Other Eye-strain while using iPhone X and up

[The.Glorious.Son]

I see no reason to believe that Apple’s display team didn’t couple all the new innovations with the standard PWM rates we’ve come to expect.

There is a new brightness controller for the always-on display and up to 2000nits brightness, but no indication from the presentation that there will be any PWM changes. At least last year they advertised a new brightness controller and we got doubled rates on all but the Max.

There are bound to be variations year-over-year, but we’ve done this enough times now to know not to get excited.

Y’all need to just try the phones before acting like it’s already going to be the same situation. What scientific correlation can you tie to the brightness controller and doubled rates? They could be completely independent of one another.

I have never met an actual person in real life who suffers from PWM like I do. Not one. Apple has zero reason to say anything about it in an unveiling. Sad as it may be, we are in such a vast minority that it really doesn’t warrant addressing by a trillion dollar company. Even tech bloggers who’ve ran out of things to talk about the last 5 years don’t find a need to push the PWM issue.

Sorry for my rant but man, there’s only one way to know the answer. It’s not YouTube. It’s not Notebookcheck. It’s not fiddling 15 min with a display model. It’s getting the phone and using it like you do your current one. No more, no less (for those of us fortunate to live where availability and returns are not an issue).

 

[MICHAELSD]

Y’all need to just try the phones before acting like it’s already going to be the same situation. What scientific correlation can you tie to the brightness controller and doubled rates? They could be completely independent of one another.

I have never met an actual person in real life who suffers from PWM like I do. Not one. Apple has zero reason to say anything about it in an unveiling. Sad as it may be, we are in such a vast minority that it really doesn’t warrant addressing by a trillion dollar company. Even tech bloggers who’ve ran out of things to talk about the last 5 years don’t find a need to push the PWM issue.

Sorry for my rant but man, there’s only one way to know the answer. It’s not YouTube. It’s not Notebookcheck. It’s not fiddling 15 min with a display model. It’s getting the phone and using it like you do your current one. No more, no less (for those of us fortunate to live where availability and returns are not an issue).

I may still pre-order one to test, but I’m expecting more of the same where I purchase one and experience immediate sensitivity yet really don’t want to give it up despite the persistent tension headaches and ultimately do for my long-term health.

More users experience this to the point that I can have a conversation with some Apple Store employees about it and they’re aware of the issue. It’s surprising Apple still doesn’t have an Accessibility setting across all of its devices if they’re not going to solve it with an inherently flicker-free display.

I’m more hopelessly optimistic that since next year is a new design and generation we’ll get a more significant change.

 

[Proteinaceous]

Well, as of today, it looks like the only non-OLED phone in Apple's official lineup is the iPhone SE. I guess the refurb store is the only way to go if you want a non-home-button/XR/11-style LCD phone.

 

[MICHAELSD]

Well, as of today, it looks like the only non-OLED phone in Apple's official lineup is the iPhone SE. I guess the refurb store is the only way to go if you want a non-home-button/XR/11-style LCD phone.

I’m admittedly almost tempted to re-buy iPhone 13 Mini one last time since that phone gave me the least issues and I loved the form factor, but I’ll wait to see what happens with iPhone 14 Pro Max. Realistically, I was still getting persistent headaches with iPhone 13 Mini so the only real OLED solution would be if the iPhone 14 Pro lineup has some sort of flicker-free brightness level.

 

[happy orchard]

Well, as of today, it looks like the only non-OLED phone in Apple's official lineup is the iPhone SE. I guess the refurb store is the only way to go if you want a non-home-button/XR/11-style LCD phone.

Yeah, glad I traded in my 11 for a new 11 a couple weeks ago. Still going to try the 14PM, but glad I have a brand new 11 that I know works for me.

 

[happy orchard]

So this no-sim-card-tray thing bothers me.

I don't want to get a phone, pay an activation fee, be able to not use it, then have to pay to go back to my 11.

Question: can I get the new 14PM and just not activate it right away? Just use it on wifi for a bit to see what I think? ...I can do that, right?

 

[iCantSee]

So this no-sim-card-tray thing bothers me.

I don't want to get a phone, pay an activation fee, be able to not use it, then have to pay to go back to my 11.

Question: can I get the new 14PM and just not activate it right away? Just use it on wifi for a bit to see what I think? ...I can do that, right?

Don’t worry, I believe Motorola still has flip phones available.

 

[happy orchard]

Don’t worry, I believe Motorola still has flip phones available.

That was not helpful. Just mean-spirited.

