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Never had an issue with my AW 6 and I think they have very similar screens. I don't think it's as much of a problem on a watch as most of the time you're looking at it for relatively short periods of time.
Thought I'd give the Pixel 7 a try as it was on a good offer in the UK. Was a mistake took about 20 mins till I felt the eye strain starting.
Shame the iPhone SE 4 based on the XR got cancelled was holding out for that to replace my iPhone XR, but guess I'll have to keep it a while longer now.
Shame the iPhone SE 4 based on the XR got cancelled was holding out for that to replace my iPhone XR, but guess I'll have to keep it a while longer now.
Sometimes it is necessary to stop using one display and switch to another. But even then that is no guarantee your new phone will work for you, unfortunately.
@Roadstar Ive been using an S22 Ultra with no issues other than normal eye strain anyone would get using any device for too long. I’ve had a virus and been stuck in bed all week so I’ve been on my S22 Ultra a lot.
I’m sorry the new phone is giving you a hard time. I did notice I could not focus at all on the S22+ display at Best Buy. So I didn’t even try to contemplate an S23+.
I ordered 1 TB for the S23 Ultra. If this phone is compatible with my sensitivity I’m hanging onto it, just as I plan to hang onto my 14 Pro Max. My 14 Pro Max gives me problems but I can at least use its best functions for around an hour before I feel ill effects. That’s about the best I can hope for from Apple at this point.
Fortunately it's been much better now, maybe my eyes have adjusted to this display after the initial shock. It's not totally optimal, but this is something I can live with, at least for now.
I’ve made a recent discovery that is rocking my world so I’ve been going back down the research rabbit hole and now I’m more confused than ever.
Apparently, my Samsung LCD, which I have always liked and never had a problem with, has 120hz PWM. I filmed it in slow motion and it looks drastically different than videos of iPhones. There is a single slow moving dark bar, as opposed to the strobing effect on iPhone.
As I was reading about how RTings tests for PWM, I noticed an interesting quote from them saying multiples of 60 are better for PWM.
When you look at the frequency patterns for TVs with no PWM, they look very similar to the patterns for the iPhone 14 and 14 Plus on Notebook Check. According to Notebook Check, 14 Plus “must be using DC dimming,” due to the constant 59hz dimming. Yet the iPhone 14 with constant 60hz uses PWM as stated in their review. Videos of both the 14 and 14 Plus sure look like PWM.
So now I’m left with a ton of new unanswered questions. Is PWM at a multiple of 60, related to refresh rate, really better? Why doesn’t my TV bother me? Is PWM on LCD different than on OLED? Is the 14 Plus really DC dimming? Is the 14? If not, who can you even trust to analyze this stuff online?
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www.rtings.com
www.notebookcheck.net
www.notebookcheck.net
Apparently, my Samsung LCD, which I have always liked and never had a problem with, has 120hz PWM. I filmed it in slow motion and it looks drastically different than videos of iPhones. There is a single slow moving dark bar, as opposed to the strobing effect on iPhone.
As I was reading about how RTings tests for PWM, I noticed an interesting quote from them saying multiples of 60 are better for PWM.
When you look at the frequency patterns for TVs with no PWM, they look very similar to the patterns for the iPhone 14 and 14 Plus on Notebook Check. According to Notebook Check, 14 Plus “must be using DC dimming,” due to the constant 59hz dimming. Yet the iPhone 14 with constant 60hz uses PWM as stated in their review. Videos of both the 14 and 14 Plus sure look like PWM.
So now I’m left with a ton of new unanswered questions. Is PWM at a multiple of 60, related to refresh rate, really better? Why doesn’t my TV bother me? Is PWM on LCD different than on OLED? Is the 14 Plus really DC dimming? Is the 14? If not, who can you even trust to analyze this stuff online?
References
Image Flicker Of TVs: Black Frame Insertion
Image flicker is when each frame is only displayed for a short time, with black frames inserted between. Flickering the image displayed on a TV influences how clear movement appears to be when tracked across the screen.
www.rtings.com
Apple iPhone 14 Plus smartphone review - Better than the iPhone 14 with a bigger display?
The Apple iPhone 14 Plus is a 6.7-inch smartphone with iOS 16 and an OLED display with a resolution of 2778 x 1284 pixels. Apple uses the A15 Bionic SoC combined with 6 GB of RAM and up to 512 GB NVMe storage. The waterproof Apple smartphone also includes a 12-MP dual camera, emergency SOS, the...
Apple iPhone 14 smartphone review - Small upgrades for the Apple phone
The Apple iPhone 14 is a 6.1-inch smartphone, which comes with iOS 16 and an OLED display with 2532 x 1170 pixels. It uses the Apple A15 Bionic, supported by 6 GB of RAM and up to 512 GB of NVMe storage. Other features of the waterproof Apple smartphone include a dual camera with 12 MP...
