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lagwagon

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I'm just hoping they planned to add it in the first beta and it simply wasn't ready.

I'm guessing that IF it actually is something real that they intend to implement, it might not show up until beta 4 or 5. Or it might also be something like 3D Touch, not something we'll see until release. (Even though that was a hardware related thing, there always seems to be one thing or surprise added in release not yet previously mentioned.)
 

KeanosMagicHat

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So this is holdover from not liking the iOS 6 -> iOS 7 changes?

I miss the skumorphism too, but really it's been three years, it is time to move on.

This has nothing to do with skeuomorphism. It's the whole brightness of IOS (more especially since version 7) that I have an issue with.

If I go to the Invert Colours setting and toggle it on, I can physically feel my eyes relaxing.

Dark mode would be perfect for me as I could achieve this without messing up the colours of photos etc.
 

Xenden

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This has nothing to do with skeuomorphism. It's the whole brightness of IOS (more especially since version 7) that I have an issue with.

If I go to the Invert Colours setting and toggle it on, I can physically feel my eyes relaxing.

Dark mode would be perfect for me as I could achieve this without messing up the colours of photos etc.


Omg, this is so whiny. My brother has a real eye condition, iritis, that requires him to wear sunglasses anytime the sun is out. If he doesn't complain about this, I think that others can do fine as well.
 

throAU

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Yeah no thanks. Using that in direct sunlight would be extremely difficult and it looks horrible on Facebook and Safari when the background is white and the navigation bars are black. Its not practical at all.

Top tip: Maybe "dark mode" is not intended to be used in direct sunlight, but more useful in dark areas where you don't want your iphone acting like a flashlight.
 

Shirasaki

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It is ridiculous, that looks stupid, what could you possibly benefit from having the top and bottom bars black when the webpage is all white! -_-"

The design is supposed to be that if the browser is white your in normal mode, if it's black you're in private mode.
Other than browsing, what about using other apps? If hey are dark when surrounding is dark, eyes strain will surely be mitigated.

I don't think "darkening" the entire page is impossible. Just force displaying the webpage with black background. Alright I am not a programmer.
 

KeanosMagicHat

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Omg, this is so whiny. My brother has a real eye condition, iritis, that requires him to wear sunglasses anytime the sun is out. If he doesn't complain about this, I think that others can do fine as well.

Why are you resorting to insults?

I'm sorry for your brother but you know absolutely nothing about my personal situation and that's the way it'll stay.

Going back to my original point, Dark Mode would be a toggle anyway so you can remain calm as you won't be forced to use it against your will.
 
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Mlrollin91

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Top tip: Maybe "dark mode" is not intended to be used in direct sunlight, but more useful in dark areas where you don't want your iphone acting like a flashlight.
So it would require an extra step from going to a dark environment to a bright one. Or vice versa. Because that is easy to use and simple. :rolleyes:
 

spinedoc77

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How the heck can someone not want dark mode? No one uses their phone at night? Or in the dark? No one has an angry wife next to them trying to sleep? Even dimming the screen as much as it will dim the white on off white is still VERY uncomfortable to the eyes. Dark mode can be done correctly, Android has done a decent job. But I think Microsoft are the leaders here, their high contrast mode is system wide, can be tweaked for colors and individual elements, and best of all doesn't invert graphics.

It always confuses me when people argue against a new feature, jeez if you don't want it then don't use it. But personally I think dark mode is crucial to my smartphone use and is definitely one of the factors which influences where I spend my money.

PS: I've used NightMode and Eclipse and they work just fine in the daytime. Dark mode on my Android and MS devices works just fine in the daytime as well, although the simple solution is just to toggle to daytime mode. The toggle can even be placed in the widget drawer or system pullup.
 
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C DM

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It is ridiculous, that looks stupid, what could you possibly benefit from having the top and bottom bars black when the webpage is all white! -_-"

The design is supposed to be that if the browser is white your in normal mode, if it's black you're in private mode.
Clearly it's all incorrect on all accounts (aside from someone's personal preferences, which certainly doesn't make anything impossible or change what it is for anyone else)--actually reading through the thread would be helpful.
 
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shawndc1

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I think dark mode will be great, i mean we've had the same UI since 2008, its only 2016 no need to add OPTIONS for those who want to switch it up right? It would like great on space grey. But im sure itll be a choice, easy as on/off
 

C DM

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I think dark mode will be great, i mean we've had the same UI since 2008, its only 2016 no need to add OPTIONS for those who want to switch it up right? It would like great on space grey. But im sure itll be a choice, easy as on/off
Pretty sure there were some changes to the UI a few years ago.
 

