Enough with Dark Mode, it isn't possible!

[spinedoc77]

And I know that you are an intelligent human being, so you understand why is this isn't something gets rolled up into your "nothing is 100%" blanket.

Plenty of things that are core aspects of the OS are 100%.
100% of Apps on the Home Screen have rounded corners, for example.

The most Apple could do is make Dark Mode part of Auto Layout, which means all of their core Apps and any 3rd party apps that care to take advantage of it, would support it. By making it part of Auto Layout, it would at least have a jump start for support.

But again, it would be on an App by App basis and is not the kind of feature that would be well-received if not globally supported.

The 100% blanket isn't mine, it's your terminology and condition. 100% of apps have rounded corners because it's an Apple guideline that devs have to follow. Whether it is too much work to implement something like this needs to be tempered against consumer demand, but if implemented this way it should be just as 100% as rounded corners are. Or Apple could dictate an app has to have a dark mode/theme in order to be put in the marketplace, there are lots of apps which have dark themes which work well. Based on past experience with nightmode and eclipse it seems that even these guys can get it pretty darn close to perfect. I do understand your point that it needs to work every single time and don't necessarily disagree, but if Apple chooses they can make it happen.

 

[TurboPGT!]

The 100% blanket isn't mine, it's your terminology and condition. 100% of apps have rounded corners because it's an Apple guideline that devs have to follow. Whether it is too much work to implement something like this needs to be tempered against consumer demand, but if implemented this way it should be just as 100% as rounded corners are. Or Apple could dictate an app has to have a dark mode/theme in order to be put in the marketplace, there are lots of apps which have dark themes which work well. Based on past experience with nightmode and eclipse it seems that even these guys can get it pretty darn close to perfect. I do understand your point that it needs to work every single time and don't necessarily disagree, but if Apple chooses they can make it happen.

And to that point, THIS is not one of those things that is worth doing. Forcing devs to provide light and dark mode? You going to have dark mode in games?

Trust me, this is one you ought to leave alone. It's not happening, for an endless parade of reasons.

 

[spinedoc77]

And to that point, THIS is not one of those things that is worth doing. Forcing devs to provide light and dark mode? You going to have dark mode in games?

Trust me, this is one you ought to leave alone. It's not happening, for an endless parade of reasons.

Sorry, but I completely disagree. The blinding white of iOS is uncomfortable to use, it disrupts others and doesn't make sense in a dark environment. There is also a lot of demand for something like this. I also disagree that it's not happening. There are already inklings of it in the iOS10 beta. Although it may only be for the system and not for apps just yet, who knows. But at the very least if Apple made a system wide dark mode, menus, settings, etc that would go a long way towards addressing the problem. They could additionally make dark modes for their core apps, messaging, calendar, safari, etc.

 

[Mascots]

And to that point, THIS is not one of those things that is worth doing. Forcing devs to provide light and dark mode? You going to have dark mode in games?

Trust me, this is one you ought to leave alone. It's not happening, for an endless parade of reasons.

Will it happen before iOS 10 is released? Dunno, but it's going to happen and to argue not is a little nuts considering they're already implementing it on their end and have the system for handling it laid out. And a device in production running iOS that utilizes this existing system and makes it available for App developers.

It doesn't have to be supported in all apps, and certainly not games that don't want to do it. But apps and games that do make use will see better satisfaction. And as far as Apple with transitions in general, they don't care about abruptness: Apple was box lining apps when they changed the screen size, they were blurring apps when they changed the resolution, and even several of their own apps lack slide-over on iPad. But abrupt transitions force fast reactions and Apple already knows the developer communities momentum in that regard.

The gaps will be filled but there's not going to be improvement if the needle isn't pushed. Apple will not hesitate to push the needle regardless of anyones expense because it benefits the iOS platform.

 

[spinedoc77]

yep, sooner or later its coming. http://9to5mac.com/2016/06/20/jailb...e-activates-dark-mode-theme-for-settings-app/

 

[Ubuntu]

im sick of seeing all these posts about dark mode, and I just don't understand how people think dark mode is even possible on iOS.

First of all, the new clock app is dark to match the Apple Watch App's counterparts, tvOS dark theme only darkens the menu, and OS X only darks the menu bar and dock, so what do you even expect from iOS??

Each apps, like Facebook, YouTube, Netflix has their own design for apps, they're not going to redesign a whole new interface for a dark mode. No API can simply just blacken everything.