I wish I knew. I’m confused about all that is going on. I have found I just don’t know until I try. Sometimes even the same model will have different screen chew (<<typo alert!!) characteristics that can impact my comfort level.I’ve made a recent discovery that is rocking my world so I’ve been going back down the research rabbit hole and now I’m more confused than ever.
Apparently, my Samsung LCD, which I have always liked and never had a problem with, has 120hz PWM. I filmed it in slow motion and it looks drastically different than videos of iPhones. There is a single slow moving dark bar, as opposed to the strobing effect on iPhone.
As I was reading about how RTings tests for PWM, I noticed an interesting quote from them saying multiples of 60 are better for PWM.
When you look at the frequency patterns for TVs with no PWM, they look very similar to the patterns for the iPhone 14 and 14 Plus on Notebook Check. According to Notebook Check, 14 Plus “must be using DC dimming,” due to the constant 59hz dimming. Yet the iPhone 14 with constant 60hz uses PWM as stated in their review. Videos of both the 14 and 14 Plus sure look like PWM.
So now I’m left with a ton of new unanswered questions. Is PWM at a multiple of 60, related to refresh rate, really better? Why doesn’t my TV bother me? Is PWM on LCD different than on OLED? Is the 14 Plus really DC dimming? Is the 14? If not, who can you even trust to analyze this stuff online?
References
Image Flicker Of TVs: Black Frame Insertion
Image flicker is when each frame is only displayed for a short time, with black frames inserted between. Flickering the image displayed on a TV influences how clear movement appears to be when tracked across the screen.Apple iPhone 14 Plus smartphone review - Better than the iPhone 14 with a bigger display?
The Apple iPhone 14 Plus is a 6.7-inch smartphone with iOS 16 and an OLED display with a resolution of 2778 x 1284 pixels. Apple uses the A15 Bionic SoC combined with 6 GB of RAM and up to 512 GB NVMe storage. The waterproof Apple smartphone also includes a 12-MP dual camera, emergency SOS, the...Apple iPhone 14 smartphone review - Small upgrades for the Apple phone
The Apple iPhone 14 is a 6.1-inch smartphone, which comes with iOS 16 and an OLED display with 2532 x 1170 pixels. It uses the Apple A15 Bionic, supported by 6 GB of RAM and up to 512 GB of NVMe storage. Other features of the waterproof Apple smartphone include a dual camera with 12 MP...
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There should be some forum award that goes to the longest running thread that isn’t pinned. 😎
always a pleasure to pop in and see what’s the latest. Hope y’all have found some peace.
I have a little one flash dot in my vision every once in a while. On OLED for about 1-2 years now. Sweet! 😆
always a pleasure to pop in and see what’s the latest. Hope y’all have found some peace.
I have a little one flash dot in my vision every once in a while. On OLED for about 1-2 years now. Sweet! 😆
Curious how the 13 pro goes for you. I had the 13 mini, and the 14 pro is much better for me. Much much better. No dry eye feeling like I had with 13 mini.
I lean towards you got used to it. That’s how I felt with the 13 mini.
You say software updated the PWM?
That the 14 has 60hz PWM / DC dimming implemented is new for me. I think Notebookcheck changed this as i remember another rate a few months ago when i was looking into this.
Curious to test the 14 again now
Curious to test the 14 again now
Sadly the iPhone 13 was no good for me either. It's going back on eBay. It was more tolerable than the iPhone 14 range for example but the relatively small improvements over the 11's camera meant it just wasn't worth it for me.
Those 14 reviews are all over the place. They say the 14 Plus “very likely uses DC dimming to control its display brightness” because of the constant 59hz. Then the graphic says PWM detected.
Meanwhile, the 14 review says sensitive users should be cautious because of the constant 60hz. No mention of DC dimming.
Then there’s videos like these that clearly show PWM:
This is the least fun “party” I’ve ever joined but after spending months deciding what to upgrade my XR to, and going for a 14 in the end, I think I’m PWM sensitive and I’m gutted!
I bought a refurbished iPad Pro 11" M1 at the weekend and have now returned it. Despite being reported that it doesn't use PWM I feel like it wrecked my eyes like the OLED iPhones. The sides of my eyes were stinging and straining which led to a headache. So if there is no PWM it has to be the type of screen/dithering/and or a weird sensitivity to 120hz refresh (which my eyes/brain always struggles to enjoy)?!
Still happy with the iPhone 11 though so at least I'm still a foot in the Apple camp. Think I will go Macbook Air M2 next.
The problem I have now is the staff in my local Apple store recognise me for returning items........
Still happy with the iPhone 11 though so at least I'm still a foot in the Apple camp. Think I will go Macbook Air M2 next.
The problem I have now is the staff in my local Apple store recognise me for returning items........
Haha. The UPS guy has me on first name terms now. I'm expecting him to ask me if I want to go for a beer sometime.