 

[jimmy_uk]

Anyone hoping the "new" display engine is going to make the difference in the Pro models this year? 🤞

 

[Howyalikdemapls]

So this no-sim-card-tray thing bothers me.

I don't want to get a phone, pay an activation fee, be able to not use it, then have to pay to go back to my 11.

Question: can I get the new 14PM and just not activate it right away? Just use it on wifi for a bit to see what I think? ...I can do that, right?

Not sure but I’m very interested in this exact thing. I think my old physical SIM card gets bricked as soon as I activate the new E-SIM, ya? How difficult is it to go back? I really don’t want to have to wait in line at Verizon and pay for another physical SIM card if the new phone doesn’t work out for me.

 

[happy orchard]

Not sure but I’m very interested in this exact thing. I think my old physical SIM card gets bricked as soon as I activate the new E-SIM, ya? How difficult is it to go back? I really don’t want to have to wait in line at Verizon and pay for another physical SIM card if the new phone doesn’t work out for me

Crikey. We don't need that, do we. We're just trying to get a phone that we can use and not be punished for trying, right?

 

[iCantSee]

That was not helpful. Just mean-spirited.

Ha, sorry. Trust me, I am in the exact same boat.

 

[du57in]

With the iPhone 11 disappearing from the Apple Store today, I wonder what this means for the rumors saying the next SE will be iPhone XR based. Picking up an 11 (currently an SE2 user because of OLED) from the refurbished store might not be a bad idea.

 

[iCantSee]

On the Apple website it says “ProMotion technology with adaptive refresh rates up to 120HZ” for the new iPhone 14 Pro modes. Guess we are out of luck? That’s exact same as previous models right.

 

[MICHAELSD]

On the Apple website it says “ProMotion technology with adaptive refresh rates up to 120HZ” for the new iPhone 14 Pro modes. Guess we are out of luck? That’s exact same as previous models right.

ProMotion rates are separate from PWM. iPhone 14 Pro went up to 480Hz.

Purely unscientific, but the hands-on videos have me feeling slightly more optimistic since there’s no visible flicker. Although, the previous generation was better at appearing uniform on camera.

 

[MICHAELSD]

View attachment 2052637Anyone hoping the "new" display engine is going to make the difference in the Pro models this year? 🤞

I’m honestly feeling more hopeful. Good catch that they highlighted it.

 

[iCantSee]

ProMotion rates are separate from PWM. iPhone 14 Pro went up to 480Hz.

Purely unscientific, but the hands-on videos have me feeling slightly more optimistic since there’s no visible flicker. Although, the previous generation was better at appearing uniform on camera.

ProMotion rates are separate from PWM. iPhone 14 Pro went up to 480Hz.

Purely unscientific, but the hands-on videos have me feeling slightly more optimistic since there’s no visible flicker. Although, the previous generation was better at appearing uniform on camera.

Do you know the pwm rates of the iPhone X, iphone 12, 13 pro and 13 pro max?

Basically my issue started with the X which was completely terrible. I didn’t try another iPhone until the 13 pro Max which was also terrible. I have an iPhone 12 for work that I don’t use much, but that one seems more tolerable than the X or 13 pro max so I am wondering if the pwm rate is faster?

Thanks

 

[iCantSee]

Do you know the pwm rates of the iPhone X, iphone 12, 13 pro and 13 pro max?

Basically my issue started with the X which was completely terrible. I didn’t try another iPhone until the 13 pro Max which was also terrible. I have an iPhone 12 for work that I don’t use much, but that one seems more tolerable than the X or 13 pro max so I am wondering if the pwm rate is faster?

Thanks

Answered my own question: https://www.notebookcheck.net/PWM-Ranking-Notebooks-Smartphones-and-Tablets-with-PWM.163979.0.html

funny - guess the two phones I really tried have the lowest PWM. Maybe I should have tried an iPhone 13 pro instead of the pro max. anyway, let's see what the 14 brings.

 

[PurpleIsAFruit]

I read rumours LG might provide the screens for the new models instead of Samsung. Do we know if this has happened? LG screens are supposedly a lot better for PWM than Samsung ones.

My XR is still working relatively well. The battery isn’t good and it gets quite hot sometimes, but fundamentally it has the LCD screen. I want to upgrade to a new model but honestly feel like I’m without a choice? I tried the iPhone 13 Pro last year and it made me sick as a dog.

 

[iCantSee]

I read rumours LG might provide the screens for the new models instead of Samsung. Do we know if this has happened? LG screens are supposedly a lot better for PWM than Samsung ones.