Dark mode in safari? That's ridiculous when the only darken part is the top bar and the whole page is all white. (Because Most websites are white.)

simply put, iOS can't have a dark mode

Actually, it's relatively simple. Apple could provide a series of default colours for each mode that the developer could override in their app. At run time the system would notify the app of whenever the mode changes. This means that Facebook et al could keep their brand colours and also still decide what particular shade of grey they'd like for the text, for example. I actually do this in one of my own apps - if it's simple enough for me to do it I'm pretty sure the smart people at Apple can do it.

 

[rugmankc]

I like dark mode for my eyes. So, I get apps like Fantastical when possible.

 

[KeanosMagicHat]

yep, sooner or later its coming. http://9to5mac.com/2016/06/20/jailb...e-activates-dark-mode-theme-for-settings-app/

That looks sooooo much better to me. If introduced I'll have this toggled on by default for sure.

 

[TurboPGT!]

Sorry, but I completely disagree. The blinding white of iOS is uncomfortable to use, it disrupts others and doesn't make sense in a dark environment. There is also a lot of demand for something like this. I also disagree that it's not happening. There are already inklings of it in the iOS10 beta. Although it may only be for the system and not for apps just yet, who knows. But at the very least if Apple made a system wide dark mode, menus, settings, etc that would go a long way towards addressing the problem. They could additionally make dark modes for their core apps, messaging, calendar, safari, etc.

You're still not answering the hard questions that make this a non-starter.
You're overloading me with hyperbole.

"The blinding white of iOS" -your opinion. I don't have a problem with it.
"There is a lot of demand" -again, your opinion. Based on what? A handful of the same people repeating themselves on forums? You shouldn't take that as any indication of anything. It's nothing. iOS 10 will be on hundreds of millions of devices. Let's just agree that you know positively nothing about the hypothetical demand for such a thing.
"There are already inklings of it in the iOS 10 beta" -there were inklings of it in iOS 9 and iOS 8 too. The fact that Apple has toyed with the possibility of darker themes for some of their Apps is not indicative of anything.

Apple is fully aware of the problems that I've listed before, and I'm sorry to tell you, they preclude the possibility of this becoming a thing. You must also be aware that Apple has an Accessibility feature, which inverts the colors of the entire display, which is effectively dark mode (since iOS is generally light). Most people don't consider this to be what they are looking for, even though it is the only way in which such a thing could ever be done globally.

 

[C DM]

You're still not answering the hard questions that make this a non-starter.
You're overloading me with hyperbole.

"The blinding white of iOS" -your opinion. I don't have a problem with it.
"There is a lot of demand" -again, your opinion. Based on what? A handful of the same people repeating themselves on forums? You shouldn't take that as any indication of anything. It's nothing. iOS 10 will be on hundreds of millions of devices. Let's just agree that you know positively nothing about the hypothetical demand for such a thing.
"There are already inklings of it in the iOS 10 beta" -there were inklings of it in iOS 9 and iOS 8 too. The fact that Apple has toyed with the possibility of darker themes for some of their Apps is not indicative of anything.

Apple is fully aware of the problems that I've listed before, and I'm sorry to tell you, they preclude the possibility of this becoming a thing. You must also be aware that Apple has an Accessibility feature, which inverts the colors of the entire display, which is effectively dark mode (since iOS is generally light). Most people don't consider this to be what they are looking for, even though it is the only way in which such a thing could ever be done globally.

Certainly not the only way to do it, but it is similar to how it can be done.

 

[danleon950410]

You're still not answering the hard questions that make this a non-starter.
You're overloading me with hyperbole.

"The blinding white of iOS" -your opinion. I don't have a problem with it.
"There is a lot of demand" -again, your opinion. Based on what? A handful of the same people repeating themselves on forums? You shouldn't take that as any indication of anything. It's nothing. iOS 10 will be on hundreds of millions of devices. Let's just agree that you know positively nothing about the hypothetical demand for such a thing.
"There are already inklings of it in the iOS 10 beta" -there were inklings of it in iOS 9 and iOS 8 too. The fact that Apple has toyed with the possibility of darker themes for some of their Apps is not indicative of anything.

Apple is fully aware of the problems that I've listed before, and I'm sorry to tell you, they preclude the possibility of this becoming a thing. You must also be aware that Apple has an Accessibility feature, which inverts the colors of the entire display, which is effectively dark mode (since iOS is generally light). Most people don't consider this to be what they are looking for, even though it is the only way in which such a thing could ever be done globally.

It's the fact that Apple KEEPS toying with the darker themes that matters in here.
You're outlooking EXISTING EVIDENCE of the Dark Mode just because you fail to understand how it could be implemented, ranting around your convenient claims while criticizing CDM's claims too. Werid, isn't it?

