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Other Eye-strain while using iPhone X and up
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It's working great for me. I was expecting the font to be larger than on the iPhone SE 2016 which is what it replaced but turns out I just get more info on the screen, but it's not any bigger (at least not with the default settings). I'm OK with that.
Absolutely no issues with headaches. Unfortunately, I can't say the same for my 2020 M1 MBA which I have used probably < 24 hours total since I bought it 2 months ago.
I was a big fan of small phones and enjoy the size of the SE, but now I'm wishing they come up with a plus sized SE based on the 8 plus. Because of the headaches with the M1 MBA, I've been using the phone a lot more for content consumption.
I really like the home button. I also discovered that Android uses a soft home button with their full screen phones. I guess it wastes some space, but I think it's a lot better than swiping. So I hope Apple continues to offer phones with a home button.
Those of you who found the 8+ comfortable, what settings did you use for the display? I got a hold of one and I’ve been trying to use it instead of my 6S but it’s not as comfortable eye strain wise. It’s better than an OLED phone, but I keep going back to my 6S. I’d really like to replace the 6S 😂.
I am testing the s22 ultra right now, seems to be a bit better in comparison to the 13 and 13 pro but still gives headache and eyestrain. Did anyone manage to get used to the s22 ultra and do you have any tips for the settings? Resolution, refresh rate etc..
Why would it be better? It uses PWM too at 120 Hz. I even refrained from a good deal on the S22 (could have gotten it for the same price as an iPhone SE). It was not easy but I refuse to pay for eye problems.
No money from me until this is fixed. 💸
I can't buy another iPhone (especially not after holding the Galaxy Z Flip3 which was unexpectedly nice). iPhone SE is the most boring phone there is and iPhone 11 is too heavy (also dislikes FaceID). Trying to find an Android but it's difficult as I prioritize updates and there Samsung leads the league after Google Pixel. All better models run AMOLED.
Thinking of a Motorola but they seem to have PWM on some LCDs (G200) and also use AMOLED (the Edge line). They have cheap models but I want one that offers Ready For without PWM. Maybe upcoming G300? We'll see. Looking forward to trying this desktop feature.
In the meantime, I hope that Samsung makes sure to fix flicker-free phones and not just laptops.
Thinking of a Motorola but they seem to have PWM on some LCDs (G200) and also use AMOLED (the Edge line). They have cheap models but I want one that offers Ready For without PWM. Maybe upcoming G300? We'll see. Looking forward to trying this desktop feature.
In the meantime, I hope that Samsung makes sure to fix flicker-free phones and not just laptops.
It´s better because the flickering is pretty stable and they probably use other dithering algoritms in comparison to Apple
Did you try using it in Zoomed display mode? Surprised anyone would have eye strain on an 8+ w Zoom activated.
I currently use an 8+ zoomed and I can stare at the screen all day long, month after month without developing eye strain.
Interestingly, I have a regular 8 too (smaller size) and I definitely wouldn’t want to stare at that thing all day - that’s for sure.
Interestingly, I have a regular 8 too (smaller size) and I definitely wouldn’t want to stare at that thing all day - that’s for sure.
I do admittedly miss iPhone 13 Mini. That phone is a high-tech marvel and easily my favorite of this generation. It even reminds me of a unique form factor like the Galaxy Flip, without the flip of course.
It’s surprising to me that apparently millions of people can use it without issue whereas I can pick up on the flickering within seconds even at the slightly higher rate. Not sure what to do at this point other than continue waiting for a flicker-free OLED iPhone.
Hopefully by the time we get next-generation notch-free and flip iPhones this is fully resolved.
It’s surprising to me that apparently millions of people can use it without issue whereas I can pick up on the flickering within seconds even at the slightly higher rate. Not sure what to do at this point other than continue waiting for a flicker-free OLED iPhone.
Hopefully by the time we get next-generation notch-free and flip iPhones this is fully resolved.
I can try it. Why would zoomed be better than not? Right now I have it with True Tone disabled but everything else default. The 6S didn’t have True Tone so I figured that’s the most consistent settings.
The 6/6S/7/8 plus sized phones all did these things where they rendered at a @3x size larger than 1080p and then scaled it down to 1080p. The non plus phones didn’t do that.
EDIT: weirdly, zoomed mode is a little more comfortable. I guess it reduces the point size to the normal 4.7" screen "size" but blows it up onto the 5.5" screen.
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Started to develop red eyes and a dull ache behind my eyes since I got my 13 pro two weeks ago. Prior to that I’ve been using an X for the last 4 years without any issue.
I tried my 13 Pro for a few seconds the other day. I couldn’t even focus on text because everything was so flickery. It’s much worse than I remembered.
Honestly I felt the same way last time I went to an Apple Store. The flickering was even more apparent after not using an OLED for a while.