Did you try locking refresh rate in accessibility to 60hz or less?
Also, why not an Air 5?
I didn't try 60hz because I now have a zero-tolerance attitude after all these years of eye strain. I've tried too many workarounds and suffered enough headaches - if I feel my eyes straining or stinging the device gets rejected.
Didn't go Air 5 because I wanted the quad speakers and ProMotion display + the refurb price for the Pro M1 is cheaper than a new Air 5. Jelly scroll is now very apparent to me on iPads and the ProMotion display helps reduce it although I can still see it on Pro iPads.
It's fine, I gave up on iPads years ago and I guess they're not coming back for me. A laptop is a better bet long term IF I can use the screen on the M2 Air.
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Well I don't have the Ultra but the S23+, and while I did report having a rough start with this one, it seems like I've fully adjusted to using this phone now. I don't notice any symptoms even when using the phone a bit more and it's now more or less the same as my previous S22+ was before the upgrade.
I did and it was a complete disaster. After just two days I ended up with unrelenting eye pain and migraine headache. At first it was tricky because a neighbor was burning leaves and the smoke got to me. But after that it became very obvious the display was the issue. Any other kind of headache I get always responds to aspirin or Tylenol. I was downing both in combination yesterday and it did nothing to kill the pain.
The display didn’t even look aesthetically pleasing and was visibly inferior to my S22 Ultra display. There was an off axis color shift trending towards a teal blue color. All OLEDs have at least a small amount of color shift but my S22 Ultra and my 14 Pro Max have just a very slight off axis shift. It’s barely noticeable really.
Not so with the S23 Ultra display I got. It looked as bad as that of the infamous Pixel 2XL panel made by LG a few years ago.
Also, where the screen should look solid white there was a very faint pearlescent look. I think this was something akin to a pwm shimmer.
I also was able to check out my husband’s S23 Ultra display which was slightly better than mine but also displayed the same characteristics.
Also at the same settings the new displays looked less bright and crisp and less clear. Like there was a faint smoky film over them.
When viewed alone it’s not so bad. But my S22 Ultra display has spoiled me. I know what comfort is thanks to that display. The new one is the opposite.
And guess what, there’s a reason for that:
Galaxy S23 series uses a new AMOLED display to further improve battery savings
Samsung’s Galaxy S23 series officially launches later this week, but one thing we’ve noticed in our early time with it...
9to5google.com
In an effort to improve battery life which was the Achilles heel of the S22 Ultra they did something to make it more like an iPhone display. I’m starting to develop a deep burning resentment for Apple and its influence on the industry. From losing headphone jacks, to this and maybe the SIM card slot goes next.
I did and it was a complete disaster. After just two days I ended up with unrelenting eye pain and migraine headache. At first it was tricky because a neighbor was burning leaves and the smoke got to me. But after that it became very obvious the display was the issue. Any other kind of headache I get always responds to aspirin or Tylenol. I was downing both in combination yesterday and it did nothing to kill the pain.
The display didn’t even look aesthetically pleasing and was visibly inferior to my S22 Ultra display. There was an off axis color shift trending towards a teal blue color. All OLEDs have at least a small amount of color shift but my S22 Ultra and my 14 Pro Max have just a very slight off axis shift. It’s barely noticeable really.
Not so with the S23 Ultra display I got. It looked as bad as that of the infamous Pixel 2XL panel made by LG a few years ago.
Also, where the screen should look solid white there was a very faint pearlescent look. I think this was something akin to a pwm shimmer.
I also was able to check out my husband’s S23 Ultra display which was slightly better than mine but also displayed the same characteristics.
Also at the same settings the new displays looked less bright and crisp and less clear. Like there was a faint smoky film over them.
When viewed alone it’s not so bad. But my S22 Ultra display has spoiled me. I know what comfort is thanks to that display. The new one is the opposite.
And guess what, there’s a reason for that:
Galaxy S23 series uses a new AMOLED display to further improve battery savings
Samsung’s Galaxy S23 series officially launches later this week, but one thing we’ve noticed in our early time with it...
In an effort to improve battery life which was the Achilles heel of the S22 Ultra they did something to make it more like an iPhone display. I’m starting to develop a deep burning resentment for Apple and its influence on the industry. From losing headphone jacks, to this and maybe the SIM card slot goes next.
It is indeed really annoying that both Apple and Samsung don't seem to care about eye health while they are among only manufacturers among Google with its Pixel line that actually care about security on the software level. There are multiple Chinese companies that are trying to mitigate the harmful effects of PWM, but unfortunately most of them are also lazy to offer monthly security updates and/or apply really sketchy customizations to their flavor of Android. So we'll have to make a choice of having a peace of mind on the software level while our eyes burn or using a eye-friendly display with an OS where you don't dare to input any important data. Why can't we have both?
