iPad Pro Do you think wwdc21 will bring the m1 ruckus?

[Apple_Robert]

That might be true, but any Pro iPad will be able to run them and they absolutely won't be exclusive to the M1 iPads.

I'm not really understanding why people think the M1 iPad is somehow different than any other upgrade Apple offers each year. Its literally an update to the 12x and 12z chips they've been using. Just because they slapped the M1 name on it doesn't make it some unicorn iPad that is going to be able to run apps that other iPads can't run. They all can and will continue to be able to run the same things. The big allure to the iPads this year isn't the chip, its the screen. I see a little difference between this years iPad and my older 2018 model, but there is literally barely any difference between this years model and the 2020 model that my wife has.

I have an M1 MacBook Pro and it doesn't do anything my old intel MacBook Pro can't do. Are their supposed to be some Pro Apps that make my M1 laptop special? If so, what are they? Apple really did some marketing magic this year with their new iPads to make people think this.

Apple being Apple could decide to limit the ability to install Logic and FC to the new iPad. I really don't see that happening. I think a of people around here are looking for something to be happy about and help justify their upgrade to the new iPad.

 

[rui no onna]

Uh, it directly contradicts the contention that there's nothing you can do on an M1 iPad Pro that you can't do on any other iPad. You literally can't buy the game unless you're on one of those models shown - they're not just suggestions.

You can actually install the game on any iPad with A12 minimum. The game will refuse to play though.

I don't think the App Store currently has a way of limiting its compatibility list based on graphics performance.

 

[Ludatyk]

Apple being Apple could decide to limit the ability to install Logic and FC to the new iPad. I really don't see that happening. I think a of people around here are looking for something to be happy about and help justify their upgrade to the new iPad.

Well, I know you would like to see amazing features for M1 iPP... But I know you don’t see nothing groundbreaking happening for iPadOS 15. However, all this chatter about M1 iPP users need help in justifying their purchases, it kind of goes both ways… IMO. You don’t think Apple wants to make sure M1 iPP software features are well received.

Apple have Tim Cook come out in this thief-like grand style way while showing how amazing M1 is on iPP… they go on and on about this in the presentation. And you don’t see nothing groundbreaking happening for iPadOS 15 (in regards to M1 IPP)? Of course, we are all speculating here.

My thought process is… why would Apple go through all that trouble announcing the M1, advertising RAM on the website… to only give us a mediocre iPadOS 15.

 

[Apple_Robert]

Well, I know you would like to see amazing features for M1 iPP... But I know you don’t see nothing groundbreaking happening for iPadOS 15. However, all this chatter about M1 iPP users need help in justifying their purchases, it kind of goes both ways… IMO. You don’t think Apple wants to make sure M1 iPP software features are well received.

Apple have Tim Cook come out in this thief-like grand style way while showing how amazing M1 is on iPP… they go on and on about this in the presentation. And you don’t see nothing groundbreaking happening for iPadOS 15 (in regards to M1 IPP)? Of course, we are all speculating here.

My thought process is… why would Apple go through all that trouble announcing the M1, advertising RAM on the website… to only give us a mediocre iPadOS 15.

I agree that logically you would think something big is coming. Unfortunately, we are talking about Apple and we all know their history.

 

[Mt44]

Those that are waiting on specific M1 iPP features for iPadOS… will certainly return it if those features aren’t huge. I‘ve been consistent with saying as much, I won’t be abandoning Apple nor the iPP. But I just won’t see the benefit in having the latest and greatest iPP, when Apple hasn’t provided any reason to do so.

Can’t argue with any of this.

 

[DMG35]

Uh, it directly contradicts the contention that there's nothing you can do on an M1 iPad Pro that you can't do on any other iPad. You literally can't buy the game unless you're on one of those models shown - they're not just suggestions.

It goes without saying that a dev can limit their software to what the hardware will support. I’m not refuting that. I’m just saying that I don’t think that Apple is going to launch some different OS for the M1 iPad Pro that none of the other iPads can run. And I know this because that’s the way they run all of their software. There isn’t different software for the MacBook or Mac Pro line and their isn’t different software for the iPhone Pro line. I could be totally wrong, but that’s just my opinion on it. I hope I am wrong as I own an M1 iPad Pro but didn’t buy it on the hopes that some feature would be launched for it at WWDC, which obviously some people did.