Yeah. I’ve been just on LCD the last few weeks. I haven’t even been using OLED on my Android phones recently. And I’m definitely steering clear the next few days. I just tested positive for Covid and the headaches are pretty intense. I’ve got it down to a dull roar now after taking aspirin and acetaminophen. I think this is my third go around with Covid and I’ve been vaxxed. You’d think I’d have some immunity but nope.
But all germs are impossible to avoid when you have kids in school and activities.Wish you all the best. How is your s22 utra still usable for you? I am curious on what setting you find it best usable?Yeah. I’ve been just on LCD the last few weeks. I haven’t even been using OLED on my Android phones recently. And I’m definitely steering clear the next few days. I just tested positive for Covid and the headaches are pretty intense. I’ve got it down to a dull roar now after taking aspirin and acetaminophen. I think this is my third go around with Covid and I’ve been vaxxed. You’d think I’d have some immunity but nope.
I have it turned up to max settings. So highest resolution and max 120 hz scrolling speed, but also variable refresh rate. Battery life takes a hit but it makes the display usable for me. When I tried 60hz fixed or any other resolution I had vague discomfort.
I can probably use it now but with these Covid headaches I’m taking it easy and not taking any chances. Thanks for the well wishes.
For what it’s worth Asus has a new laptop with a 14” OLED display that has a 120Hz refresh rate and a flicker-free setting that isn’t perfect:
I'm awaiting a cheap LCD screen replacement for the 13 Mini to come onto the market. https://www.repairworlddirect.co.uk/products/iphone-12-mini-glass-screen-and-lcd-oled-repair
How is the quality of an aftermarket LCD? It surprised me that companies were able to design these as far back as iPhone X. I assumed bezels were one of the reasons this wouldn’t work as even Apple had to design iPhone XR/11 with thicker bezels to accommodate a LCD display.
Btw - I see iPhone XR occasionally and that had a ridiculously vibrant display. Not bad, but again I’m still surprised there’s no real solution now that we only have flagship OLED iPhone’s.
I use high-dose omega 3, lower dose GLA omega 6, Celluvisc drops (as they are pretty thick), Bruder Mask + eyelid scrub/massage twice a day, HEPA filtration of the area I spend most my time in (using a PM2.5 meter as well to monitor air quality), increased humidity with distilled water, and when I wore contacts I minimized usage time.
The Bruder Mask + massage seems to be the big one for me as doing this greatly improved my tear film stability and got the glands working properly again.
I am not disagreeing with you, but I am offing my experience in the event it benefits others.
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In my case, glasses never fully corrected the astigmatism for me, as some images up close were still blurry in that right eye, likely complicated by the amblyopia. Contact toric lenses did a reasonably good job, but the MGD caused tear film instability, which resulted in the contact often shifting and not repositioning itself as a toric lens should (I think if I used an RGP lens or a sclera lens it probably would have been better, but I only ever personally used soft toric.) I probably made this worse by looking at my phone in bed up close after I removed my contacts and was not wearing glasses.
As of right now, post correction, text in that eye is now sharp as can be, so for me (at least so far) it has been a really good end outcome.
Actually, MGD is extremely common and often not properly treated (many eye doctors still misdiagnose it). When left untreated for a long enough time, the glands in your eyes shrink and eventually die. That can lead to all types of issues, and MGD and eye strain go hand-in-hand. That is partly a reason why I said "FWIW and IMHO, if PWM seems to be causing an issue, if you haven't already, it's definitely good to be sure there isn't something else at play (and something that might be very fixable, for that matter), whether it be eye issues or something else."
I am not saying that most people need an eye procedure, nor am I saying anyone else is in my exact situation. Further, I'm not disagreeing that OLED can cause issues, because my OLED devices absolutely did do this. But I am saying that, in my case, there was an underlying cause (symptoms of which were likely amplified by OLEDs for whatever reason), it was identified, and it was treated, and so, in my personal opinion and for what it is worth, it might be worth someone further investigating eye strain/headaches to ensure there isn't something that, A) needs treatment, and/or B) can be managed as opposed to assuming it is simply PWM and nothing else.
You're most welcome and I hope my experience helps! I have found that astigmatism, eyestrain, and headaches are definitely all interrelated, and it seems to be further exacerbated by dry eyes (which in and of themselves can further blur vision, which then makes digital eye strain worse in what I've found to be a nasty cycle given looking at a screen also causes less/poor blinking=dry eyes). In my case, I think the PWM (maybe also the brightness, or blue light, or a combination of things about OLED?) may have been the straw that broke the camel's back when everything was compiled together.
If it is of help, I really like the eye drops called Celluvisc. They are really thick and preservative-free, and last much longer than thinner drops. At night I've also used several of the preservative-free white petroleum + mineral oil ointments and find they help a lot (even though they are a bit messy). I've combined that with the use of a Bruder Mask and eyelid scrubs/massages to unblock the oil glands and tear ducts.
I do find it very interesting how all these different factors are often interrelated. I also have an autoimmune condition that is characterized by inflammation and I am guessing that probably made me more prone to the eye issues.