My XR is still working relatively well. The battery isn’t good and it gets quite hot sometimes, but fundamentally it has the LCD screen. I want to upgrade to a new model but honestly feel like I’m without a choice? I tried the iPhone 13 Pro last year and it made me sick as a dog.

Haha I am in the exact same situation. I do feel like my XR is really slowing down now though and it feels old. Apparently there is a new SE model coming in April 2023 that will have an LCD screen, so may have to lift that one if the 14 is a no go. Bad option, but I guess better than nothing.

I read somewhere that Samsung is providing most of the panels but that two other provides are doing a small % of the supply. will try to find the article.

 

[jimmy_uk]

On the Apple website it says “ProMotion technology with adaptive refresh rates up to 120HZ” for the new iPhone 14 Pro modes. Guess we are out of luck? That’s exact same as previous models right.

Some people who have had issues with previous iPhones managed to be OK with various 13 models as the PWM frequencies did go up. It's been reported the displays from Samsung are their newest M12 material set to produce OLED panels with an LTPO backplane. Then there is the new display driver on the processor and software changes/additions for the always on display. PWM will still be present, this is certain, but these set of changes could just make the difference for even more people. 🤞

I suspect that until Apple ramp up the PWM frequencies into the thousands, some of us will continue to suffer.

 

[happy orchard]

ProMotion rates are separate from PWM. iPhone 14 Pro went up to 480Hz.

Purely unscientific, but the hands-on videos have me feeling slightly more optimistic since there’s no visible flicker. Although, the previous generation was better at appearing uniform on camera.

Can you share the hands-on videos that you're finding that are inspiring hope?

 

[iCantSee]

I read rumours LG might provide the screens for the new models instead of Samsung. Do we know if this has happened? LG screens are supposedly a lot better for PWM than Samsung ones.

My XR is still working relatively well. The battery isn’t good and it gets quite hot sometimes, but fundamentally it has the LCD screen. I want to upgrade to a new model but honestly feel like I’m without a choice? I tried the iPhone 13 Pro last year and it made me sick as a dog.

Samsung Display to apply different grades of materials on iPhone 14 OLED panels - THE ELEC, Korea Electronics Industry Media

Samsung Display will be applying different grades of materials on the OLED panels it will manufacture for the upcoming iPhone 14 series depending on the model tiers, TheElec has learned.It will use...

www.thelec.net

this article suggests 14 pro max display comes from LG

 

[happy orchard]

Samsung Display to apply different grades of materials on iPhone 14 OLED panels - THE ELEC, Korea Electronics Industry Media

Samsung Display will be applying different grades of materials on the OLED panels it will manufacture for the upcoming iPhone 14 series depending on the model tiers, TheElec has learned.It will use...

www.thelec.net

this article suggests 14 pro max display comes from LG

Your post was both helpful and kind-spirited! Thanks

Yes, from the article you linked, this part did sound promising:

Meanwhile, LG Display calls its OLED material set RS. It will be using the latest in the set called RS-L for the two models in the iPhone 14 series it will be supplying panels for __ the 6.1-inch standard iPhone 14 and 6.7-inch iPhone 14 Pro Max.

LG Display will be supplying LTPO TFT OLED panels for the first time to Cupertino for the iPhone 14 Pro Max model.

출처 : THE ELEC, Korea Electronics Industry Media(http://thelec.net)


🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻

 

[jimmy_uk]

Samsung Display to apply different grades of materials on iPhone 14 OLED panels - THE ELEC, Korea Electronics Industry Media

Samsung Display will be applying different grades of materials on the OLED panels it will manufacture for the upcoming iPhone 14 series depending on the model tiers, TheElec has learned.It will use...

www.thelec.net

this article suggests 14 pro max display comes from LG

It's a confusing read. It reads to me that Samsung and LG are supplying, so display lottery except for the 14 Pro which is just Samsung?

"Samsung Display will use its M11 material set for the standard 6.1-inch and 6.7-inch models in the iPhone 14 series."

"The two higher-tier models in the iPhone 14 series will use Samsung Display’s M12 material set."

"Meanwhile, LG Display calls its OLED material set RS. It will be using the latest in the set called RS-L for the two models in the iPhone 14 series it will be supplying panels for __ the 6.1-inch standard iPhone 14 and 6.7-inch iPhone 14 Pro Max."

"LG Display will be supplying LTPO TFT OLED panels for the first time to Cupertino for the iPhone 14 Pro Max model."