TurboPGT!

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im sick of seeing all these posts about dark mode, and I just don't understand how people think dark mode is even possible on iOS.

First of all, the new clock app is dark to match the Apple Watch App's counterparts, tvOS dark theme only darkens the menu, and OS X only darks the menu bar and dock, so what do you even expect from iOS??

Each apps, like Facebook, YouTube, Netflix has their own design for apps, they're not going to redesign a whole new interface for a dark mode. No API can simply just blacken everything.

Dark mode in safari? That's ridiculous when the only darken part is the top bar and the whole page is all white. (Because Most websites are white.)

simply put, iOS can't have a dark mode
Thank you.

Way more effort than it would be worth. And it would never, ever be 100%.
 

spinedoc77

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Thank you.

Way more effort than it would be worth. And it would never, ever be 100%.

Why not? Seems awfully shortsighted to say something like that. The way Microsoft does it, it is virtually 100% system wide and works virtually 100% IMO. Samsung does a great job with tons of dark themes to choose from, although not 100% it still does the job more than sufficiently IMO. I'm not sure what "effort" would be wasted, is it all the manpower that goes into reskinning icons every major OS release? Or maybe the manpower that goes into new Emoji's?
 
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TurboPGT!

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Why not? Seems awfully shortsighted to say something like that. The way Microsoft does it, it is virtually 100% system wide. Samsung does a great job with tons of dark themes to choose from, although not 100% it still does the job more than sufficiently IMO. I'm not sure what "effort" would be wasted, is it all the manpower that goes into reskinning icons every major OS release? Or maybe the manpower that goes into new Emoji's?

You cite 2 examples that are not 100% and then ask why it couldn't be 100%?
 

spinedoc77

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You cite 2 examples that are not 100% and then ask why it couldn't be 100%?

I know you are an intelligent human being and you aren't taking these ambiguous percentages as actually being accurate? The point being is that if a feature can be implemented where it works the vast majority of the time then it is worth considering, depending on consumer demand. Nothing works 100% perfectly. By that reasoning we should nix any feature that doesn't work "100%" of the time. Oh look the fingerprint sensor didn't recognize my print once out of a thousand times, quick get Apple on the horn to cancel this useless feature.
 
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C DM

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Thank you.

Way more effort than it would be worth. And it would never, ever be 100%.
It doesn't need to be 100%. Not would it really be that much effort, at least certainly not in comparison to the value it would add for many. Quite a bit of the thread demonstrates all of that fairly well.
 

TurboPGT!

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I know you are an intelligent human being and you aren't taking these ambiguous percentages as actually being accurate? The point being is that if a feature can be implemented where it works the vast majority of the time then it is worth considering, depending on consumer demand. Nothing works 100% perfectly. By that reasoning we should nix any feature that doesn't work "100%" of the time. Oh look the fingerprint sensor didn't recognize my print once out of a thousand times, quick get Apple on the horn to cancel this useless feature.

And I know that you are an intelligent human being, so you understand why is this isn't something gets rolled up into your "nothing is 100%" blanket.

Plenty of things that are core aspects of the OS are 100%.
100% of Apps on the Home Screen have rounded corners, for example.

The most Apple could do is make Dark Mode part of Auto Layout, which means all of their core Apps and any 3rd party apps that care to take advantage of it, would support it. By making it part of Auto Layout, it would at least have a jump start for support.

But again, it would be on an App by App basis and is not the kind of feature that would be well-received if not globally supported.
 

Mascots

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Apple has already implemented functionality for Dark Mode in iOS 10 along side the Trait system (which helps to determine and work with sizes and styles of views), but the actual working functionality is missing on iOS (however, is available in tvOS).

I'd like Apple to enable it before iOS 10 is released, since it's literally an extension of existing UIKit components and is partially implemented, and also so I don't have to implement these things myself. I think the biggest hold up is applying the makeover systemwide and they don't want to have those inconsistencies.
 

Mascots

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No it isn't. tvOS 10 has a dark or light home screen background. Not even remotely the same thing as what people here are talking about for iOS.

It may not be available for tvOS apps, but the UITraitCollection API calls are available internally and are being used by the system.

Edit: Actually, no, you are incorrect. UITraitCollection may be used by tvOS apps to determine if they should reflect the dark or light UI in tvOS. It says it in the What's new for tvOS and on the UITraitCollection documentation:

New User Interface Styles

tvOS 10 supports user switching between light and dark colored interface styles. The existing UIKit classes adapt their behavior to this style change. If you are implementing your own custom classes, you can use a new UITraitCollection type to adapt to the current interface style.
 
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