The thing is that you have no case at all unless you prove that the evidence in the code is fake. It's clearly progressing, possibly to be added on a 10.1 or 10.2 update just like Night Shift. And regarding how it would work, that's Apple's job not yours to figure out. But if it has been progressing through the scraps found on 8's and 9's code, don't you think that they have an idea?

Think about it. And stop telling the sun to stop shinning.

 

[TurboPGT!]

Certainly not the only way to do it, but it is similar to how it can be done.

I suppose, a similar thing that doesn't affect all elements the way Invert Colors does. But where to draw the line? The sheer complexity of 3rd party Apps precludes this from ever being perfect.
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It's the fact that Apple KEEPS toying with the darker themes that matters in here.
You're outlooking EXISTING EVIDENCE of the Dark Mode just because you fail to understand how it could be implemented, ranting around your convenient claims while criticizing CDM's claims too. Werid, isn't it?

The thing is that you have no case at all unless you prove that the evidence in the code is fake. It's clearly progressing, possibly to be added on a 10.1 or 10.2 update just like Night Shift. And regarding how it would work, that's Apple's job not yours to figure out. But if it has been progressing through the scraps found on 8's and 9's code, don't you think that they have an idea?

Think about it. And stop telling the sun to stop shinning.

Uh, you can go ahead and calm down.

Just because (clearly) you want this feature, doesn't mean its doable, doesn't mean it makes sense, doesn't mean its happening, doesn't mean there aren't a ton of unexplained hurdles.

Apple's job to figure out? It isn't hard to identify huge issues with this that Apple doesn't have a magic answer to.

I've seen what "evidence" has been touted. If you remember, the Watch app, which has only a dark theme, was also once upon a time "evidence" that Dark Mode was imminent. If you recall the old Podcasts App, which used to have a dark theme, was also once evidence that Dark Mode was imminent.
I'm not especially moved by this so called evidence. At least, not in the way you clearly are.

 

[C DM]

I suppose, a similar thing that doesn't affect all elements the way Invert Colors does. But where to draw the line? The sheer complexity of 3rd party Apps precludes this from ever being perfect.
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Uh, you can go ahead and calm down.

Just because (clearly) you want this feature, doesn't mean its doable, doesn't mean it makes sense, doesn't mean its happening, doesn't mean there aren't a ton of unexplained hurdles.

Apple's job to figure out? It isn't hard to identify huge issues with this that Apple doesn't have a magic answer to.

What is this magical "perfection" or "100%" that is being talked about? Seems like the underlying issue is misconception as to what something like dark mode would be and what to expect from it, and mostly it seems from those who don't even get dark mode or care about it. Seems like the most appropriate reply would be it's not as you try to make it out to be.

 

[TurboPGT!]

What is this magical "perfection" or "100%" that is being talked about? Seems like the underlying issue is misconception as to what something like dark mode would be and what to expect from it, and mostly it seems from those who don't even get dark mode or care about it. Seems like the most appropriate reply would be it's not as you try to make it out to be.

Do we not read in this forum anymore? I have explained, in this thread, why Dark Mode has major hurdles. It is spread out amongst several posts. If you're not going to read, then don't comment. Simple.

 

[C DM]

Do we not read in this forum anymore? I have explained, in this thread, why Dark Mode has major hurdles. It is spread out amongst several posts. If you're not going to read, then don't comment. Simple.

Funny, I was going to make a similar comment that a lot of this thread discusses what the dark mode could be like and what it would mean. Seems like that certainly gets ignored if someone wants to make it seem like it's unreasonable somehow (or "impossible" as the OP incorrectly tried to imply).

 

[TurboPGT!]

Funny, I was going to make a similar comment that a lot of this thread discusses what the dark mode could be like and what it would mean. Seems like that certainly gets ignored if someone wants to make it seem like it's unreasonable somehow (or "impossible" as the OP incorrectly tried to imply).

Nothing is getting ignored. There are two kinds of posts in this entire thread:
1) People explaining the problems that most likely prevent this from becoming a thing.
2) People that say **** all that, Apple should figure it out.

Really nice conversation.

 

[Shirasaki]

Add me. I also want a dark mode especially using phone at night.

Someone has no issue to it does not mean others have no issue to it as well. So simple.

Let's keep waiting until Apple actually releases a dark mode.

 

[C DM]

Nothing is getting ignored. There are two kinds of posts in this entire thread:
1) People explaining the problems that most likely prevent this from becoming a thing.
2) People that say **** all that, Apple should figure it out.

Really nice conversation.

