn’t happening, so might as well just forget it. The whole point of developing iOS was to get away from that desktop paradigm.

And yet that’s what users want. And what apple keeps adding. Mouse. Kb. iPadOS will never deliver without a major rewrite which they also wouldn’t do. May as well bring macOS to iPad Pro. It’s a nobrainer for apple. The only people against having options are the cheerleader trolls.

 

[iPadified]

The OS won’t ever tax these processors (thank God), so if you’re looking for something that will take advantage of the speed, it’ll all come down to AAA software developers. Larian has said that the sales performance of Divinity 2 is being closely watched around the industry, to see if people will pony up $30+ for iOS software.

EDIT: So, for instance, I play Divinity 2 on my MacBook Pro. I always thought I’d buy the iOS version when it came, for cross-platform play... but then I realized I could already play on my iPad using Steam Connect. So, I’ve ended up not buying it for iOS. It’ll be interesting to see if that experience is common.

Spot on. There are so many people that do not understand the difference between an OS and an app. There are some OS dependent updates that is needed/can be done:

-increase the RAM roof for an app
-external monitor support should be better so it is not just mirror of the iPad screen.

Add FCP and Logic to the apps. Enable the use the iPad for control/input device when connected to an external monitor.

Civ VI is also reloading frequency on 4 GB iPad Pro models. That is irritating as it takes 1-2 minute to load the game. If I had the new iPP I would buy the latests XCOM and Divinity 2 (I play them as well!) just to get rid of the stupid money grabbing of in app purchases. I wish all apps have pay once and use forever option unless of course there are add ons to the games/app to purchase.