 

[DMG35]

Last time I checked, the A14 can’t even get close to these scores that the M1 is putting out.

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Lol I couldn’t care less about what those scores report. None of that matters next to real world performance, and I know for a fact that the M1 isn’t’ that much of a jump performance wise from the 2020 iPad Pro.

 

[DMG35]

Vocal minority.

Meanwhile, even normies like my aunt have heard about the new iPad Pro with the better display and Mac CPU (never mind that the CPU tech originated from iPads and it's overkill for social media and streaming).

If she hadn't broken her 2017 Pro 12.9 two months earlier and bought a replacement 2020 ASAP, she probably would've gotten the 2021 Pro. The $100 price increase is pretty negligible.

Its not the vocal minority that the 2021 iPad Pro isn’t significantly faster in real world testing than the 2020 iPad Pro. Its faster yes, but not blow your mind faster like it would be comparing it to an iPad from 4 years ago.

 

[DMG35]

May I ask why you’re being so negative? especially when we haven’t even seen what’s arriving at WWDC

Plenty of people have noticed a difference, I’ve noticed a massive difference coming from a 3rd gen pro.

How on earth am I being negative? How is it negative to say that I don’t think that Apple is going to release some type of special OS for the M1 iPad Pro? I really hope they do but I just don’t think they will separate that one single iPad out to run a different OS than any of the other iPads. I’m sorry but that‘s my opinion on it and if a difference in opinion is negative to you then sorry about that.

 

[LogicalApex]

It goes without saying that a dev can limit their software to what the hardware will support. I’m not refuting that. I’m just saying that I don’t think that Apple is going to launch some different OS for the M1 iPad Pro that none of the other iPads can run. And I know this because that’s the way they run all of their software. There isn’t different software for the MacBook or Mac Pro line and their isn’t different software for the iPhone Pro line. I could be totally wrong, but that’s just my opinion on it. I hope I am wrong as I own an M1 iPad Pro but didn’t buy it on the hopes that some feature would be launched for it at WWDC, which obviously some people did.

They may not allow macOS, but they may very well allow macOS apps from the App Store similar to iPadOS apps on M1 Macs in Big Sur. They could also very much limit this to 2021 iPP.

We will see on Monday what they do or don’t do though…

 

[DMG35]

My thought process is… why would Apple go through all that trouble announcing the M1, advertising RAM on the website… to only give us a mediocre iPadOS 15.

So people will buy them as a reason to justify the upgrade.

 

[rui no onna]

Its not the vocal minority that the 2021 iPad Pro isn’t significantly faster in real world testing than the 2020 iPad Pro. Its faster yes, but not blow your mind faster like it would be comparing it to an iPad from 4 years ago.

I expect most "normal" users with a 2020 iPad Pro wouldn't be looking to upgrade to the 2021.

Historically, most single generation upgrades aren't "blow your mind" faster, either.

 

[Ludatyk]

So people will buy them as a reason to justify the upgrade.

I don’t know if you trolling… but if you read my entire post, I mention it goes both ways. Apple plays a part in keeping me invested.

I‘ve been an iPad user since the 2nd generation… I’m fully aware of the changes Apple has made over the past. And I believe this is new territory for Apple in regards to marketing a chip found in the Mac in addition to advertising RAM, but you can believe whatever you care to believe.

 

[PrettyWings]

You forget that they’ve already done things that suggest it, like making iPad apps run natively on Macs.



Because that’s dumb, greedy and unsustainable.



They certainly must have realized the strong implication coming from making the Mac and iPad run the same CPU. It can’t just be about cost savings for them, with zero benefits for users, or they risk ticking a lot of their customers off.

Right. It means something that they're telling us this. It seems they could've had the savings by using the same chip without saying anything.

So we're saying they chose the name of one of their product components (iPad Pro chip) just so they would get an extremely short term (April 30th to June 7th?) sales boost? Doesn't make sense.

 

[ian87w]

Imo things won't change abruptly. Even the road to supporting iPad apps on macOS didn't happen overnight. Apple baked in the frameworks first in previous macOS versions prior to Big Sur.