If you conveniently ignore the rest of the discussion that shows #1 is nowhere as bad as some try to make it out to be (generally from misconceptions of what they think the dark mode would somehow need to be).

 

[TurboPGT!]

If you conveniently ignore the rest of the discussion that shows #1 is nowhere as bad as some try to make it out to be (generally from misconceptions of what they think the dark mode would somehow need to be).

Please show where anyone is this thread has refuted the points that I (and others) have made about why its problematic? It doesn't exist in this thread.

 

[C DM]

Please show where anyone is this thread has refuted the points that I (and others) have made about why its problematic? It doesn't exist in this thread.

Your idea of dark mode is not what it needs to be, as has been pointed out many times before. Therefore the issues you bring up are mostly non-issues as they aren't applicable to what a dark mode can be like. We keep on going in same circles over and over with the same things already said multiple times in the thread. Doesn't seem like it's getting us anywhere aside from discussing the same things again and again.

 

[SMIDG3T]

And to that point, THIS is not one of those things that is worth doing. Forcing devs to provide light and dark mode? You going to have dark mode in games?

Trust me, this is one you ought to leave alone. It's not happening, for an endless parade of reasons.

It's happening. It's "when" not "if". It's in the code for goodness sake.

 

[spinedoc77]

You're still not answering the hard questions that make this a non-starter.
You're overloading me with hyperbole.

"The blinding white of iOS" -your opinion. I don't have a problem with it.
"There is a lot of demand" -again, your opinion. Based on what? A handful of the same people repeating themselves on forums? You shouldn't take that as any indication of anything. It's nothing. iOS 10 will be on hundreds of millions of devices. Let's just agree that you know positively nothing about the hypothetical demand for such a thing.
"There are already inklings of it in the iOS 10 beta" -there were inklings of it in iOS 9 and iOS 8 too. The fact that Apple has toyed with the possibility of darker themes for some of their Apps is not indicative of anything.

Apple is fully aware of the problems that I've listed before, and I'm sorry to tell you, they preclude the possibility of this becoming a thing. You must also be aware that Apple has an Accessibility feature, which inverts the colors of the entire display, which is effectively dark mode (since iOS is generally light). Most people don't consider this to be what they are looking for, even though it is the only way in which such a thing could ever be done globally.

No hyperbole here, the white IS blinding at night or in the dark, in particular when the phone is first turned on and my eyes are not used to the brightness. It's also VERY bright in complete darkness, such as when I'm in bed and my wife is trying to sleep, let me tell her that's hyperbole. Try using the phone in the dark, a club, concert, movie, etc., yeah not happening. I also believe there is a lot of demand, but that's just my opinion from seeing so much written about it, having at least 2 or more jailbreak apps devoted to it, thousands of google search results, etc., but yes my opinion (because it's a forum, that's why). But I'm sure Apple does their homework and conducts market studies and such, probably the reason they ARE experimenting with a dark theme. Based on that let's just agree that you know positively nothing about the hypothetical demand for such a thing. (Or do you know for a fact that there is no demand for a dark theme? Ahh thought not).

Since you like sources, how are you certain that "they preclude the possibility of this becoming a thing"? Has Apple officially announced there will never be a dark mode? If they did I must have missed it. I'm well aware of the accessibility feature, it's awful. You keep crying about some of us saying that Apple has the ingenuity to make this work, yet Apple surprises us every year with its ingenuity, it would suck if they thought like you. Certainly Microsoft, Google, Samsung, etc don't think like that and all present viable dark themes/modes.

No one knows if Apple will ever produce a dark mode, but it's a certainty they are experimenting with it. To say it will never happen is very short sighted. It *may* never happen, but that's not definite, or 100% as you like.

 

[TurboPGT!]

You don't sound like a very nice person.

No matter, there are technical hurdles that guarantee this will never be a thing. I tried going into it, and you stuck your fingers in your ears and whined. We're done here.

 

[spinedoc77]

You don't sound like a very nice person.

No matter, there are technical hurdles that guarantee this will never be a thing. I tried going into it, and you stuck your fingers in your ears and whined. We're done here.

The whining was on your end, I was only trying to have a discussion. My apologies if I hurt your feelings. I still disagree that anything is "guaranteed" and am careful when speaking with absolute certainty about a subject. Especially one where Apple already has the dark theme in place and there do not seem to be any "technical hurdles".

 

[TurboPGT!]

there do not seem to be any "technical hurdles".

This is why we can't continue trying to have a conversation. This has been laid out for you, ad nauseam, and you ignore it, because you don't want to there to be hurdles. It's embarrassing, frankly. Fine. We're done.