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cezar.cretzu

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are you sure roaming works like this? my provider clearly states this can only be used within the country.
 

yass31

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are you sure roaming works like this? my provider clearly states this can only be used within the country.

Same thing here, Orange France only allows WiFi Calling within the country and not outside of it. So I don’t think this will work but I’ll try when I get the chance to travel
 

racostaf

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Same thing here, Orange France only allows WiFi Calling within the country and not outside of it. So I don’t think this will work but I’ll try when I get the chance to travel
Just to be clear: i'm not in muy country now and works...
 

yass31

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Just to be clear: i'm not in muy country now and works...
It depends on your provider, I’m not telling that it doesn’t work but it depends if the provider allows it or not.

I read a while ago that some US providers allow customers to make WiFi calling while outside the US, so they don’t pay roaming fees.
Some (In the US or elsewhere) won’t allow it because maybe they are greedy and want those fees

Edit : I forgot to add « for me » after « I don’t think this will work » in my first message, but it was implicit
 
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If you have data active on one line, and the other line doesn't have cellular service and the provider supports VoLTE, service will function using the active data on the other line. Essentially, it's like having Wi-Fi Calling, but it uses the data of one of the lines. Screenshot here: . There is no ability to force this. It will only happen when there is No Service on one line but service and data on the other line. Some people have reported you can force this by selecting manually a network you know your carrier doesn't allow (e.g. a competitor's) This also work while roaming: you can have one line with data, and have you secondary line use the data of the first line without incurring roaming charges. Tested with TELUS roaming in the US for data and Freedom Mobile line without roaming.

My dual sim (Verizon Physical sim, T-Mobile eSim) only has a single Data Roaming switch (Located under cellular data). Will being outside the US change so that each sim has a separate data roaming option?
 

yass31

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My dual sim (Verizon Physical sim, T-Mobile eSim) only has a single Data Roaming switch (Located under cellular data). Will being outside the US change so that each sim has a separate data roaming option?
From what I understood it’s not Data Roaming that has to be on but allow mobile data switching
 

IslesFan

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So maybe it should work, did you try doing what’s written (selecting another network with the T-Mobile sim) and while WiFi calling is on, with data on the Verizon sim ?
Yes that works.
My question is what is the step when traveling internationally, as I think T-Mobile roams on many carriers outside of the US(may not get one that T-mobile is barred from).
 

DeanL

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are you sure roaming works like this? my provider clearly states this can only be used within the country.
Before it worked with Wi-Fi connection and without roaming cost, now with this IOS function I don't need to be in Wi-Fi to make or receive calls
Same thing here, Orange France only allows WiFi Calling within the country and not outside of it. So I don’t think this will work but I’ll try when I get the chance to travel
Just to be clear: i'm not in muy country now and works...
It depends on your provider, I’m not telling that it doesn’t work but it depends if the provider allows it or not.

I read a while ago that some US providers allow customers to make WiFi calling while outside the US, so they don’t pay roaming fees.
Some (In the US or elsewhere) won’t allow it because maybe they are greedy and want those fees

Edit : I forgot to add « for me » after « I don’t think this will work » in my first message, but it was implicit

Like people have said, it depends on the carrier. For example TELUS in Canada doesn't allow Wi-Fi Calling outside Canada and so this trick does not work. But Rogers does allow Wi-Fi Calling outside Canada so it works.
 

yass31

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Let’s say you have :
1) eSIM for data and calls
2) SIM for calls only (without data) and no VoLTE
Both lines on the same cellular network (in my case one is for the country I’m living in and the other is in roaming so that’s why no VoLTE even if they are on the same network)

What consumes less battery, 4G/LTE for both lines (as the 4G chip is already enabled) or 4G/LTE for the eSIM and 2G for the SIM?
 

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Does anybody know if/when Apple are planning to enable different ringtones/sounds so we can differentiate an eSIM line’s calls/messages from the other (physical SIM) line? Would be very useful for people with separate work/private lines.
 

cezar.cretzu

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waiting the same. but would also be interested in seeing messages being marked differently somehow. now i have to open the message and do a few clicks to see on which number i got it.
 

sponch

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I got problems with dual sim, watch and iMessage.
Could u take a look at
 

djc6

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Some people have reported you can force this by selecting manually a network

Thanks for this tip! My family was traveling to Colombia for a couple weeks, and this tip was the key to getting our phones working.

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Prior to going, we moved our Verizon physical SIM on three phone (2x iPhone XS, 1x iPhone 11 Pro) to eSIM to free up physical SIM slot. The easiest way to do this is via Chat support on the website, the phone representatives for some reason wouldn't do it. We also enabled Wi-Fi calling PRIOR to leaving (can't do it once out of country). Once in Colombia got 3x SIM cards with provider Claro. I was only able to get the magic "VZW using Cellular Data" after I manually selected network of small MVNO "Avantel" on my Verizon eSIM! Not 100% sure why, but this was important.

NOTE: it initially took 1-2 minutes for eSIM to go from "No Service" to "VZW using Cellular Data". A couple times during trip the Verizon eSIM went back to "No Service" - switching airplane mode on/off woke it back up again.

I was able to Message iPhone users with my VZ number, make calls with my VZ number, etc.. while incurring ZERO roaming charges the entire trip on any of the three lines! Thanks!!
 
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rui no onna

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I was only able to get the magic "VZW using Cellular Data" after I manually selected network of small MVNO "Avantel" on my Verizon eSIM!
Question, how do you do this? My parents are traveling overseas and I need to teach them how to switch networks and stuff since I won't be there to help.
 

djc6

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Question, how do you do this? My parents are traveling overseas and I need to teach them how to switch networks and stuff since I won't be there to help.

I'm back in USA and in a Verizon service area, so these setting are no longer visible to me.

However, these are the steps I took: https://www.verizonwireless.com/support/knowledge-base-216198/

The goal seems to be to get the Verizon eSIM into a "No Service" state by picking a network it can't roam on - only then will it decide to connect via the other local SIM card provider. I'm not an expert and don't quite understand how this forces IMS (IP media subsystem) use - but this was my experience.

I put a more detailed summary here: https://www.howardforums.com/showth...-iOS-13-Dual-SIM-amp-IMS-(IP-Media-Subsystem)
 
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DeanL

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I'm not an expert and don't quite understand how this forces IMS (IP media subsystem) use - but this was my experience.

That's because that's exactly what Apple (not the carriers) intended. Apple intended that on a dual-SIM setup with both data plans available, if one goes out of coverage, the other one is still available by simulating Wi-Fi Calling through the data of the one available line.
Selecting a network unavailable manually only happens to trick the iPhone in thinking there is legitimately no coverage.
 
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