So imo iPadOS 15 won't be that "big change" from user perspective. However, I bet for developers, there will be new APIs/frameworks that they can start working with, preparing them for version 16 or 17 when even more changes will be introduced. I'm going to guess the first shot will be Apple's own Pro apps. They will be first ported to iPad (with proper UI changes), showcasing the unifying frameworks and APIs between iPadOS and macOS.

 

[PrettyWings]

I don’t know if you trolling… but if you read my entire post, I mention it goes both ways. Apple plays a part in keeping me invested.

I‘ve been an iPad user since the 2nd generation… I’m fully aware of the changes Apple has made over the past. And I believe this is new territory for Apple in regards to marketing a chip found in the Mac in addition to advertising RAM, but you can believe whatever you care to believe.

This is definitely a turning point. I don't know why we're pretending that them now selling a tablet with the same processor found in their traditional computers and allowing you to choose between two RAM configurations, like they allow you to do with their traditional computers, doesn't mean anything.

2 months ago it seems people would've said you were crazy if you told them the iPad Pro was about to get the M1 chip.

 

[rui no onna]

2 months ago it seems people would've said you were crazy if you told them the iPad Pro was about to get the M1 chip.

I wasn't sure how Apple would handle branding but regardless of what name the chip had, it would've had M1 performance anyway. There was really no other option considering the A14 (Air 4) and A12Z (2020 Pro) performance.

With that said, I was only hoping for 8GB RAM (since the M1 Macs had 2x4GB base anyway). I was pleasantly surprised to see a 16GB option (already planned on 1TB anyway). Really enjoying not having constant reloads anymore.

 

[iPadified]

I take photographs which right of the camera you won’t be able to even view on a A9x device. Not slower. You just can’t. Editing apps will tell you that the picture can’t be loaded.

They will tell you that even on a A12Z.

And there are other areas where the M1 just does things while the A9x stands in bewildered awe ?

That sounds very strange in particularly for the A12Z. Which editing app and type of photo format?

 

[LFC2020]

How on earth am I being negative? How is it negative to say that I don’t think that Apple is going to release some type of special OS for the M1 iPad Pro? I really hope they do but I just don’t think they will separate that one single iPad out to run a different OS than any of the other iPads. I’m sorry but that‘s my opinion on it and if a difference in opinion is negative to you then sorry about that.

The whole world knows macOS will never come to the iPad anytime soon, pro apps are definitely coming to the iPad.

 

[LFC2020]

Lol I couldn’t care less about what those scores report. None of that matters next to real world performance, and I know for a fact that the M1 isn’t’ that much of a jump performance wise from the 2020 iPad Pro.

Think a lot of people will disagree, the M1 chip in the iPad is a huge jump in performance for multi core and graphics, we’ll see first hand what it can do once WWDC arrives ??

Don’t forget more ram and faster ssd as well ??

 

[LFC2020]

Wish apple would switch to 1 week notice before their events, 2 weeks is way to long, hurry up already. ?‍♂️?

Most of apple WWDC pictures, shows everyone being wowed and very happy, WWDC is going to be UNBELIEVABLY AWESOME!!!

GREATNESS is coming ?

 

[Zorori]

I think Apple has done something very deliberate here and I can think no other reason for them to have brought in the M1 and these different RAM configurations if they weren't about to allow the iPad Pro to do more. I do think Pro apps are coming. They won't give it full Mac OS, but they will give it enough to really make it an in-between device.

I guess you also could think of no other reason for the RAM configurations in the 2018 model either. What Pro apps did those users get? The answer is nothing.

 

[Isengardtom]

Wish apple would switch to 1 week notice before their events, 2 weeks is way to long, hurry up already. ?‍♂️?

Most of apple WWDC pictures, shows everyone being wowed and very happy, WWDC is going to be UNBELIEVABLY AWESOME!!!

GREATNESS is coming ?

It would surprise me if everyone would be showing a sad face. ?

 

[LFC2020]

It would surprise me if everyone would be showing a sad face. ?

Trust me, you’ll be in M1 iPad heaven once WWDC is over ????

The iPad will never be the same again ?

 

[iPadified]

Wish apple would switch to 1 week notice before their events, 2 weeks is way to long, hurry up already. ?‍♂️?

Most of apple WWDC pictures, shows everyone being wowed and very happy, WWDC is going to be UNBELIEVABLY AWESOME!!!

GREATNESS is coming ?

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